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Am I being unreasonable?

34 replies

Carparknas · 21/08/2021 20:51

Exclusively together since January, seeing each other since November. Both mid/late 30s. From day one both said we were looking for something serious and wanted marriage ultimately.

We’ve slowly gone from one day/night a week to up to 3 nights a week together. We live far enough apart for one night to be ok but a bit of a trek. But more than that it’s that one night a week just doesn’t progress a relationship into a more serious realm as we both said we wanted.

Anyway… said we love each other. The issue is that most weeks we have a big discussion about which nights we can do. Im pretty much always flexible as I can work from home or his place, which I’ve done plenty of times. He is very difficult (in my view) about committing to 3 nights a week even when I leave it to him to say when is best around his work. This has started to frustrate me as sometimes we only have a night together as things just aren’t organised and I’m left thinking at this age what are we doing spending less than 24 hours together a week if we both want something serious?

I’ve raised it with him directly and he just says work is unpredictable for him and he likes to ensure i stay on nights he is likely to be home at a reasonable time. I’ve explained that I would rather we just saw each other at some point in the week than didn’t, even if that means a late evening together. I’ve also made the point that if we cant be around each other after a long day then it is going to be impossible to progress things as real life is long days at work unless we have an exclusively weekend based relationship.

So here we are again with him being ‘unable’ to commit to a few nights together next week. He’s said he will look at his work timetable and calendar and get back to me. We’ve spoken and text and so far no mention from him of having done this.

When (and if!) he brings up us next spending a night together, I intend to say that I’m happy to do that it I’m staying for a few nights (ie 2 or 3), but if he can’t commit to that then we are essentially dating as opposed to pursuing a developing relationship, in which case he can come to me one evening and we will get dinner and then both go home. I’m getting fed up of driving over for short periods and not feeling like things are developing. If he doesn’t want that and just wants me one night a week then it should be a date and he can start coming to me a bit and going out properly for the evening.

Is this fair of me to do this? Is it a reasonable perspective? I don’t want to be a dick to him but I am getting sick of being patient and carefully explaining to him that me driving over for a night and just relaxing at his is a long way for one evening and isn’t really a big investment for each other nearly a year down the line for two people mid/late 30s. I feel I need to take this action otherwise he will carry on being vague.

If he wants one night a week dates then let’s do that but he can start picking up the driving and we can swap a cosy night in for a formal date?! I don’t think he does any of this maliciously and we often do spend a few nights together but it’s always at my suggestion and always when I’ve explained why it’s a long way to go to him for a night and doesn’t equal a developing relationship…

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DifficultPifcultLemonDifficult · 21/08/2021 21:01

Neither of you are wrong.

Hes happy with one night a week, you want more.

It sounds like you may want different things from this, or certainly you want a different pace to the relationship.

Committing to 3 nights every week together after 8 months sounds stifling to me, others would be moved in together by then.

It sounds like you may just be on different pages.

HazyDaisy123456 · 21/08/2021 21:02

I think I would maybe be a bit more unavailable. Don’t reply to his texts right away or pick up the phone right away if he contacts let him spend a bit of time wondering what your up to see if that changes the dynamics.

Maybe he is genuine or maybe he is less committed than you to the relationship.

Carparknas · 21/08/2021 21:18

I just feel this approach is fair - he said he wanted a committed relationship and still says that… one night a week is not committed in the sense of progressing to potential marriage. If he wants to date me rather than have a progressing relationship then I now feel he should start coming to me more and formally going out for a date. Maybe that’s a funny way to approach it I’m not sure.

@HazyDaisy123456 I’ve done that this week…started to feel like an idiot driving things myself so have left it all open to him now and made other plans

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litterbird · 21/08/2021 21:19

It sounds like you’ve made your feelings and wants very clear with your level of communication that has gone on. I would personally now take a step back and see if he steps up to your commitment level. I don’t believe he is being malicious in any way just more focused on his work than pushing forward with a relationship. Think it’s just a case of both of you working at a very different pace. See what happens if you step back for a good while.

sunnyzweibrucken · 21/08/2021 21:23

Like a pp said, neither of you are wrong. I think 3 nights a week with less than a year dating is suffocating. 1-2 nights sounds about right. And I never really wanted anyone hanging out on a weekday because after work I’m pooped and just want to wind down and get ready for the next day. If someone was over I feel like I have to be on and if we are just sitting around doing nothing then we are really spending any quality time together so it’s not progressing things anyway.

I preferred weekends because then you are actually doing something together instead of just hanging out a few hours before going to sleep.

sunnyzweibrucken · 21/08/2021 21:25

*then we are NOT really spending quality

SoundBar · 21/08/2021 21:34

Why are you going to his? Let him come to you if he wants to see you from now on. Don't announce it or do a big flounce or whatever. Next time he tries to get you to go over, just say "oh I can't come to yours, it's not convenient for me." Light and breezy. Let the silence speak for itself. Don't tell him to come to yours instead. Let him figure it out on his own.

You will very soon know if he actually wants to be with you or not. If not - his loss, next!

cookingisoverrated · 21/08/2021 21:35

I'd take a big step back. You shouldn't be doing all the running, which you are, and you shouldn't be the one doing all the scheduling for both of you, which you are.

He has no motivation to change if he wants to move the relationship forward with you; he's still getting you to come to him once a week and you're chasing him to see if he wants you to come even more. That needs to stop.

MiniTheMinx · 21/08/2021 21:36

Sounds like trying to nail jelly to a wall.

Are you sure he is as committed to this as you? I can only speak for myself, but I'd hate to have to beg a man to spend time with me. Maybe make yourself less available, and make no mention of meeting up. Step back and see what happens.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 21/08/2021 21:38

By doing all of the driving to him and flexing your schedule around his, you are making things FAR too easy for him.

You might benefit from a read of this book. Why Men Marry Bitches - the title put me off for years but it's basically how not to be a doormat. Men and women generally don't value things that are easily attained. Having to make an effort to get something - whether that's a job, a relationship or a sports trophy - makes that thing more valuable.

Making him do more of the running will not only make a relationship with you more valuable in his mind, but it is also more than reasonable and fair. Why should you carry all the expense and effort of travel?

Theunamedcat · 21/08/2021 21:39

Step back be busy

mamas12 · 21/08/2021 21:39

Could you suggest that you stay at his every Thursday to Sunday. One what may and see how that goes then you both can see how you take to the mundane and late nights and also
Have the time alone?

Carparknas · 21/08/2021 21:41

He has always said he’s committed. I tend to go to his as I have flexible working so just it’s simpler if he ends up working late. I can also work from anywhere.

He has instigated meeting etc but I don’t want to be late 30s seeing someone once a week. He’s 40 next week and I can’t help thinking someone committed would want to step it up. I agree I’ve done most of the running so made it very easy for him, wasn’t intentional, just was easy for me to do that but has clearly given the impression he doesn’t need to make much effort

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Carparknas · 21/08/2021 21:42

@mamas12 yes I would love to do that. He would say it depends on the week as some weeks he may work late on a Thursday for instance

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OzziesBat · 21/08/2021 21:49

@Carparknas What does he do for a job? Some professions genuinely are unpredictable so maybe if you do something different you might need to be understanding. I sympathise with you though, sounds like running to standstill.

MiniTheMinx · 21/08/2021 21:50

You could suggest Thurs to Sunday, but I wonder if the response from him would actually just make you feel worse. How would you feel if he says no. I think most women would feel a bit rejected.

That's the thing that puzzles me. When you are chasing him to spend time with you and he doesn't why do you keep chasing? Why is this not having an any effect on how you feel about yourself? are you either very tough skinned or are you just so nice and amenable that you let people repeatedly take you for granted?

FlowerArranger · 21/08/2021 21:51

He has always said he’s committed

Words are cheap, @Carparknas... I fear he is not as into you as you are into him!

You need to cool it. Take a big step back and see if he can be bothered to do a similar amount of running as you've been doing.

mamas12 · 21/08/2021 21:54

Well that’s the point
If he’s working late on a Thursday so be it
If it was me I would press him now and suggest a trial run of three months of Thursday to Sunday come what may and then decide how it went for you both
Or
Stop chasing him and let him come to you

Carparknas · 21/08/2021 21:54

@MiniTheMinx because he always presents it as if he’s trying his best and it’s just difficult for him. It’s only recently I’ve started to feel enough is enough

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BringOnTheOtherWorlders · 21/08/2021 21:55

You're doing all the work. What happens if you stop holding up the relationship? Are you afraid he will fade away? If so, this isn't a real relationship.

BringOnTheOtherWorlders · 21/08/2021 21:56

Oh, and the Why Men Love Bitches book is eye-opening. Loved it.

RosieLeaLovesTea · 21/08/2021 21:59

Can you just agree the set nights to stay that are the same every week if he is not so great at thinking ahead and planning. If he has to work late he has to work late. It’s accepted. But you’ll feel more in his life as a partner rather than casual girlfriend.

MiniTheMinx · 21/08/2021 22:00

Carparknas ah, ok I see. I still think you need to step back. You've communicated clearly that you are understanding, adaptable and flexible, but also how much you value time with him. Its only difficult because he's making it difficult. You have said you will spend quiet time, will respect his hrs and him returning late. You can't do anymore. Its up to him.

If he does love you he will make time rather than face a future without you in it. Let this thought form in his head and see what happens. No talking, no warning......just make yourself less available, and fail to chase him up.

MiniTheMinx · 21/08/2021 22:05

Can I just ask, is this making you feel sad and frustrated that it isn't becoming the relationship you want or is this making you feel rejected or unwanted? I'm trying to understand better because I think it might effect how you should proceed.

Carparknas · 21/08/2021 22:07

@MiniTheMinx more frustrated we are so happy together yet he wants to keep me at arms length a lot of the time! We are late 30s, he’s nearly 40 and said he was keen to settle down

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