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What happened? DH weird behaviour.

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OrangeSmorange · 16/08/2021 20:47

I need advice on what to make of a situation that occurred yesterday as I feel weird about it but I’m not sure if I’m overreacting in my head or under playing it, or maybe it’s a non-issue. I just don’t know.

The background: Over the last few days there have been lots of arguments with my BIL and his gf due to their unreasonable behaviour towards mainly me but also, to some extent, my dh. I am already nc with my FIL due to his abusive treatment of me (it’s not just me…he treats everyone in the family appallingly). My BIL is very similar to my FIL and seems threatened by women and doesn’t like it when the women, particularly “outsider” women stand up for themselves against the men in their family. Anyway, for the last year or so, him and his girlfriend have been treating me increasingly badly and I decided to try and nip it in the bud with them and clear the air. As you can imagine it went badly and I was repeatedly told how awful I am and that I only think of myself and I make everything about me. My dh and I were baffled at this accusation as it doesn’t sound like a description of me at all, if anything I take on too much so as not to burden other people or to help people out. We asked for examples and they could give only one example which was a time when they’d asked me to do something (strenuous and demanding) whilst heavily pregnant that I’d declined to do, and apparently that made me selfish and only think of myself. Anyway, the whole conversation ended with them screaming abuse at me, me shouting back and crying. I told my dh that I can’t be around people anymore who insist on treating me like this and said that once the dust had settled and I’d thought about the whole thing with a clear head that I may decide to go nc or lc with them. He agreed with me and said he would support whatever choice I made.

So last night, he asked how I was feeling and I said that I was feeling upset and anxious about being around them again after how they had behaved towards me and that I thought it was best for me if I cut contact with them, at least for the time being. He made a sharp toned comment to me along the lines of “oh you’re cutting more of my family out” and as he’s always been so supportive about my going nc with his father because he’s seen firsthand how upset I’ve been from his comments and actions against me, I was shocked at dh’s tone and said “excuse me?”. He then backed down and softened his tone and said he supported me and that I had to do whatever made me happy. We spoke about everything that had happened and he seemed cold towards me and I ended up getting really upset, crying and shaking and told him that I felt like his family were breaking me down bit by bit and I was losing myself being around them and I can’t go on like this anymore (it’s been 16 years). He hugged me and said that he loved me and he couldn’t bear seeing me like this anymore and suggested I see a therapist or counsellor to work through my issues, which I agree with.

The issue: we went up to bed and as soon as we got in the bedroom he hugged me and told me he loved me and he didn’t want anyone to hurt me anymore and he would support me anyway he could. We hugged for about 5 minutes and then he kind of turned me around so my back was to him and said he felt really horny and that me making him angry must have caused it??! At no point during our conversation had he seemed angry so I felt confused. And then he grabbed me roughly by the back of my neck and shoved me face down onto the bed and held me down forcefully and rubbed himself against me. I asked him to let me up and he did and then he grabbed my breasts really tightly and squeezed them until they hurt. Again, I asked him to stop because it was hurting me, and he did, but then tried to get me to put my hand down his trousers before putting his hand on my head to force me down to his crotch. At that point our toddler started crying in his bedroom and dh let me go.

By the time I went back into the bedroom he was asleep. I’ve not mentioned anything to him since because I can’t work out what the hell was going on. On the one hand I’m thinking maybe it was just the heightened emotions of the last few days coming out in him. On the other hand, it felt like he was trying to dominate me or punish me. Or maybe it was nothing and I’m making a mountain out of a molehill. I’m so confused.

In 16 years together he has never been anything but respectful when we’ve had sex. He’s never pressurised me into doing anything I didn’t want to do. He’s listened to me when I’ve told him there are certain things I won’t do and he’s never once asked me to do anything he knows I wasn’t comfortable with. It seems so out of character of him. We haven’t had sex in a long time due to a whole host of issues involving toddlers that don’t sleep properly, his working hours, building work on our house meaning we lived separately for a number of months, his tiredness etc. So I’m wondering if he’s been watching porn and that has influenced this. I need outsiders to tell me what to make of this behaviour because I can’t think straight at the moment.

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cakecakecheese · 16/08/2021 21:10

He sexually assaulted you. Don't excuse or minimise what he did. Honestly you really shouldn't stay with someone like that, imagine if your child hadn't cried, it could have got worse.

DismantledKing · 16/08/2021 21:15

He sexually assaulted you while he was angry. He’s a nasty twat, and that’d be it for me. The apple obviously didn’t fall far from the tree.

SpecialchildSupermum · 16/08/2021 21:37

Omg I’m so sorry about what has happened to you. Please seek help ASAP as this is very unacceptable behaviour from your dh! I’m sure more people will be along with good advice OP Flowers

OrangeSmorange · 16/08/2021 22:14

Thank you for your replies. I'm sat in tears silently crying because I feel sick reading what you've all written. I thought I was making it into a bigger deal than it really was. My judgement is obviously completely screwed up.

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LemonPeonies · 16/08/2021 22:22

Sounds like the kind of porn that's popular atm tbh. He's never shown signs before?

AnneLovesGilbert · 16/08/2021 22:28

That’s beyond horrible. He hurt you, on purpose, he physically dominated and controlled you, which must have been really scary, and the way you say he “let you” leave to go to your child is incredibly telling.

He, and his family, all sound fucking awful.

You don’t have to stay with him.

You’re unlikely to ever feel completely safe around him again. What’s he going to do to you next time he’s angry about something?

Purplealienpuke · 16/08/2021 22:29

I am sorry this has happened.
I won't begin to try understand why your husband of 16 years has done this.
He violated you. Its sexual assault.
What you choose to do next is obviously up to you sweetie.
Can I suggest you speak to someone, whether its a counsellor or someone at women's Aid?
In the meantime try and keep yourself safe, sleep on the sofa, spare room or have you someone you can stay with?
Space might help you catch your breath and straighten your thoughts.
There's always a listening ear on here. Take care 💐💐

Cam001 · 16/08/2021 22:35

On the one hand I’m thinking maybe it was just the heightened emotions of the last few days coming out in him seriously? When you feel heightened emotionally do you start rough handling him and sexually demeaning him! He and the other men in his family have serious issues with women. Get yourself away from him.

Anordinarymum · 16/08/2021 22:37

It looks to me as if the family issues have got out of hand making him feel impotent and looking to blame someone for it (you) and the assault was fuelled by his frustration coupled with blaming you when in actual fact he has let you down badly.

I thought about this and my own relationship just to get a handle on the shock of what you wrote. If he did anything like that to me I would not accept it and would look at 'us' differently. I'm not sure if I would have fought back at the time, but I would certainly want him to know that if he ever..ever did anything like that to me again, I would knock his fucking head off. And.. I would. No mistake there

WhiskeyGalore212 · 16/08/2021 22:39

said he felt really horny and that me making him angry must have caused it??!

Just putting the, essentially, sexual assault aside for a minute; that's either a lie (used as an excuse) or he really gets turned on when angry at his partner .. which is weird and fairly disturbing.

On top of that, he had no right to be angry at you; your bil sounds abusive.

It's very strange he'd act like this out of the blue after so long; as you identified, perhaps it's influenced by porn use. That's another issue.

WhiskeyGalore212 · 16/08/2021 22:43

It looks to me as if the family issues have got out of hand making him feel impotent and looking to blame someone for it (you) and the assault was fuelled by his frustration coupled with blaming you when in actual fact he has let you down badly.

This too.

I agree with the poster who said that it seems like perhaps he's affected by the same issues with women as his family members. You just haven't really seen it come out before.

MsHedgehog · 16/08/2021 22:52

Has there been any domination in your sex life before, that you’ve welcomed? The thought occurred to me that maybe your heightened emotions made you not enjoy what you have both enjoyed in the past.

If that’s not the case at all, then it does sound like he was punishing you. I wouldn’t necessarily even say he’s influenced by porn and wants to try what he’s seen...he’s pissed off about the issues with his family and wanted to punish you with sex. I’m sorry. That’s not ok.

billy1966 · 16/08/2021 22:57

You poor woman.

Of course you have been sexually assaulted.

How frightening for you.

He is his father's son and similar to his brother.

He took his seething resentment of you not accepting his awful family out on you by assaulting you.

You need support IRL.

Speak to a sexual assault organisation or women's aid for confirmation.

This is not a good man.

So sorry.
Flowers

VenusTiger · 16/08/2021 23:26

Is there a chance he's been hiding his real self from you all this time OP? You say his dad and brother are abusive?
You should definitely get an appointment with a counsellor and discuss what happened with them.
He needs one too by the sounds of it - don't ignore what happened - are you able to talk to him about it? It certainly sounds like he's had some form of anger managment issues in his past and he slipped back into old ways.

Polecat03 · 17/08/2021 00:13

This must have been so scary and upsetting for you, to trust a partner of so many years and then have them behave in this way.
I (though totally unqualified to guess) did get the sense reading all this that it's somehow connected to the family dynamic stuff going on.
Do you think this father and brother are horrific about women, toxic and abusers but he alone has escaped all influence?
Reading about the assault had me thinking immediately, power, control - regardless of the trigger, it's abuse, and you are not overreacting.

OrangeSmorange · 17/08/2021 09:48

@LemonPeonies

Sounds like the kind of porn that's popular atm tbh. He's never shown signs before?
He has never shown signs of this before. If anything he's always been the other way and always checking he's not hurting me because he's a lot bigger than me. It's so out of character that it's making me confused and questioning myself.
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OrangeSmorange · 17/08/2021 09:50

@Purplealienpuke

I am sorry this has happened. I won't begin to try understand why your husband of 16 years has done this. He violated you. Its sexual assault. What you choose to do next is obviously up to you sweetie. Can I suggest you speak to someone, whether its a counsellor or someone at women's Aid? In the meantime try and keep yourself safe, sleep on the sofa, spare room or have you someone you can stay with? Space might help you catch your breath and straighten your thoughts. There's always a listening ear on here. Take care 💐💐
Thank you so much. I feel like I can't speak to anyone I know about this because I feel like I want to protect him from their judgements, which I know is messed up thinking on my behalf. My head is spinning.
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girlmom21 · 17/08/2021 09:54

I agree there's a good chance he's like his father and brother and that he just does a much better job of hiding it.

I'm so sorry he's treated you like this OP.

OrangeSmorange · 17/08/2021 09:57

@Anordinarymum

It looks to me as if the family issues have got out of hand making him feel impotent and looking to blame someone for it (you) and the assault was fuelled by his frustration coupled with blaming you when in actual fact he has let you down badly.

I thought about this and my own relationship just to get a handle on the shock of what you wrote. If he did anything like that to me I would not accept it and would look at 'us' differently. I'm not sure if I would have fought back at the time, but I would certainly want him to know that if he ever..ever did anything like that to me again, I would knock his fucking head off. And.. I would. No mistake there

I think this is it tbh. He acknowledges how messed up his family are and he knows how they have behaved towards me over the last 16 years to warrant my nc with his father, yet he also loves them and wants it to be happy families. It seems like he wants me to bend to them for peace and quiet rather than allow me to stand my ground and cause ructions. I can't get my head around that attitude. He's seen me crumble time and time again because of their behaviour towards me and my family, but it's easier to get me to conform to them. I feel sick that he would think this, and that he would physical assault me to punish me.
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OrangeSmorange · 17/08/2021 10:10

@WhiskeyGalore212

said he felt really horny and that me making him angry must have caused it??!

Just putting the, essentially, sexual assault aside for a minute; that's either a lie (used as an excuse) or he really gets turned on when angry at his partner .. which is weird and fairly disturbing.

On top of that, he had no right to be angry at you; your bil sounds abusive.

It's very strange he'd act like this out of the blue after so long; as you identified, perhaps it's influenced by porn use. That's another issue.

He rarely gets angry and he's never said that or indicated that before. He's usually soppy after an argument and we just kiss and make up.
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OrangeSmorange · 17/08/2021 10:13

@WhiskeyGalore212

It looks to me as if the family issues have got out of hand making him feel impotent and looking to blame someone for it (you) and the assault was fuelled by his frustration coupled with blaming you when in actual fact he has let you down badly.

This too.

I agree with the poster who said that it seems like perhaps he's affected by the same issues with women as his family members. You just haven't really seen it come out before.

His brother used to be lovely and we had such a close relationship. And then gradually over time he's changed, he's become bitter due to certain things that have happened and he's now just like his father. He's a complete stranger to me now- I don't recognise this horrible person he's become. Maybe that's what is happening to my dh Sad
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OrangeSmorange · 17/08/2021 10:20

@MsHedgehog

Has there been any domination in your sex life before, that you’ve welcomed? The thought occurred to me that maybe your heightened emotions made you not enjoy what you have both enjoyed in the past.

If that’s not the case at all, then it does sound like he was punishing you. I wouldn’t necessarily even say he’s influenced by porn and wants to try what he’s seen...he’s pissed off about the issues with his family and wanted to punish you with sex. I’m sorry. That’s not ok.

No domination in our sex life from him. He likes it when I take charge. This is all so out of character for him.
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OrangeSmorange · 17/08/2021 10:39

@VenusTiger

Is there a chance he's been hiding his real self from you all this time OP? You say his dad and brother are abusive? You should definitely get an appointment with a counsellor and discuss what happened with them. He needs one too by the sounds of it - don't ignore what happened - are you able to talk to him about it? It certainly sounds like he's had some form of anger managment issues in his past and he slipped back into old ways.
Him and his brother had anger issues as children and teens, due to years of physical and mental abuse from their father. His father was a terrible father and he used to beat his children with belts and shoes to get them to conform to his way. My dh got the worst of it as the eldest but my FIL would make his brother and sister watch these beatings to terrify them into submission. They're all very damaged. My dh has never shown any signs of anger issues as an adult. My BIL can't deal with conflict at all but he was always a lovely person up until 10 years ago but he's now a chip off the old block without the violence (as far as I know). My SIL is emotionally unstable but her dh kind of grounds her and keeps her on an even keel.

My FIL is currently very ill and probably won't live much longer so maybe this is triggering this change in character in my dh. I honestly can't express enough how out of character this behaviour is for my dh. It's like a lamb suddenly ripping chunks of flesh out of another creature. Completely unexpected, and I've not seen or experienced a single concerning thing from my dh in the 16 years we've been together. How is this happening?! Sad

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Polecat03 · 17/08/2021 10:41

Are you going to talk to him about it OP? Do you think you can move forward?
I would be on high alert about him going the same way as his brother, if morphing into an awful person seems to run in his family Confused
He needs to know the seriousness of what he did, that it's unacceptable and this isn't the start of you being treated that way.
Hope you're okay.

OrangeSmorange · 17/08/2021 11:14

I'm going to speak to him tonight once dc are in bed and see what he says. I guess his reaction will tell me what I need to know.

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