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DP texts from ex

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Yoyo007 · 06/08/2021 11:28

My DP shares a dc with his ex. We've been together 2 years and in that time his relationship with the ex has been tumultuous and volatile. Upon finding out about me the ex kicked off about all and sundry, blocking him for weeks on end, not allowing access to dc. She eventually comes good but it would always only be a matter of time before she found something totally unreasonable to kick off about.

The last instance of this was about 6 months ago and it has been plain sailing since. We believe it is because she has met someone.

However in the last couple months I have noticed her contact has become increasingly more frequent. Constant barrages of texts about nothing to do with dc. They're all upbeat and jokey but from where I'm sitting it is a total contrast to how I've seen her communicate throughout our relationship and I did wonder what the agenda was. It seems bizarre to text your ex about anything other than to do with the dc. I knew it wasn't coming from him and he was just replying nicely to appease her but it still didn't sit well with me. I ended up feeling the need to have a conversation with him that I was really happy things were going smoothly for him but I would just feel a bit better if they kept things only about dc and that if she tried to go off piste if he could maybe take a little longer to reply, or reply only to every second text kinda thing just to send a subtle message. I thought this was a totally reasonable request just to establish some boundaries but I am prepared to be corrected if anyone thinks this wasn't. I should also say that he was acting annoyed to my face about all her texting and was acting as if it were a chore for him and he didn't want her constant communication.

Since then I've often been involved or next to him when they were texting and it hasn't bothered me and we haven't had any further discussions on the topic.

An incident has now happened yesterday and I am feeling really betrayed right now. He sent me a screenshot of part of their conversation which had been about me and was all pleasant enough. When he got home we were chatting about what they had been talking about and he showed me the conversation (we often do this and it wasn't my asking for it - I trust him completely...or did). He made a comment about something she had said and I noticed that wasn't in the thread and I said to him 'No she hasn't said that? have you completely imagined that?' and we had a little laugh about that.

Later we were lying on the couch and for whatever reason it dawned on me that something I had seen in the screenshot was not there when I had read the text thread. I asked him about it. He completely starts bumbling. I asked if he had deleted parts of their conversation. And he was all awkward and 'Oh I must have'. I started to get a little worked up here and asked him why he would do that and what he had deleted. He just sat there like a gaping fish and I left the room. Later he comes down to try explain what he deleted and it was NOTHING that needed to be deleted. It made no sense to delete it. So I fully do not believe him. He bumbled around trying to apologise and making out like he does it for an 'easy life' after our conversation a few weeks ago but I'm sorry, why would you delete a few texts out of an entire huge conversation? I can already see you are talking so why deleting a few texts is it going to make a difference unless they had something I couldn't see in them?

He then admitted he has been doing this for weeks. So rather than respecting my wishes, or even if he was unable to respect my wishes just having another open conversation with me about it, he has instead proceeded to have this friendship of texting everyday and just deleting it behind my back?!! He is now saying he has never had an issue with how much she texts (despite telling me he did).

I'm just so so confused if I am being unreasonable here. Is he between a rock and a hard place and doing it to keep both parties happy or is he being deceitful about the content of the texts?! I feel lied to and betrayed and it just makes me question his integrity. We are so open with each other about everything - no topic is off limits with us. I feel there is the friendship that he leaves there for me to see in case I ask to read it (which has rarely happened) and the friendship that he deletes. I just don't think there is any need to be that familiar with an ex, I really don't.

Further on from this - if he is deleting that kind of thing, what else is he deliberately concealing from me? I'm such an honest person, too honest to my own detriment. So it just doesn't sit well with me that I'm with someone who isn't? I can't tell if it is a major red flag or if it's a little white lie and no one's perfect and his intentions were genuine? Gahhh!

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Yoyo007 · 06/08/2021 11:28

Wow sorry that was so long!

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RandomMess · 06/08/2021 11:48

It sounds like he has a complete lack of boundaries around conversing with his Ex and he is too afraid to put some in.

Has he got court ordered contact? Sounds like he needs to do that/formalise contact and then put some in.

ravenmum · 06/08/2021 12:00

Weird to be deleting stuff, but then again if he doesn't want you to see certain parts, he could just not show you his private conversations.

Yoyo007 · 06/08/2021 12:09

No he doesn't have court ordered contact.

I honestly don't understand why he even bothered to send me a screenshot of it yesterday if he was just going to create a text thread that he deemed worthy of me reading. I would have been none the wiser that they were even texting! So now I just find his behaviour quite sneaky and I am struggling to trust anything he says.

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Aquamarine1029 · 06/08/2021 12:16

From my perspective, you've now been warned. You can't trust him and there is way too much nonsense with his ex, and she's going nowhere. I simply could not be bothered with all this bullshit. His loyalties are spilt, and that will never work. The fact he hasn't been to court to secure his visitation isn't very impressive, either.

Fireflygal · 06/08/2021 12:24

How long were they together?

I just don't think there is any need to be that familiar with an ex, I really don't

He doesn't agree with you but isn't telling you that. As to why he is friendly with the ex? Usually if a line has been completely drawn under a relationship one or both parties don't what to interact much. It's done and dusted. If the relationship isn't quite "done" then they might continue as a safety net.

You can only guess what he is feeling as he isn't being honest BUT I would say they are still in a "relationship" and not fully moved on from each other. Are you two living together and if so did that happen quickly?

Yoyo007 · 06/08/2021 12:30

They were together for 3 years. I believe they were split for around 18 months before we got together. And yes we did end up moving quite fast with living together.

When we met, even before her knowing about me, their relationship was completely rocky and argumentative and he was frequently blocked on messenger etc. He has never spoken about her in a complimentary way and I guess that's why I struggle to see why he even entertains this friendship she is now trying to pursue.

He has said he doesn't see an issue with it now and is basically throwing it back on me that I have the problem that I need to get over. I just can't think of a single person in my shoes that would be comfortable with this.

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CardiOfDoom · 06/08/2021 12:46

I agree with Fireflygal, there's minimum interaction when a relationship is completely over and certainly no sneaky deleted communication behind your new partner's back. Honestly OP I would be rethinking this relationship, you deserve someone who is committed to you, not harking back to an ex Flowers

Theluggagerules · 06/08/2021 13:00

Wow I couldn't trust him after that.

TooWicked · 06/08/2021 13:09

There’s something going on with, or something unresolved feelings for the ex.

he was acting annoyed to my face about all her texting and was acting as if it were a chore for him and he didn't want her constant communication

Between that and then showing you text conversations it’s like he’s voluntarily protesting his innocence without it even being questioned in the first place. Unfortunately for him you’ve spotted deleted texts and this has bit him on the arse.

Basically what he’s done is prove he’s an accomplished actor and liar, the good news is you’ve only wasted 2 years on him.

Fireflygal · 06/08/2021 13:11

He has never spoken about her in a complimentary way

He isn't honest...his behaviour and words don't match.

What were his options if you and him didn't move in together? It sounds like they had a row, finished, but were not really done. I suspect in the 18months they pinged backwards and forwards.

Do you really want this drama in your life...likely to be forever? I would honestly think of moving on as he isn't a good bet.

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 06/08/2021 13:16

Extremely dishonest, pretending you are party to all the conversations to put you at ease with the activity in general, while secretly deleting the bits he knows are inappropriate and will upset you. It would have been more honest to refuse to show you anything, at least them you know where you stand. A very tangled web indeed and exactly the type of activity you do get caught doing as its complicated. He has broken your trust in him and he should be well aware of this and tabling ideas to earn it back.

2021V2 · 06/08/2021 13:18

Mine did this the deleted texts were them saying they loved each other

I believed him that he showed me the conversations as he nothing to hide it was hiding in plain sight and like yours he screen shot the lot after editing it. Do not trust him you don’t delete messages for no good reason

Lovemusic33 · 06/08/2021 13:21

I speak to my exh about other things, not just tje dc's, it has taken a while to get to this point as he pretty much hated me for a while (I ended the relationships), he is in a relationship with someone who has dc similar age to ours so he often talks about issues with them (teenager issues), I get on with his new partner so I talk to her about stuff too. I think its good to be able to chat and not just about the dc. I don't want my kids thinking that I hate him or he hates me.

Booboo24 · 06/08/2021 13:22

I'm going to go the other way on this, yes it's not great he lied, but I can see why he did it. I wouldn't stand for being told that I could only contact my ex about my children, that seems so controlling. Even if my ex was a nasty piece of work, I'd expect my partner to trust ME.

I don't think he's done too much wrong here but he's made himself look guilty in trying to give himself an easier life

ravenmum · 06/08/2021 13:30

He didn't have to lie, though. He deliberately chose to send OP a screenshot of the conversation, As she says, she'd have been none the wiser if he'd just not brought it up.
Makes it sound like a game.

Yoyo007 · 06/08/2021 13:47

@Booboo24 I see that it might be read as controlling but I also think I should be able to ask my partner to limit the frequency and have him respect my wishes and compromise on this. I don't think it's appropriate to be texting all day everyday. If he feels he can't avoid her constant barrage of texting without causing a huge drama then he shouldn't feel the need to hide it from me and that should be an open conversation between us. Excluding me is not the answer.

Similarly when he has taken issue with my interactions with ex flames in the past I have completely taken on board his thoughts on the matter and we've found an appropriate middle ground.

@Lovemusic33 I totally agree it's great for the kids to see that relationship and that is what I want for him! I felt/feel really happy that everything is running smoothly as I said above. I've even met her and tbh felt a lot more comfortable about everything since that. I told him I felt better about it all since that meeting. And yet he has continued to delete things since then. It just doesn't sit well with me.

I appreciate everyone's thoughts - I don't know how I can trust what he says now I've seen evidence of how easily he can lie to me.

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OrchestraOfWankery · 06/08/2021 14:02

He likes two women fawning over him. His ex likes to think she's just as important to him as you are, and he isn't exactly disabusing her of the notion is he?

NotWanting · 06/08/2021 14:04

I personally don't think you have the right to interfere with private texts to anyone. They are private and unless you think they are conducting an affair, none of your business.

However, he lied. Can't be doing with liars. I'd be angry too.

Cockenspiel · 06/08/2021 14:11

Agree with @Aquamarine1029 this is your warning shot.

SilentPanic · 06/08/2021 14:17

I don't think you should have dictated that any communication should only be about the children. That's controlling. But he should have told you straight away that he disagreed.

My ex came to me with really awful tales of his DC's mother- she was abusive, cruel, horrible, he hated her, she was a terrible mother etc. This is what he told me, and all his friends and family- he built up this monster in our minds.
Then he started seeing her behind my back.
She did sometimes behave erratically, but that was more of a result of being forever entwined with a manipulative liar who was very convincing when he was slagging her off to all and sundry.

Your boyfriend lied to you. That is enough.

WatieKatie · 06/08/2021 14:28

For context OP, my exh and I share a child, who he sees for a few hours once a week (his choice). I text him to arrange his visit (otherwise he’d never see her). This is once a week and only about the visit. I occasionally text if she is unwell or he hasn’t paid the maintenance. However these are the only reasons. There is no chit chat, niceties or talk about our lives.

Could he be scared about not responding in case she stops his access?

PolkadotClouds · 06/08/2021 14:46

I don't think it's at all odd or suspicious for someone to have a friendship with their ex, particularly if they share children. It's in the best interests of the children that their parents are friendly to each other and can spend time in the same place without awkwardness, try to be consistent in how they parent the children etc. It's modelling healthy behaviour not to hold grudges.

You sound a little insecure in your comments about trying to control who he is friends with and when he should reply to them. Confused

However, what I'd have a massive problem with her is that he has lied and hidden things from you. That would be the end of the relationship for me.

pheonixrebirth · 06/08/2021 14:52

Lying is a red flag me but his "performance" regarding showing you messages is on a whole other level to lying. Like he's building a defense before one is even needed, as in later down the line he can say he's always been open with you and "I even showed you our messages"?!
You say things have calmed down with her because she's seeing someone- you sure it's not him she's seeing. I mean why now that she's in a relationship does that mean that she is messaging him more. That just doesn't add up to me.

MarceyMc · 06/08/2021 15:00

Sorry OP but what struck me the most here was the screenshot of messages of them saying nice things about you, as if it's been construed to almost throw you off the scent that anything else could be going on.

That, along with the deleted messages would be a serious red flag for me I'm afraid.

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