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Do I leave?

52 replies

Lolobird87 · 02/08/2021 09:30

This is my first post and I’m really nervous about opening up about my relationship but I need advice and don’t feel I have anyone I can speak to in ‘real life’ about it.

I have been with my husband for 12 years, married 6. We have a son, 4 and have been trying for a second child for over a year now. We have just started getting blood tests etc.

When we were TTC my son in 2016 I found some messages on my husband’s phone to someone online indicating they had been having cyber sex. I confronted him, he claimed it had just felt like porn but appreciated I considered it cheating and promised it wouldn’t happen again.

About 3 months ago I snooped on his phone and found online sexting between him and a different girl but as “characters” (he does this, she does that etc rather than first person). He is big into online gaming and I’m sure that’s how he met this person. Again, we had a big row, I threatened to leave and kept him hanging for a few days before I told him once more and I’m gone. He said he understood. He convinced me he felt nothing for this person, they were just gaming buddies - even showed me their messages where she was saying the same - she’s married, trying to get pregnant etc, lives in another country, nothing going on. It was just building a character relationship and he “thought I wouldn’t mind” 🙄 I accepted it and said they could carry on a friendship but no more.

Last week we went on a family holiday. We came home and I checked his phone. He had called her twice while we were away, once while my son and I were swimming and another while he was supposed to be calling his mum. I found messages about how much they missed each other. I was not aware he was communicating with her at all while we were away and felt this was quite deceitful. Counting down the days until we got home etc which is sad considering I thought we were having a nice family holiday.

Over the last week I find I am constantly checking his phone in the morning when he is asleep. He stays awake until 3am most nights (gaming, chatting - mainly to her I think) so sleeps late which gives me a chance to check everything from the night before. I’ve found out from reading messages and finding a receipt that he sent her a parcel of British food/sweets a few weeks ago, costing £30 to post (!!!). He didn’t tell me about any of this.

I now find I watch him while we eat dinner or watch tv before our son goes to bed and he’s always texting. Last night I asked him “who are you texting?”. He claimed it was his friends trying to arrange a get together. When I checked his phone this morning I found a hasty text sent by him about the same time I asked to his friend group (almost like he thought he should in case I followed up with questions about when he was meeting them) but also a CONSTANT stream of texts to this girl.

I feel like half of them are just friendly and they constantly call themselves “best friends”, there are no “I love you”s or anything but the chat gets very flirty, he says things like “I don’t know what I’d do without you”, “as long as you’re happy I’m happy” etc and they have spoken about masturbation…

I guess my question is would you consider this cheating? The spark in our marriage is certainly long gone and reading these messages to her makes me realise what I’m not getting from him. I’m not saying it’s all his fault, we have a lot to work on together but I feel like I deserve better than this. Is this my opportunity to walk away and start fresh? What would you do?

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Fullofglee · 02/08/2021 09:32

Leave life is too short to be second best.

Nextchapterofmybook · 02/08/2021 09:32

It’s an emotional affair. I’m sorry OP.

Magicstars · 02/08/2021 09:36

I’m sorry OP, I’ve been there too with the ‘it’s online so doesn’t count’ stuff.

Yes he is cheating. No question.

No one can tell you what to do, but having another child together will only make things more complex. Good luck whatever decision you make. Personally I asked my (x)h to leave & it was the right decision for me, though it hasn’t always been a smooth Rd.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/08/2021 10:18

He has and actively continues to cheat on you. I would walk away now and start afresh.

Do not remain within such a marriage for the sake of your child.

Crikeyalmighty · 02/08/2021 10:22

I don’t quite get this- he knows you know and yet is making no attempt to delete these texts etc. I can’t help wondering if he wants to split but doesn’t want to be the one to do it, so is leaving evidence there. If not , not only is he an absolute arse, he is a thick absolute arse

bluebell34567 · 02/08/2021 10:31

leave and dont turn back.

Jonjojobs123 · 02/08/2021 10:32

At best its an inappropriate friendship...but i think it definitely constitutes as an emotional affair.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 02/08/2021 11:13

I agree with a PP, he wants you to end it, the bloody coward. How dare he sit on a family holiday saying he can't wait to get home, ie away from you and DC?! What a louse.

ExplodingCarrots · 02/08/2021 11:25

How many chances are you going to give him ? He's been confronted twice and promises not to do it again and yet he continues. It proves that he has no respect for you and doesn't want to stop. Can you really go on continually snooping on his phone ? That's no relationship. Life's far too short.

Shoxfordian · 02/08/2021 11:43

He’s cheating on you
Don’t believe all this fictional character bollocks

Lolobird87 · 02/08/2021 17:48

@Magicstars

I’m sorry OP, I’ve been there too with the ‘it’s online so doesn’t count’ stuff.

Yes he is cheating. No question.

No one can tell you what to do, but having another child together will only make things more complex. Good luck whatever decision you make. Personally I asked my (x)h to leave & it was the right decision for me, though it hasn’t always been a smooth Rd.

Thank you. I agree it’s cheating but he claims there’s no feelings involved and he doesn’t want her, he wants me and our family etc… I just think he doesn’t understand where the line is and he should by now. I don’t know what to do. I don’t want to break up my family but I also don’t think I’ll ever trust him again.
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Lolobird87 · 02/08/2021 17:50

@AttilaTheMeerkat

He has and actively continues to cheat on you. I would walk away now and start afresh.

Do not remain within such a marriage for the sake of your child.

Thank you. I think I need to work out what is making me consider staying… I don’t know if it’s my son or just the thought of all the mess it would create and all the practicalities.. pretty rubbish reason to stay with someone though isn’t it…
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Lolobird87 · 02/08/2021 17:52

@Crikeyalmighty

I don’t quite get this- he knows you know and yet is making no attempt to delete these texts etc. I can’t help wondering if he wants to split but doesn’t want to be the one to do it, so is leaving evidence there. If not , not only is he an absolute arse, he is a thick absolute arse
It’s strange isn’t it. I think perhaps he doesn’t see anything wrong with what he’s doing? He knows I’m nosey and I have snooped before so I don’t know why he isn’t deleting it. Thank you for your comments as I hadn’t considered that…
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Lolobird87 · 02/08/2021 17:53

@Jonjojobs123

At best its an inappropriate friendship...but i think it definitely constitutes as an emotional affair.
Thank you, I completely agree, he can’t see it.
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Lolobird87 · 02/08/2021 17:54

@EvenMoreFuriousVexation

I agree with a PP, he wants you to end it, the bloody coward. How dare he sit on a family holiday saying he can't wait to get home, ie away from you and DC?! What a louse.
It made me so angry. I honestly think because it’s happening online it doesn’t feel as real to him. Just awful to think rather than soaking up every second with us he was wanting to go home to talk to her again…
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Lolobird87 · 02/08/2021 17:55

@ExplodingCarrots

How many chances are you going to give him ? He's been confronted twice and promises not to do it again and yet he continues. It proves that he has no respect for you and doesn't want to stop. Can you really go on continually snooping on his phone ? That's no relationship. Life's far too short.
Thank you. You’re completely right. I don’t know where to go from here but your message has given me strength.
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Lolobird87 · 02/08/2021 17:55

@Shoxfordian

He’s cheating on you Don’t believe all this fictional character bollocks
Thank you, I completely agree, I don’t understand why he can’t see it
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Lolobird87 · 02/08/2021 17:57

Thank you for all of your comments.

My husband realised I had been through his phone this morning and attempted to talk to me about it while we were out for my sons birthday today. I was so angry. He was pleading with me and trying to say it was nothing, and that we mean everything to him etc. I just kept saying this is not the time or place to have this conversation.

I’m putting it off until my son is in bed later.

I think I need time to work out what I want to do so I’m going to suggest he move into the spare room and gives me space to work out what I want.

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DinosaurDiana · 02/08/2021 17:58

Time to end it. You’ll never trust him again, and then the resentment will set in.

Aquamarine1029 · 02/08/2021 18:01

Of course he's cheating and he has been for years. How you could even consider staying with him is beyond me. Your standards must be higher that that, surely?

Dillydollydingdong · 02/08/2021 18:03

I'd go. He's completely untrustworthy. No point trying for another baby either.

Crikeyalmighty · 02/08/2021 18:04

Thing is OP , if you meant everything to him, he wouldn’t be doing this- he knows already how hurtful it is to you and yet hasn’t stopped. Words are cheap and easy- it’s actions you need .

Crikeyalmighty · 02/08/2021 18:07

What kind of a woman does he think would put up with a partner chatting about masturbation to another woman ?? Certainly not an intelligent one with any sense of self pride - it doesn’t matter if he’s talking as himself or as Mickey Mouse- the intent is clear— it’s getting his kicks via another real life woman .

summercupcake · 02/08/2021 18:09

If he cared at all about your marriage he'd have cut contact with her completely already.

Sending her packages abc phoning her from holiday! FFS! Get rid of him you deserve better!

user16395699 · 02/08/2021 18:16

@Lolobird87

Thank you for all of your comments.

My husband realised I had been through his phone this morning and attempted to talk to me about it while we were out for my sons birthday today. I was so angry. He was pleading with me and trying to say it was nothing, and that we mean everything to him etc. I just kept saying this is not the time or place to have this conversation.

I’m putting it off until my son is in bed later.

I think I need time to work out what I want to do so I’m going to suggest he move into the spare room and gives me space to work out what I want.

What's to work out?

You told him if he did it again you'd leave.

He did it again.

Now you leave.

If you go through another cycle of empty threats and empty promises, he will jeep doing it and your mental health will keep getting damaged.

It's not easy emotionally, but in terms of what you need to do I'm afraid it is very simple: end the relationship permanently.

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