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Don't recognise my friend anymore and am so worried!

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Violetelisabeth · 31/07/2021 20:53

My friend who I've known for years has become a completely different person. He has gone from the most kind, helpful, generous person who volunteered, did loads for charity and was well respected to a shadow of himself.

First of all he became severely depressed and started pushing people away, ignoring messages and isolated himself. The only place he'd go to is work and other than that he'd be in his flat. He would take weeks to reply to me and on the rare times he agreed to meet he wasn't his normal self. He couldn't hide the depression anymore I could see it on his face and he could be snappy sometimes and wouldn't stay out long. He would open up to me a bit and say he felt suicidal and had thoughts of crashing his car into a tree and things like that. I always said I'd be here to chat and I encouraged him to get counselling which he did and he said it helped but because it was on the NHS he only got a limited number of sessions which he felt wasn't enough.

Anyway over the last couple of years it's got worse and worse as he has turned to addictions to deal with the depression which obviously has made everything worse. He started doing cocaine in large quantities in his flat on his own. He told me at some points he was spending a thousand pounds a week at his worst. That he'd even go without food to get it. He got into so much debt he ended up moving back to his mums when he's nearly 40. He seems so miserable about it all but he can't seem to stop. He's had to change his number 3 times now to stop drug dealers messaging him as he just can't say no. Then he'll manage to stay off a few months but always goes back. He also admitted that in this time that he'd even walked the streets to find homeless people to chat to in the hope that they'll know people who can get him drugs. He even did crack with some homeless people too. He openly admits this stuff but I think if this is what he admits to there's probably loads more worse stuff I don't even know about. Even though he's not had any for months he admitted if it was there in front of him now he'd have to have it. The only way he's managed to stay off so far is not go anywhere, avoid everyone and change his number but he's done this all before.

Anyway I saw him recently and he said this is the longest he's managed to stay off drugs and he hasn't done anything in 7 months but instead he's now turned to alchohol and can't stop. He's always been a big drinker and he admitted he has drunk every single day without fail for over 2 years but since he stopped the drugs its got worse. He says he drinks at least a bottle of wine and a few beers a night. His whole weekends are just wasted on drinking the weekend away and then recovering and trying to hold down a professional, stressful job through the week. I dont know how he's got away with no one picking up on it or him getting the sack. He says every day he'll walk past the shop and tell himself I'm not going in today and then he'll get to the end of the road and turn round again and than stand outside the shop thinking don't do it but than always gives in. He sounds so sad when he tells me this.

He can't have a relationship because his addictions come first and he's so depressed he pushes everyone away and is so unreliable. I'm the only friend he has left and that's because I'm the one that makes the effort. I've had to distance myself a lot lately as I havent been well myself and I know there's nothing I can do. I get hurt too that he ignores me and takes no interest in my life when he was my best friend but I know this isn't him it's the addiction. He's become so selfish and narcissistic and openly admits that he hurts people and is a compulsive liar now. He's always feeling guilty and ashamed about everything but than this makes him drink more to block it all out how he's treated people. He even admitted that he's drove home drunk a few times which I couldn't believe. He would never have been so selfish before its like he doesn't care about anyone or anything.

I dont know what to do or say as he's desperate for help but at the same time says he doesn't want to go to the doctors as doesn't want anything on his record. I said go somewhere anonymous but he's scared he'll see people he knows so he just does nothing. He always has an excuse why he's drinking, that his job is stressful or he can't get over his ex or he's depressed. They are all true but he needs better coping mechanisms. He knows this but still continues.

I'm terrified he's going to kill himself. How can he drink that amount every night without consequences, not to mention all the damage he's done to his body with the drugs. I'm scared for him and sad for him too. He was honestly the kindest most caring person I ever met, so intelligent, has a great job and he's just thrown it all away. Is there any hope he can come back from this or is he too far gone? I can't watch him kill himself and I've even had bad dreams that he died and I wake up crying. I'd miss him so much even though I already feel like I've lost him anyway but still have a tiny bit of hope he can come back from this and can have my lovely friend back.

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Violetelisabeth · 01/08/2021 08:43

Does anyone have any ideas of anything I can do or say to help him? Or any similar experiences? I know he has to do it himself but at the same time I don't want to abandon him completely as part of the drinking is because of loneliness and depression and low self esteem. I really don't want anything to happen to him.

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NeverDropYourMoonCup · 01/08/2021 08:51

You can't help somebody who won't help themselves.

He uses drink and drugs, including crack. You have to walk away.

Sunflowergirl1 · 01/08/2021 08:52

There is nothing you can do. People in his position have to hit rock bottom before they do anything to rescue themselves. Unfortunately friends tend to help and just keep them above the place when they seek help. Frankly despite being the good person you sound, you need to tell him that in his current self inflicted state, he isn't a friend that you can live around and he needs to recognise how bad things are.

Sorry sounds harsh but if he won't get help...no one can help him

PieceOfString · 01/08/2021 08:54

Gosh that sounds so desperate, I'm sorry to hear he is struggling this way and how worried you must be. I can't offer any advice myself but I know support is out there for addicts and people who love them. Your position is a hard one as ultimately you're a by-stander but maybe you can help him reach the help he needs.

www.turning-point.co.uk/services/drug-and-alcohol-support/friends-and-family.html

addictionsuk.com/our-services/family-and-friends-of-addicts/

category12 · 01/08/2021 09:06

All you can do is signpost him to help.

And make sure you practise self-care and don't get too involved as he will drag you down with him. You say yourself that he's lying, deliberately hurting people and has lost all sense of boundaries - don't put yourself at risk.

Jurassicparkinajug · 01/08/2021 09:08

Ah gosh I went through something similar OP. It is so hard to stand by and watch someone you care about destroy themselves in this way.
I had a very close friend who was an alcoholic and suffered with depression. I used to try and him help a lot in the early days. I used to think if his depression was treated he would stop drinking. It is not a simple as that though.
Once, when things were really bad, I tried to get him into residential rehab. The woman there told me it was pointless because my friend didn't really want to give up alcohol. It has to come from them and they have to really want it. I said to her 'what am I supposed to do, watch my friend drink himself to death' and she said yes! I remember being so shocked and upset initially. But then slowly I begun to realise she was right. I ended up pulling back a bit on the friendship because it was too heartbreaking to be around. I still saw him and text him buy kept it more social. My friend sadly did die from alcohol several years later. Although there's occasionally a slight guilt that I wasn't there for him enough in the end, I don't dwell on those thoughts. There was nothing I could do and he knew I still cared for him.
I'm so sorry to say this and it's not what you wanna here, but there's nothing you can do. You can give him a number for counselling and even offer to book it for him maybe but if he isn't driven to give up alcohol/ his addictions then there is nothing you can do to help. At the end of the day it is his choice. You have been a good friend to him so you mustn't feel guilty. Consider stepping back a little or if you continue with the same contact, you have to accept that this is his choice.

SarahBellam · 01/08/2021 09:08

He knows what he has to do. He’s refusing to do it. I say this very gently, but you need to back off and put your own mental health first. You are not a counsellor but you appear to be shouldering a big part of his burden. You can signpost, sure, and there will be people along with useful links, but until he decides to get clean they will be no use to him. Please make sure you protect yourself. Do not give him money and limit your engagement to what you can genuinely cope with. It is not your job to fix him.

Violetelisabeth · 01/08/2021 09:51

Thanks everyone! I think I knew deep down there's nothing I can really do but was hoping there was something as I don't want it to get to the point he loses everything or ruins his body to the point its irreversible.

@PieceOfString thanks for the links. Maybe I could at least sign post him somewhere then at least I've done something and then the rest is up to him whether he does anything. I know ultimately it has to be his desicion and there's nothing else I can do
It's such a sad situation. I want to scream at him you're ruining your life but obviously that won't help and he knows this himself anyway but can't stop.
@Jurassicparkinajug I'm so sorry about your friend thats awful. At least you did everything you could to help and like you said he would have at least known you still cared. It is too heartbreaking to watch him ruin his life so I think I'll have to step back too but let him know I'm here when he's ready.

It makes me angry as well that he doesn't care about me or anyone now but than I have to keep saying it's the addiction not him. It all feels like such a waste to me and he had so much potential and he's just throwing it all away. I also miss him and it's like I'm grieving for him even though he's still here.

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PieceOfString · 01/08/2021 11:04

Heartbreaking. So sorry. Maybe write him a letter telling him all the things you love about him and how you hope he can beat this to get back to it, or something to give him hope and a reason to fight his way out.
A letter is a physical activity that starts with the person and there's something about parody that someone who cares had put their hand to that reaches in a way that email etc doesn't.
I have only had socially acceptable, not very hard core addictions (smoked for a while, drank a bit too much for a while) and I don't have a particularly addictive personality... Yet still those habits were hard to break, it took motivation and enjoying resources (which I had) - I totally sympathise with someone wrestling anything stronger and how hard that must be. Sadly the longer it goes on the more the brain is adapted to the addiction and the harder it is. Awful.

PieceOfString · 01/08/2021 11:05

Letter is a physical object that stays with the recipient, and there's something about paper that someone who cares had put their hand to... 🙄

OhNoNoNoNoNo · 01/08/2021 11:26

How about sticking a note on his fridge door or somewhere prominent with the numbers of some useful organisations.
AA (or whatever it's called) The Samaritans etc.

Jurassicparkinajug · 01/08/2021 13:15

I used to feel exactly the same as you OP, that I'd lost my friend even though he was still here. I think that made it easier when we actually lost him though. I try and remember how he was before. If I think about the last few years, I feel angry with him so I think back to the good times; positive memories only.

Violetelisabeth · 01/08/2021 15:02

Thanks everyone for the ideas. The letter one is good there is so much I do want to say and I do want him to know all the good things about him as he's just so down on himself. I want to get through to him in some way but not sure if that's possible. I think the letter would be good if I have the courage to give it to him as not sure how he'd take it. When I've tired to talk to him in person he gets defensive and annoyed so no not sure how he'd react.

@Jurassicparkinajug that's what I hold onto is the brilliant memories we've shared in the past and if anything does happen to him at least I know I have them and that I tried my best to be a good friend. That makes sense about the relief as at least all the worrying is over and even their suffering and torture is over even though its such a waste.

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Palavah · 01/08/2021 15:07

I'm so sad to read the replies saying walk away.

I had a friend who was in a similar situation) who's now been sober for nearly 10 years.

You can signpost him to help. If he is a professional does he have private medical insurance? His employer may offer an assistance service which is anonymous.

Violetelisabeth · 01/08/2021 15:46

@palavah thats amazing your friend has managed to be sober for 10 years it must have taken a lot of strength to do that. I hope my friend can find the strength from somewhere too. I'll see if I can find out if he has any medical insurance amd suggest that to him.

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Palavah · 01/08/2021 17:01

If he would like to get clean then it's worth him checking out AA /NA

PieceOfString · 02/08/2021 10:20

I suppose the advantage of a letter is you can post it and there can be an interval before he needs to react. Conversations provoke an instant response and if he's on the defensive he'll come out fighting. Whereas you can say in a letter the positive intention and ask him to trust that. It sounds like there nothing to lose if relations are already much reduced and you are almost out of emotional stamina to sustain face to face anyway. It's lovely you care enough to try and not allow him to push you away.

Violetelisabeth · 02/08/2021 20:43

Thanks, I definitely think he needs AA, maybe I could bring that up gently with him or offer to go somewhere with him.

I think the letter idea is good so he has time to digest it properly and not interrupt. I might write one even if I don't have the courage to give it as at least I'm getting things off my chest for myself.

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hellotesting123123 · 02/08/2021 23:13

My brother was in a similar state. I dont agree with people saying leave him be. I agree you need to look after yourself but that doesn't mean you can't help. I would try and get him to a NA / AA group. Go with him. The support system there was the only thing that saved my brother who is now doing well. And knowing he was loved. By me and by this support group. Turning your back is cruel. Let him know you will always be there. But don't invest too much or expect miracles. Its a long road and it nearly killed me after two years of ups and downs. I'm glad I did it though as he would have ended up homeless or dead otherwise- that's a fact. Thank you for being kind and caring to him when everyone else will have turned away. In the end its the shame and isolation that feeds the addiction. Togetherness and a feeling of worth can heal, but it takes a village.

alexdgr8 · 03/08/2021 00:27

you could contact Al-Anon.

Violetelisabeth · 05/08/2021 14:58

@hellotesting123123 thanks for your advice. I agree I would feel cruel completely turning my back. I will mention about us going somewhere together if he wants to but I'm not sure he's ready yet as it's such a scarey step and I can see in his face he is scared.

I'm glad your brother is doing well now after such a struggle and he's lucky he had you there supporting him.

I think like you said not expecting miracles is so important so that im not setting myself up for disappointment and upset.

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MrsOnions0 · 05/08/2021 15:06

Does he was to stop drinking?

If he does he needs professional support via your local drug and alcohol team. If he is serious he will be offered both Psychosocial support and medical interventions. Do not advise him to stop or reduce his drinking without support.

He can be medically detoxed in the community and provided with ongoing treatment and support. Depending on your area and funding an inpatient detox and residential rehab may also be an option but he needs to want it himself

Good luck

Branleuse · 05/08/2021 15:24

my advice is to step back emotionally. If he is in active addiction and its affecting him like this, then you cant fix him. You are only headed for heartbreak and upset.

Violetelisabeth · 05/08/2021 17:25

@MrsOnions0 it's a difficult one because all he talks about is how he needs to stop drinking, how bad it makes him feel. He knows it's ruining his relationships and its making him depressed but at the same time it's like he can't/won't make the step of actually doing anything about it. I think he thinks he can do it alone like he did with the drugs when he changed his number. He always has an excuse like he said once I change my job then I'll stop, so there's always a reason he can't do it now. There's also the embarrassment factor for him that he doesn't want people to know or see anyone that he knows or anything go on his record.

@Branleuse yes I've already had lots of upset and heartbreak. I'm trying to step back emotionally and not expect anything anymore but at the same time let him know I haven't completely turned my back on him and will support him when/If he's ready.

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Branleuse · 05/08/2021 17:33

I do feel for you.
One of my oldest friends who I love dearly is an alcoholic and has had a really chaotic life for years. So many really awful problems but so many are of her own making, and I had to stop feeling so involved as it was honestly making me ill.
I had to cut right back. I do still call for a catch up here and there, but im totally done with trying to actively help or advise as its not worth it

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