Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Don't recognise my friend anymore and am so worried!

41 replies

Violetelisabeth · 31/07/2021 20:53

My friend who I've known for years has become a completely different person. He has gone from the most kind, helpful, generous person who volunteered, did loads for charity and was well respected to a shadow of himself.

First of all he became severely depressed and started pushing people away, ignoring messages and isolated himself. The only place he'd go to is work and other than that he'd be in his flat. He would take weeks to reply to me and on the rare times he agreed to meet he wasn't his normal self. He couldn't hide the depression anymore I could see it on his face and he could be snappy sometimes and wouldn't stay out long. He would open up to me a bit and say he felt suicidal and had thoughts of crashing his car into a tree and things like that. I always said I'd be here to chat and I encouraged him to get counselling which he did and he said it helped but because it was on the NHS he only got a limited number of sessions which he felt wasn't enough.

Anyway over the last couple of years it's got worse and worse as he has turned to addictions to deal with the depression which obviously has made everything worse. He started doing cocaine in large quantities in his flat on his own. He told me at some points he was spending a thousand pounds a week at his worst. That he'd even go without food to get it. He got into so much debt he ended up moving back to his mums when he's nearly 40. He seems so miserable about it all but he can't seem to stop. He's had to change his number 3 times now to stop drug dealers messaging him as he just can't say no. Then he'll manage to stay off a few months but always goes back. He also admitted that in this time that he'd even walked the streets to find homeless people to chat to in the hope that they'll know people who can get him drugs. He even did crack with some homeless people too. He openly admits this stuff but I think if this is what he admits to there's probably loads more worse stuff I don't even know about. Even though he's not had any for months he admitted if it was there in front of him now he'd have to have it. The only way he's managed to stay off so far is not go anywhere, avoid everyone and change his number but he's done this all before.

Anyway I saw him recently and he said this is the longest he's managed to stay off drugs and he hasn't done anything in 7 months but instead he's now turned to alchohol and can't stop. He's always been a big drinker and he admitted he has drunk every single day without fail for over 2 years but since he stopped the drugs its got worse. He says he drinks at least a bottle of wine and a few beers a night. His whole weekends are just wasted on drinking the weekend away and then recovering and trying to hold down a professional, stressful job through the week. I dont know how he's got away with no one picking up on it or him getting the sack. He says every day he'll walk past the shop and tell himself I'm not going in today and then he'll get to the end of the road and turn round again and than stand outside the shop thinking don't do it but than always gives in. He sounds so sad when he tells me this.

He can't have a relationship because his addictions come first and he's so depressed he pushes everyone away and is so unreliable. I'm the only friend he has left and that's because I'm the one that makes the effort. I've had to distance myself a lot lately as I havent been well myself and I know there's nothing I can do. I get hurt too that he ignores me and takes no interest in my life when he was my best friend but I know this isn't him it's the addiction. He's become so selfish and narcissistic and openly admits that he hurts people and is a compulsive liar now. He's always feeling guilty and ashamed about everything but than this makes him drink more to block it all out how he's treated people. He even admitted that he's drove home drunk a few times which I couldn't believe. He would never have been so selfish before its like he doesn't care about anyone or anything.

I dont know what to do or say as he's desperate for help but at the same time says he doesn't want to go to the doctors as doesn't want anything on his record. I said go somewhere anonymous but he's scared he'll see people he knows so he just does nothing. He always has an excuse why he's drinking, that his job is stressful or he can't get over his ex or he's depressed. They are all true but he needs better coping mechanisms. He knows this but still continues.

I'm terrified he's going to kill himself. How can he drink that amount every night without consequences, not to mention all the damage he's done to his body with the drugs. I'm scared for him and sad for him too. He was honestly the kindest most caring person I ever met, so intelligent, has a great job and he's just thrown it all away. Is there any hope he can come back from this or is he too far gone? I can't watch him kill himself and I've even had bad dreams that he died and I wake up crying. I'd miss him so much even though I already feel like I've lost him anyway but still have a tiny bit of hope he can come back from this and can have my lovely friend back.

OP posts:
TheSweetLady · 05/08/2021 18:03

he's desperate for help but at the same time says he doesn't want to go to the doctors as doesn't want anything on his record

Why is he scared of this? Or is it an excuse? The first step would be to go to the GP and discuss options. You could go with him for support. I honestly can’t think how doing this will negatively impact him.

Ultimately though there’s nothing you can do if he’s not ready.

Violetelisabeth · 05/08/2021 19:21

@Branleuse that's sounds tough, I totally get the frustration part knowing they're doing it to themselves but also caring and worrying about them at the same time.

@TheSweetLady it may well be an excuse, I'm not sure. He seems to think if it goes on his record it could affect his jobs and any future job prospects. I dont know if this is true or not. I guess as well taking the first step is scary so he talks himself out of it.

OP posts:
theemmadilemma · 05/08/2021 19:26

The best way for him to get the help he needs is self referral to the local substance abuse service via his Doctor. Unless it would substantially effect his employment in some way, there is nothing to lose. There is no embarrassment. There's a strict code of anonymity amongst service users. He will get months of counselling and support.

Violetelisabeth · 05/08/2021 20:15

@theemmadilemma I think that's what he's worried about but I'll talk to him about it and see if I can get through to him somehow. Thanks for the advice.

OP posts:
theemmadilemma · 05/08/2021 20:20

If it helps, I hold a Management position at work. I took a couple of weeks vacation for a medical detox (late stage alcoholic). No one is any the wiser at work. Apart from the professionals involved and those loved ones I chose to tell, my being there has remained private.

Violetelisabeth · 05/08/2021 22:45

@theemmadilemma thanks, that's good to know and well done on working so hard on your own detox. I'm sure it must have been a tough thing to go through.

OP posts:
TheSkatesOfCoachBombay · 05/08/2021 23:05

Can he not go to a voluntary drug and alcohol agency? Not sure if you have any in your area. But in our city there's a community drugs and alcohol team that you can self refer to, don't have to go through your GP.

They can also then look at addressing his addiction through a range of services.

Have a Google of there's anything like CDAT in your are and all you can do is signpost him OP sadly.

As they say you can lead a horse to water...

Violetelisabeth · 06/08/2021 08:25

@TheSkatesOfCoachBombay thanks for the information I will suggest it to him. I just think he's really scared of making that first step and losing his job if anyone found out. Like you said I can only give him the advice and the rest is up to him.

OP posts:
Violetelisabeth · 22/09/2021 22:22

Well things have gone from bad to worse!

I met up with him after writing this post and was pleasantly surprised he'd cleaned up his act or so it seemed. Cut down on drinking, stopped the drugs completely he said. Was being very open and honest it felt like and he was looking forward to starting his new job (as it was his old job which he felt was causing him to drink) I really felt positive for him that he was making progress.

I didnt see him for a couple of months and then met up with him last week and he was like a different person again. He's severely depressed. He's drinking more than ever. The worst part is he said he had been finishing work every day so stressed and going straight to the shop and buying beer and driving home like that. He said one day he had to pull over and go to sleep and was outside someone's house that saw him. I said hes utterly selfish, that he could have killed someone or himself. If the police had pulled him over he would have been arrested and lost his job. He said he knows and its like he wants to get caught. So to me this must be some weird cry for help that someone will notice what he's doing and put a stop to it as he seems powerless to do it himself. Luckily he's sold his car now so he can't do that anymore so at least I don't have that worry.

He also said he's put himself in dangerous situations like getting into drug dealers cars and he went to one of their houses and got threatened. It really scared him but still he goes back for more. I told him the drugs could kill him and he said when he thinks about dying he doesn't care.

He's got a new job now but he said he'd only been there a week and his friend came over for the weekend and they spent the whole weekend doing drugs so on the Monday he had to call in sick after only being there a week. He's also paranoid that his work will randomly drug test him but yet still he does it. He's always had a great work ethic and been so reliable so to hear him now it's like a different person.

He has no money now. He's sold his car and everything. He recently moved into a lovely new flat which he could afford if he wasn't doing all that stuff but already he's saying he'll probably have to move as he can't afford the rent (he could if he didn't spend his money on drugs) so he's putting that above his home.

He said the drugs have even made him impotent and cause other problems so he can't even have a relationship and he seemed so sad saying I dont understand why I cant stop despite all these things and possibly losing his home and job and getting arrested or beaten up. He seems so lost and helpless and kept saying I'm just a bastard. He said he falls out with everyone because he's so self absorbed and isn't listening to then as all he can think about is drugs.It's so sad to see. He seemed like he was starting to have a panic attack and then left abruptly and I even had a thought that he was going off to find something to take.

I dont know whether to try and meet him one more time now I've had time to process what he said and tell him I think he needs serious help which he can't do alone and even say I think him doing all the stuff like the drink driving and risking his job is all a cry for help. He obviously knows it's a problem for him to tell me all about it. The thing is he knows what he has to do and I've even offered in the past to take him somewhere. It's whether he's strong enough to take that step. Or should I just walk away as hes beyond help and I don't want to watch his downfall.

OP posts:
inkhopper · 22/09/2021 22:26

have a look at addiction talks on youtube by gabor mate (he also has books), it might help him - or you to understand the roots of addiction and how it is rooted in trauma, often from childhood. he is an amazing guy with lots of knowledge!

Violetelisabeth · 23/09/2021 08:40

Thank you @inkhopper I will take a look. I definitely think his addiction stems from childhood trauma. He told me he was bullied every day of his school days and would make himself sick worrying about going to school and hide in the toilets at break even eating his lunch in there. It's so sad.

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/09/2021 09:16

Unfortunately your lovely friend will not ever return and he will never become the person you thought he was. This is who he now is and he still does not want your help and or support. Only HE can decide whether or not to get help and even at this later stage he does not want it from you or anyone else. He has not changed; only you can change how you react to him.

You are not responsible for him when all is said and done; read about codependency in relationships and see how much reflects in your own behaviours around him. Your boundaries here re him need urgent attention.

He can also go onto lose everything and everyone around him and still choose to use drink and drugs after. There are NO guarantees here when it comes to addiction of any kind.

Let him go now, for his sake as much as your own. He is not yours to further try and rescue and or save. His decisions and choices are his and are not any reflection on you as a person. The road to hell is paved with good intentions and your good intentions to date have not and are not helping him.

You will ultimately need to grieve for the healthy friendship you should have had rather than the one you actually got.

inkhopper · 23/09/2021 09:37

I don't think people often consciously realise their addictions stem from trauma, OP. They will blame themselves for it when really once they accept they have been trying to cover up the pain, rather than being "weak willed" or similar it is much easier for them to overcome the addiction. Until the original hurt is addressed they stand very little chance! So Gabor Mate's work is really helpful, he is so compassionate. Many people have no compassion for addicts, but really they need a lot of compassion and self compassion because they are only trying to cover up the difficult feelings. Maybe if you share his work with this guy it might help.

Violetelisabeth · 23/09/2021 11:25

@AttilaTheMeerkat I agree with you I think he's beyond help now and it's almost like he's also resigned himself to the fact that he's going lose his job and his flat and its so frustrating as I think just do something about it then before it's too late but obviously it's not that easy to him. Like you said though I do think I've become too involved and need to step back as I don't think he's appreciated me trying to help anyway and also like you said he has to do it for himself and I really can't face watching his decline and the person I really care about ruin his life. It is like im grieving for my friend and I miss him so much even though he's still here physically, he's so far gone from the person I knew. I think of the memories we've had and it makes me so sad that we probably won't do any of those things again. He knows he can contact me of he needs to though but I definitely can't fix him.

@inkhopper thanks that makes sense. I agree there needs to be compassion for addicts as no one sets out thinking they are going to become one. They want to feel better so turn to substances to cope and it all gets out of control till they feel like they can't live without it and I definitely think that's the case with him. I might tell him about the Gabor mate stuff and then it's up to him whether he looks at it and other than that I'll just be here if he wants to talk but I have to step back a bit too as it has been consuming my thoughts a lot.

OP posts:
RantyAunty · 23/09/2021 12:21

How is this guy your friend?

All I'm seeing is someone using you as an emotional tampons while refusing to get professional help.

Violetelisabeth · 23/09/2021 16:36

@RantyAunty he was my friend for years before all this. He was kind, caring, funny, super intelligent always listened to what I had to say and was there for me through difficult times I was going through. Now he is unrecognisable but it's hard to just turn ny back. I always hope that one day we'll meet and he'll just be back to how he was which I know is ridiculous as it's never going to be that easy but I just can't believe this is it for him. I dont want him to think he has no where to turn as that could send him spiralling even more but I do know I have to step back and not get so emotionally involved and that he has to do it himself.

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
Swipe left for the next trending thread