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Worried about depressed/suicidal Dd . Need advice.

32 replies

DepressedDD · 30/07/2021 22:49

She’s 21yo lives at home, uni student at local uni. She’s been very down on and off for a couple of years, before lock down. She has had some awful things happen to her.

Had a bf in sixth form who she says was physically abusive to her. She was also raped at a uni party before covid. She says the GP has diagnosed her with ptsd and disassociation disorder. She isn’t on any medication, says she doesn’t want to take anything, don’t know if the dr has recommended it or not.

I feel like I’m walking on eggshells with her all the time. I’m worried sick about her and just don’t know how to make things right or if they can be. We’ve paid for private counselling before which I’d thought had helped, I’ve offered to pay again but she hasn’t taken me up on it.

This might sound horrible and I really don’t mean it to but I do sometimes think that maybe she has a bit of a victim mentality and unintentionally makes mountains out of molehills/sees the worst in people/situations. I get that could be down to her mental health.

Like the boyfriend who she said was physically abusive in sixth form. The story started off he pushed her away when they had an arguement and now you’d think she’d been beaten for months the way she talks. She started dating a boy a few months ago, then there was some sort of argument, she ran out the house, he ran out the house after her as he was worried about her and she started screaming that he was making her feel unsafe, etc. So then went into a downward spiral about how abusive he was. His friends tried to explain he was just worried about her (it was 2am) so now she reckons they’re just as bad and has cut them all off.

Then she went in a date with a lad she knew at work. He said thanks, but didn’t want to see her for a second date….as happens. She was sobbing for days saying she had trusted him not to be like this, she’d known him for months and didn’t think he’d be like everyone else. 🤷‍♀️

She frequently tells me I’m abusive and that I shout at her “all the time”.

So she’s seemed ok for the last few days. Was excitedly making plans for next academic year last night, telling me about stuff. Went out to work this morning and came back snappy and moody (she can be terrible). Walked through the door into a full rant at me about how I needed to,cook her some lunch, that I neglect her, etc. I was just going out to work and said I didn’t have time to cook but leftovers in the fridge, etc. She carried on ranting about how there’s no food in the house for her (not true, there loads) and I admit I was snappy back at her when I said there was plenty of food . She immediately kicked off that I was being a nasty fucking bitch and shouting at her. I hadn’t shouted but had been firm/emphasising my words.

I went to work. Came home. She seemed better, we watched a bit of tv together. She was talking about plans for holidays with a friend next year.

Just came downstairs to find her standing in the kitchen crying. She says she wants to kill herself, she’s sick of living, if she had pills she would do it, etc. She refuses to talk to the GP. I asked her what’s wrong. She says nobody cares about her, I don’t care about her, she just feels numb about life, even when she’s with her friends that she feels nothing (she had been laughing and joking earlier). She says I’m Abusive and shout all the time. That this isn’t a normal family set up and it’s toxic (just me and her dad here and we get along fine). She says she was going to move out and not tell me but now thinks she might kill herself instead. Or she might not kill herself but might just leave and cut me off. She’s frequently said when she leaves home she will never see me or dh again.

I’m not trying to make it about me but sometimes I feel she’s emotionally abusive to me. She can be vile the way she talks to us. I let her talk to me like shit most of the time because I’m scared of her reaction if I pull her up on it. But she’s like it briefly and then she’s fine again.

We have bent over backwards to get her stuff she wants, I know material things don’t buy mental health but she’s wanted for nothing. She’s had a stable upbringing. Me and dh aren’t exactly The Waltons, we get on fine but we’re not a lovely dovey couple and in the past she’s commented on that saying we’re fucked up. But we’re both quite happy. 🤷‍♀️

I just don’t know what to do….I’m worried. Can’t do anything. She’s self harmed in the last. She’s taken a very small overdose before. She said last week she thinks she has an eating disorder and is making herself sick. She won’t go and see the gp, won’t take medication and seems to hate me.

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DepressedDD · 30/07/2021 23:06

Sorry that was so long.

Apparently I don’t “value her as a person “.

I told her I do and she says I don’t, I just say I do.

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yikesanotherbooboo · 30/07/2021 23:13

How difficult. I don't know how to help. Both your perspectives are probably right to you. Would some sort of family therapy help? She would feel listened to and you would be in a safer environment to
Air some of your feelings.

DepressedDD · 31/07/2021 07:28

Thank you for replying. I’d not thought of family therapy so definitely worth exploring. Must admit I’d be slightly nervous Dd would just use it as an opportunity to tell me and dh how abusive we are to her, how hard done by she is by everything and if we dare mention any slightly negative she just goes off on one. Hopefully with a neutral 3rd party they could control that.

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DepressedDD · 31/07/2021 07:30

Anytime I’ve ever tried to have any form of conversation with her explaining things, trying to drop hints that maybe she’s slightly over reacting I get accused of victim blaming, minimising her feelings, etc. I try and word stuff so carefully so acknowledging her upset, etc.

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layladomino · 31/07/2021 08:17

I really feel for you. When your children become young adults and start to face adult problems (moving away to uni / exam stress / becoming more independent / job hunting and getting turned down / relationship problems / wondering what their place is in the world / friends are suddenly all over the country and not local etc etc) it is so hard as a parent to see them face those issues, and not to have any control.... when they are little you can remove them from harmful situations and make decisions for them. Then you have to almost sit back and watch as they learn how harsh the world can be, when your insticts are still to protect them and make everything OK.

In your daughter's case, it sounds as though she's had a particularly awful experience and I can't imagine how that feels - for her and for you. I wonder if the experience of rape has led to everything else.

I think the pp suggestion of family therapy is a good one, and that may lead in to her agreeing to some support for her PTSD and all the other problems that are likely stemming from that.

I think you should keep suggesting that she talk to a professional again. Has she explained what her aversion is to that?

Getbehindme · 31/07/2021 08:51

That's really tough. It's she accessing support from her Uni? it might be worth encouraging her to do so as an avenue of support for her. They might have an online referral form for those worried about a student that you can complete on their behalf.

DepressedDD · 31/07/2021 12:04

No, not accessing support from the uni although I’ve suggested it previously. She just says nobody can help….she has a real defeatist attitude.

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Jurassicparkinajug · 31/07/2021 13:31

Sometimes people need more than just encouragement to get help, they need someone to sort it for them. I have no idea if it would work but maybe try finding a suitable counsellor then approach your daughter with the info and offer to book an appointment.

Have you tried talking to her when she is in a better place rather than raising it when she's feeling down so it's more of a calm environment? Say you want to help and really listen to her. Family counselling could really help you understand her behaviour too. Good luck.

TheSweetLady · 31/07/2021 14:22

This post has resonated with me. In my case it was my DH with severe anxiety, depression and OCD. His perceptions of people, conversations and events were completely irrational. I am a very soft spoken person, yet he would accuse me of shouting & being abusive. He said the same about ALL his family, that people were making him worse and we wanted him to be ill etc. The problem is that they fully believe this & and they can’t see any ‘grey’ areas because their thinking is only black or white.

Ultimately the only thing that has made a difference is medication. It took 4 years and a lot of heartache before my DH to agreed to this.

I think you should definitely try more therapy and then when she is receptive, encourage her to try medication.

Flowers for you

TheSweetLady · 31/07/2021 14:26

I forgot to say we tried loads of therapy and different therapists, but none of it ‘clicked’ without the medication.

DepressedDD · 31/07/2021 14:28

@TheSweetLady

This post has resonated with me. In my case it was my DH with severe anxiety, depression and OCD. His perceptions of people, conversations and events were completely irrational. I am a very soft spoken person, yet he would accuse me of shouting & being abusive. He said the same about ALL his family, that people were making him worse and we wanted him to be ill etc. The problem is that they fully believe this & and they can’t see any ‘grey’ areas because their thinking is only black or white.

Ultimately the only thing that has made a difference is medication. It took 4 years and a lot of heartache before my DH to agreed to this.

I think you should definitely try more therapy and then when she is receptive, encourage her to try medication.

Flowers for you

@TheSweetLady was the medication which helped antidepressants?

I had found a good private counsellor in the first lock down and we paid for two courses of sessions. I think 20 sessions in total. I offered a few weeks ago to pay for more but she hasn’t come back to me about that.

However I do think maybe she’s sorted out some nhs counselling as she made a comment the other day about something her counsellor had said about a specific situation which had happened recently. Interestingly Dd was moaning that the counsellor had said she couldn’t help Dd with the specific situation. (Dd was talking about how angry she is about a general patriarchal society and being two faced). She spends a lot of time raging about injustices.

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DepressedDD · 31/07/2021 14:29

And yes, being back and white with no grey is totally Dd.

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hamstersarse · 31/07/2021 14:38

How awful.

I came across a term the other day which seems fitting. The tyranny of the weak.

It basically describes the situation you have here with the ‘weak’ person dictating how everything should be done because of their feelings. All centred around them.

I don’t know the answer for you in how to resolve it but I do know that CBT or people centred counselling almost definitely won’t help.

I would think psychotherapy would be best, especially on Jungian principles, as this encourages personal responsibility and movement away from blaming everyone else for problems

Bagelsandbrie · 31/07/2021 14:44

@TheSweetLady

This post has resonated with me. In my case it was my DH with severe anxiety, depression and OCD. His perceptions of people, conversations and events were completely irrational. I am a very soft spoken person, yet he would accuse me of shouting & being abusive. He said the same about ALL his family, that people were making him worse and we wanted him to be ill etc. The problem is that they fully believe this & and they can’t see any ‘grey’ areas because their thinking is only black or white.

Ultimately the only thing that has made a difference is medication. It took 4 years and a lot of heartache before my DH to agreed to this.

I think you should definitely try more therapy and then when she is receptive, encourage her to try medication.

Flowers for you

Yes I was about to post exactly the same comment…! Again with my dh. He is now on citalopram 30mg and it’s been life changing. He wasn’t able to work at all before taking it because his depression and anxiety was so awful. He would have huge panic attacks / crying / saying life wasn’t worth it. Really difficult to cope with. He is now completely different and has been in the same job for 5 years and seems “happy” - well as balanced as can be. I think there comes a point where medication and medical intervention is needed. I really feel for you though; it’s so difficult being around someone like this.
TheSweetLady · 31/07/2021 17:36

My DH is on Sertraline 50mg. They started working after 2 weeks and by 6 weeks he was better than I ever expected.

For context, he was almost bed bound and only ate 1 meal a day

DepressedDD · 31/07/2021 17:43

Thanks, I really think she needs to be on medication. I just need to convince her….she’s adamant she doesn’t want meds.

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SarahBellam · 31/07/2021 18:40

I am not a professional psychologist and I have never met your DD so I am not going to do a Mumsnet diagnosis. However, look up borderline personality disorder. Some of the situations you are describing reflect some of the behaviours and thinking patterns of someone with BPD. Regardless of whether she has this disorder or any other disorder it is possible that psychotherapy may help, as suggested upthread. You can find out more here:

www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/borderline-personality-disorder/symptoms-causes/syc-20370237

DepressedDD · 31/07/2021 18:46

Thanks, think she ticks all the boxes for BPD according to that link. As did my mother when she was alive, so interesting that it says you’re more at risk if someone in your family has had it.

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DepressedDD · 31/07/2021 18:53

Dd even has hallucinations which the nhs site says can be part of bpd. She went to the gp about this a few weeks ago and I was worried she was going to get diagnosed as schizophrenic but doctor said it was anxiety.

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Wbeezer · 31/07/2021 19:02

I was about to suggest BPD, i had a friend who behaved like this (I'm NC with her now) and it turned out she had BPD.
Im not sure what the best treatment would be but there are regularly posters on Mumsnet who work hard on recovery from BPD once they realise they have it and how it affects them.

DepressedDD · 31/07/2021 19:12

I’m actually scared to raise it as a possibility with Dd due to knowing how she’s likely to react. She will accuse me of invalidating her feelings, etc. The problem is she’s convinced she’s right and me and to a lesser extent everyone else is nasty and horrible.

Which was exactly like my mum was and why she never had a diagnosis. She didn’t think there was anything wrong….it was everyone else.

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PussInBin20 · 31/07/2021 19:22

I think there is a few things going on here - a combination perhaps of struggling with the awful things that have happened to her, trying to adjust to the world as she is changing from young person to adult and I think society that tells young people they are entitled to an amazing life without any hiccups.

It seems she is taking out her anger on you. I’m not sure what else you can do that you haven’t already suggested tbh. Perhaps put the ball back in her court and ask how else to make things better?

I sympathise as I can see my DD being like this in years to come. So worrying!

SarahDarah · 01/08/2021 00:28

Flowers for you OP, sounds very tough.

It sounds like she has a personality disorder or bipolar. People with these conditions often unfortunately also insist they're fine/misunderstood by everyone/don't need medical intervention. People with personality disorders are often manipulative/emotionally abusive.

The only thing you can do is encourage where possible for her to go to psychiatrist/psychologist. There's clearly a serious underlying issue. Your poor DD also having been raped Flowers

IdblowJonSnow · 01/08/2021 00:43

This sounds very difficult OP. The rape must have been horrendous for her. I'm not sure I would blame anyone for having a 'victim mentality' following that.

It does sound like you're being very supportive. As much as she has a go at you, it's great that she can still come to you

I think medication could help too - what's her reason for not wanting to try it? Do your research well - sertraline, for example, can often make people feel worse before they feel better.

Gingerkittykat · 01/08/2021 01:57

(Dd was talking about how angry she is about a general patriarchal society and being two faced). She spends a lot of time raging about injustices

Is there any way you can get her to channel those feelings?

It might be joining a political party, a femninist organisation or something similar could give her something concrete to focus on.

Is she generally young for her age? The stuff about how she will never see you again when she loves out sounds like something someone in their mid teens would say.

It sounds like you are in an impossible position. My DD has PTSD and depression and it could be hell living with her but luckily she knew she had a problem and got help. It was the antidepressants that made the difference between being non functional and being able to go to college etc.