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49 replies

Sweetie1980 · 24/07/2021 13:37

After a year of being too scared to do anything about my situation, I have finally found the strength as I am getting more depressed by the day. I am sahm to two primary school aged kids, I am working part time in a very flexible role that fits in with the children, however I could do with more hours. My dh is verbally abusive and controlling. He is threatening that he wants 50/50 shared custody now he is working at home ( since covid ) I do everything re kids, he doesn't get up in the morning and has done one school drop off this year despite being at home ( I was too ill to get out of bed ). His job is pressured and he has always said he doesn't have time to help but now he is saying he will take less work, this has never happened in ten years! I can see how 50/50 works for some parents but I really don't think it's the best option for us. My son has already said he wouldn't want this as he can be verbally abusive towards him sometimes. What can I do? I feel sick with worry...my life revolves around my children, he doesn't what he wants..

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Sweetie1980 · 24/07/2021 14:09

He also said everything 50/50 even though he would be able to get a mortgage and is a comfortable earner.

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GreenWasabi · 24/07/2021 14:33

You need a decent solicitor, him being verbally abusive to your son is significant
If he is more 'comfortable' than you it will be taken into account as being a SAHM means your career has been put on hold, he may well have to provide maintenance for you too.
The 50/50 thing will be highly unlikely - call his bluff - if he can't be arsed to do a school run now - it's doubtful be will morph into a decent father.
Good luck, one foot in front of the other and you will get there.

Sweetie1980 · 24/07/2021 14:46

Thanks..He has also broken things in front of the kids in anger and frequently swears in front of them! I get the feeling he could possibly be doing this for finances as he wants to put me in a poor position. I am also worried he wiki suddenly turn into disney dad with divorce looming.

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updownroundandround · 24/07/2021 15:58

Definitely find yourself an experienced solicitor.

Keep a secret diary of any episodes of his anger/shouting/swearing/breaking things (preferably somewhere away from your home e.g your locker at work or a friends house etc), so that you can evidence his abusive behavior if necessary.

I think your H is assuming that he will 'demand' whatever he wants from you, and that you'll just 'give in', because that's what usually happens, and he's not going to be happy when that doesn't happen.

You need to be safe first and foremost. So quietly and secretly, gather up birth certificates/passports/ copies of financial stuff e.g bank statements/ investments/ pensions etc for both you and him (so he can't hide money or say he doesn't have a pension etc) and keep them safe somewhere away from home too.

Pack a 'go bag' with clothes/medication/phone charger etc for you and the kids and keep it hidden, maybe in your car boot or somewhere similar. You may need to leave in a hurry if he becomes angry at some point, and you wouldn't have time to grab what you'd need.

I'd also refuse to agree to anything he says. Just be non-committal e.g ''I see'', ''really'', ''I'll take that on board'' or ''I'll mention it to my solicitor'' etc because you don't want any 'escalation' of his abuse, which is what can happen whenever you actually try to separate. (Though you'd be amazed at how many of these abusive 'men' actually believe that your solicitor will see things his way Hmm)

Phone Womens Aid for more concrete advice. They are the experts in escaping from abusive relationships, so they'll be full of good advice.

I'd not worry at all about the threats of 50/50, because these 'men' don't want to do any parenting, never mind 50/50. He's just trying to reduce what money you'd get from him, but that's best left up to your solicitor so agree to nothing he 'suggests' or 'demands'.

You will also be entitled to benefits. Make sure you have the Child Benefit going into your bank account (open a new one if you don't have one he might be able to access by 'guessing' your PIN etc).

Apply for Child Tax Credit/ Universal Credit/ Housing Benefit etc as a single parent i.e separated, but still living in the same house.
Also do the Child Maintenance calculator to see what he'll likely have to pay you. He may well also have to pay you Spousal Maintenance as your ability to work is impacted because you have the kids.

Take things one step at a time (I'd start by setting up an appointment with a divorce solicitor and contacting Womens Aid , but be sure and do both when he's not able to hear you, so maybe when you're out of the house).

Good Luck Flowers

Aquamarine1029 · 24/07/2021 16:01

Abusive men like your husband almost always threaten with the 50/50 bullshit. It's simply another weapon to use in their arsenal to try and control you and prevent you from leaving.

Ignore him. This is a man who can't be bothered to do anything for his kids, he will never have 50/50 responsibility.

Sweetie1980 · 24/07/2021 16:16

Thanks for the advice. It's so hard as it is making me feel like I would rather live this to avoid not having my kids half the time.. And I think they would be miserable and unsetted.

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OliveToboogie · 24/07/2021 17:25

He is just saying that to scare you. He doesn't want to look after the kids. Please take all the advice on here. You and your kids deserve so much better than this. If you won't leave for yourself leave for them. He is being abusive to them also.

Sweetie1980 · 24/07/2021 17:32

Thanks for the advice. Is it usually 50/50 re finances if he has joint care of the kids? I have a feeling this is why he is doing it..

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Sweetie1980 · 25/07/2021 09:43

Thanks for all the advice. He really shouted at me this morning in front of my children. I have to take the risk and hope he doesn't get 50/50

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Sweetie1980 · 25/07/2021 09:43

I am shaking so much..

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updownroundandround · 25/07/2021 09:52

@Sweetie1980

You are correct in thinking that he's pushing for you to agree on 50/50 because it would mean he would pay much less child maintenance if he has them 50% of the time.

But actually think about this, because I can assure you HE hasn't thought it through.

Do you really think he'd be happy doing all the housework/laundry/cooking/school runs/packed lunches/ bathtimes/ bedtimes/ school admin/ life admin etc etc for 50% of the time ??

Absolutely, he'll try for 50%, but

  1. He won't get it when he's never been the main caregiver. And both solicitors and the school etc know it.
  2. Even if, by lying his ass off, he did get it, do you really think he'd manage ? No he wouldn't, because he's no bloody clue how much work it is ! And it would put a severe dent in his free time, not to mention his availability for dating Hmm. So he'd very quickly decide that work is too busy etc, and then the whole 50/50 deal would need to be reassessed by your solicitor.

Do not think that it could ever be 'better' for you or your DC to 'stay as you are' !
Staying in an abusive relationship will always be worse than leaving it !

At least you can give your DC a safe and supportive home when they're with you. A home rather than just a 'house'. A home where they are happy and comfortable, knowing that nothing bad or abusive is ever going to happen.
You cannot ever give them that if you stay with the abuser !

GreenWasabi · 25/07/2021 10:03

Totally agree with PP you would end up with them anyway, as the reality of 50/50 is very different to how he imagines...and you wouldn't be 'helping' him in any way when it was his turn.
He wouldn't last more than a few days, try to picture him doing everything for them : cooking, cleaning, washing clothes etc etc I suspect he doesn't do a lot with you being the SAHM
It's enough to end it that you know he is saying 50/50 as money is his motivator rather than being desperate to be with them...says a lot.

Sweetie1980 · 03/08/2021 19:59

Thanks for all the advice everyone. Just a quick question if I do an online divorce can I use a solicitor to help with children and finances. I don't have a great deal if savings. I am so anxious about it all and can't sleep so just trying to survive the day .

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GreenWasabi · 03/08/2021 20:38

I wouldn't do an online one, usually they are for mutually agreed situations, you need a really good one who can use a forensic accountant if your H tries to pull the wool over your eyes. Once you've seen one you will feel much better than you do now, do you know any one who could recommend one without your H knowing ?

GreenWasabi · 03/08/2021 20:40

Also, if there is a particularly well known good solicitor where you live, get an appointment ASAP as once you consult with them they are then 'yours' and can't be engaged by him.

GreenWasabi · 03/08/2021 20:41

Sorry to keep remembering things! Also don't worry about your savings not covering it, your settlement will cover it.

Sweetie1980 · 03/08/2021 21:40

Thanks for the advice. I was hoping that I could just use a solicitor for the other stuff as he has agreed to the divorce ..last year I did use one for the petition and then I stupidly freaked out and paused it , I do not know why I did that ! He didn’t like the truth in the petition so it ended up costing me a fortune , I have been trying to do this for a while Confused

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Sweetie1980 · 10/08/2021 18:34

The petition is submitted now , he is still demanding 50/50. Does anyone have any experience of this and how this would play out in court . I am so worried as my children would not like this arrangement and would have to take all his work stress .

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BettyBakesBuns · 10/08/2021 18:41

Call his bluff and make out you're looking forward to having lots more free time to socialise, take up new hobbies etc. He'll hate that. There's no way he's going for 50/50 in reality.

Sweetie1980 · 10/08/2021 18:50

Thanks ... I have heard judges are agreeing to this more and it’s becoming the norm , so far this summer holiday he hasn’t offered to take them out once !

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Sweetie1980 · 10/08/2021 19:54

Has anyone been through similar recently ?

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Sweetie1980 · 13/08/2021 06:44

Can anyone recommend one in the Surrey /London area ? My son is 10 , will he get any kind of say as to where he lives ?

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Sweetie1980 · 14/08/2021 12:02

Just bumping in case anyone has been through similar .

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Sweetie1980 · 14/08/2021 15:54

He has just been really shouting at my son now. I am so scared he will get 50/50 and my kids will be miserable .

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PerseverancePays · 14/08/2021 16:26

It sounds to me like he is stressing you out over the 50/50 so you have less focus on getting a fair deal. A bit like spinning you round and round before a test to see if you can walk in a straight line. He sounds like a bully using intimidating tactics to bully you into submission.
It is unlikely that he will get 50/50 because there is no evidence to support it. You do need a good solicitor who specialises in this stuff though. It’s expensive, and you might rack up some debt, but it will be so worth it.
I hope you get more knowledgable people on soon to support you through this, lots have done it and you can too.
In the mean time, the usual advice is don’t do anything for him, keep all your plans to yourself, hide financial evidence and important documents at a friend or family’s house.
I did it years ago, on benefits , with no family help at all, and I was so relieved when I finally closed my own door and it was over. Of course there was still the stress of contact and his unhinged new girlfriend, but I didn’t live with him anymore, so it was worth it.
Wishing you all the strength and luck in the world. 🌻