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Partner MASSIVELY lied about all his sexual past, plus other little things. I have just broke up with him

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Lila1990 · 14/07/2021 15:02

I am a 31 year old woman and I have recently split with my boyfriend (he is 28) after I realised that we couldn’t solve the issue he has with being honest. We were together for 3 years and lived together for 2. Our cultural differences also contributed a lot to this (we are from two different countries).

He was the most caring and compassionate boyfriend I ever had. He was my best friend, the first person I always asked for advice and help, and I was the same for him. Always putting my needs first, a great romantic and affectionate lover with a big heart. I have been very spoilt in the last 3 years as he always treated me like a princess. He always been very loving and respectful with me, wanted to marry me soon and have kids in the next couple of years.

However, for some reason, when we moved together after one year of relationship, I started to have a terrible gut feeling and felt that he wasn’t completely honest with me. I started to have anxiety problems and started to go to therapy, thinking that I was crazy and the fault was only mine. I have also started to be more investigative and jealous with him, sometimes for no apparent reason. I have thought that my parents relationship (where my dad has been cheating on my mum for years) really affected my ability to trust men and that I needed to fix that as I had an amazing boyfriend next to me.

However this did not explain why I did not have the same fears with my previous boyfriend whom I lived together for almost 5 years, and with the boyfriend before him. Of course I was moderately jealous (as most of latin passionate people are !) but I never ever had a single trust issue with them.

Over the years, I have realised that my boyfriend has lied to me many many times, mostly little, but MASSIVELY lied about ALL his sexual past.

I have to admit that I am a bit the iper sensitive woman who gets upset easily, but also to add that I mainly became this way after the first year. In the beginning of the relationship especially, I was very relaxed so I don’t understand why he felt the need to lie to that extent.

I could sometimes justify men’s lies if they have a iper sensitive woman as a girlfriend. But what about if the way they lie is actually more worrying that the lie itself? What about if they deny evidences and make many false promises ? And what about if the extent they lie is just quite remarkable?

I give some more specific example on what happened with us:

  1. On our first dates, I asked him if he ever paid for sex. He denied it saying that he never needed it and find it disgusting. As I am really against prostitution and this is my biggest dealbreaker (but he didn’t know that in the beginning) I have asked this question multiple times to him in the last 3 years(I just felt he wasn’t honest) he always ALWAYS denied and promises 10000 times he did not. 3 years later I found out that he did in the past in several occasions, and seems like he cheated on his ex girlfriend with prostitutes on a trip to Thailand (he told me he left this girlfriend because she cheated on him, “forgetting“ to say that he did it first). He even lied on his previous girlfriend as well, saying he never cheated on anyone. I have found out he also cheated on her many times (he was really young though).
  1. As I come from a culture where hooking up and having sex around with strangers is very unusual, the first date I have asked him (always in a non judgement way) how his sexual past was, without wanting specific details or numbers. He told me that “he wasn’t a saint but he wasn’t that bad”. Months later he even added that “he was never a one night stand person“, and mostly slept with girls after having dated them. He even been slightly annoyed when I told him the number of my sexual partners, which is relatively low. Few days ago I find out the he had sex with 300/400 girls -all one night stands (he previously told me his number was about 30 in total!). I know this sounds crazy but it is very possible as he worked 6 seasons abroad in a party place, and because I have also worked a season there, I know how the situation is. He also denied having done anything too crazy (sexually) then I discovered he had threesome, orgies, sex in toilets with random strangers etc.
  1. He came back home multiple occasions lying to me on his occasional cocaine use. I have a past experience with drug use so I have always caught him! Sometimes he even strongly denies the evidences then confessed hours after. I have proved him that I would not get upset if he told me and that I just needed to know the truth in case I’ve asked, but still kept lying.

These are just few examples but there are more. The thing that worries me most is the way he lies, which I find quite manipulative: he promises me (the fake) on his family’s life, he tells me things like “you know I would never do that to you , I can tell you anything as you are my best friend, you can trust me” followed by another lie. Basically he builds massive stories around the lies he tells. He is good at it, but my gut instinct is stronger than his ability to lie.

He got upset because “the past is the past” and I cannot “deal with his past”. What about if I never had the chance to deal with his past as it was hidden from me for 3 years? I am not saying people should be completely honest about their sexual history in the beginning of the relationship, but at least they should give a good accountability on what happened, so that the partner can choose if they even want to deal with it or not and rather date someone else.

I don’t want to judge people, but I think I had the right to choose which kind of man I wanted as my future husband, and I never wanted someone who paid for a prostitute. He knew I felt so strong about it but kept denying. I feel like he forced me to be together 3 years with someone I did not want to be with. He said he did it out of love, but I think that real love should be thinking about the other person’s needs first.

The way I found out all these things is definitely not honourable: I have checked his phone multiple times in the last few months, after I have realised he wasn’t honest with me. I am very embarrassed about that, as I have never ever did it in my previous relationships and I don’t want to be that person. The old messages I found (when he was around 19 to 23) were also very disrespectful towards women, calling them with all possible names and sharing nude pictures of them with all his friends. Some of them were also a bit racist. Do all guys to this between them? I have also been more childish in the past, but my core values have always been the same.

Last month we had a massive argument for the same reason explained above. He promised me he would stop lying and go to therapy, he never did. He knew it was the last chance I would give him. Few days ago ago I discovered more lies and I have broken up with him. We are not talking in 5 days and it never happened before.

However, guilt and sadness are killing me and I don’t know if I did the right choice. I really want to get married and have a family, and I feel I’m getting older and I have just failed in another relationship. I just don’t really want a man like my dad and I don’t want to take the risk! I am also aware that I get upset easily and I haven’t always put him in the position of being honest with me. I am so worried I have made the biggest mistake of my life and lost my soulmate and best friend.
Ps: I am registered on here because we were actually trying to have a baby, you can imagine the stress I’m going trough knowing that all of this is over.

Thank you very much if you would like to take the time to help me.

Lila

OP posts:
Aquamarine1029 · 14/07/2021 15:53

However I would never have known things if I didn’t…I just always had this gut feeling!

Next time, never ignore your gut feelings. They are usually right.

Lila1990 · 14/07/2021 15:57

I have now learned the lesson !

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Lila1990 · 14/07/2021 16:09

I always thought that people don’t change.. especially if they don’t even put the effort

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Calmdown14 · 14/07/2021 16:35

He wasn't your ideal match, he was just skilled in telling you what you wanted to hear.
I'm sure he has nice qualities too but he is clearly weak and good at lying.
These characteristics will never end well in a relationship.
So glad you are not tied to him with a child.
You'll find someone who shares your own values and you have learned important life lessons. Don't regret it. He was right for that stage in your life but as you look to move to the next one, he isn't the person to do this with

minniemouseshouses · 14/07/2021 18:11

Im so sorry OP. Leaving him is probably the best decision you’ve made for yourself in years! I’m your age, we have time to find great men and have babies if we want. (Not to be a bore, but I’d also echo the STI check. I was with a guy (not ex husband) that used prostitutes and my gp the risk of infection is so high due to lack of condom use in oral sex, for example. Just worth getting out of the way before your new, fun life begins with out this bastard Flowers)

Beamur · 14/07/2021 18:16

You knew he was not honest - your instincts were spot on. Everyone has a past but he chose to lie to you and keep lying.
You definitely did the right thing.

Lila1990 · 14/07/2021 18:23

Hi ! Yeah I will the gynaecologist in the next few days so I can get it done… not only the prostitutes but even the amount of people he’s been with is worrying enough…thanks for the support

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minniemouseshouses · 14/07/2021 18:48

You will be fine OP. Stay strong. Flowers

Regularsizedrudy · 14/07/2021 19:54

He’s a prostitute user and a coke head. You are well rid of him. He’s lied to you because he knows the real him is a bad person. Run and don’t look back.

Deathgrip · 14/07/2021 20:34

You’re lucky you found out now before you had a baby.

You think he’s your soul mate because he’s completely fabricated a person you feel that way about - anyone can pretend to be perfect. The lies are one thing, but making you think you’re crazy is the worst part.

You can do far better than him.

Cloudninenine · 14/07/2021 20:50

100% the right decision - no doubt about it.

The sadness will pass in time. Look after yourself in the meantime.

ThirstyWork · 14/07/2021 21:39

Oh my gosh, I could have written this post about my EX-husband and me. Emphasis on the EX, from the lying about employing sex-workers, to sexual experience, to drug use, to the 'little' lies.

Let me state this very clearly: please do not wait around for this man to change. He might do, one day, but it probably won't be whilst he's with you and the dynamic you have between you both.

Of course, we're all free to make our choices with regards to whom we love, but I can pretty much guarantee you that if you stay in a relationship with him, you'll spend years, years, years, second-guessing/doubting yourself and your sanity. You'll feel increasingly miserable, all because you want to see the best in someone, who quite frankly, does not deserve you, or your open heart.
Go with your gut feeling. Does the ides of staying with this man, long term, fill you with lightness and joy? Or does it fill you with fear and a heavy feeling? There are BILLIONS of people on this planet - Choose wisely, my love.

Pikachu2000 · 15/07/2021 00:28

Lila1990, you should trust your instinct and won't go back to that man, nothing good will come out of this relationship, especially with someone who is capable of making so many lies.
I had something a little bit simillar happen to me.
Separated from my child's father few years ago, due to being toxic to each other.
He was emotionally abusive during pregnancy,he had lots of issues with me,not being good cook,cleaner but the biggest issue was, me having other men in the past. Had 2 relationships, and couple of casual dating. It was driving now ex mad,he would get into rage( occasionally drunk) calling me names( slut and whore) because I was casually dating someone without commiting into relationship. ( For example one was 3 months ( summer romance abroad, another 1 year having casually dating someone). He told me he could never sleep with anyone without having feelings for them. He mentioned that he might actually not want someone for a wife like me ( loose I guess)( we were engaged).
Recently was using our child's Ipad,googling, when something came up, which I had to look in the search history:
Teen porn ( exclusively only,no other genre). A lot of Thai teen porn search. Searching for local escorts, local hotels.(occasionally past few years).Searching for local escorts and hotels when he went to see his family abroad with my son. Searching prostitution in Ipswich,it is a red light district in UK, quite grim as well as some years ago, sex workers were killed by serial killer.
Searching for prostitution in Pattaya ,Thailand. Google searched for prices in Pattaya, article 'lasting relationships with bar girls', Thai Mail order bride.
There were other searchers which were nothing illegal but it was concerning. I approach my ex partner,he explained that it is just a fantasy and he done this searches out of boredom. I really doubt it.
Our conversation got intense ,I said to him how could you do these kind of things especially bullying me for having casual dating and him pretending to be a saint who could not have sex with someone without having feelings for. Then he repeated he said that and unless it is a prostitute. What a gaslighter... I had really horrible few months thinking that I have got a child with someone who pretended to be someone else, was disgusted and disappointed with him as he sees women as objects, exploits them. What it makes it worse-his partner before me used to be a sex worker, she was sexually abused( not sure at which stage in life). O would imagine he was a supportive partner helping her to deal with her past traumas...
It made me really sick the thought of him having some kind of addiction using vulnerable women for his own gratification, another one Thailand...to go there for really young women?
Lila1990 I understand how you feel,must be shocking to realize the person you thought you know is a total stranger and not a good person. If he ever tries to get back with you, be a strong woman and set firm boundaries. These kind of people don't change,most likely gets worse with age. Just go No Contact and warn your friends in case he wants to contact you through your friends or family. Stay strong, you will feel better soon x

PickAChew · 15/07/2021 00:34

However you interpret this, you don't feel you can trust him. It's time to quit.

AntiHop · 15/07/2021 00:37

You have absolutely made the right decision. How can you build a life with someone who has lied to you this much?

Lila1990 · 15/07/2021 08:04

Thanks for your message, did he use prostitutes while with you as well? In case of my ex, he only did it before we got together… but he denies it STILL he says he never ever handed money for sex and never will! He admit he’s been with one only in Colombia and didn’t know she was a prostitute (honestly the most ridiculous lie I ever heard!) However I have seen ambiguous messages and if an ex colleague ask you how much is a girl in Colombia, and you answer £50, means that he knows that you paid for sex before!!! Right ?? He wouldn’t ask someone who is against prostitution (like he always told me) of course!

Anyway even a one off time is already massive turn off for me.. plus all the other lies.. I’m out of it. The thing is reading some of your stories make me not wanting a man ever again… I don’t think I could deal with something like this again

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Lila1990 · 15/07/2021 08:12

Hi ! Honestly I feel sick reading this … why teen porn is EVEN legal first of all ?!?! I have always thought that !!! Just to feed pervy and pedos’s minds basically!! I am so sorry that happened to you such a horrible person he was… using your son laptop as well… shocking.

My (now) ex, went to Thailand once when he was 21 with another boy. He just got together with his ex girlfriend at the time. I am not 100% sure he used prostitutes, but ambiguous messages… like one of his friend said “ah that road in Thailand he’s crazy! I woke up with a naked girl the next day in my bed and I’m sure she was a prostitute” my ex replied “ahah that happened to me on a few occasions” , then I read another message sent from my ex “if you pick a Thai girl be careful as they can be very naughty “ and another one where he say “a girl tried to take me home, good thing I realised she was a boy before any of that happened!”. I think these messages are quite ambiguous and make me think YES he paid for sex in Thailand. Probably not with young girls/children (he was 21 anyway) but doesn’t matter really disgusting anyway plus HE HAD A GIRLFRIEND!!! Always denied having cheated on this girlfriend and here we go what he did ! Makes me sick

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IndecentCakes · 15/07/2021 08:17

He sounds quite disgusting. This man is not the person to make you happy as your husband and the father of your children.
It's better to find that out now, even though it hurts. I'm sorry.

Journeynotdestination · 15/07/2021 08:20

Very similar thing happened to me. When I met my ex he seemed like such a good genuine, decent guy, a gentleman! But, like you I felt anxiety and like something wasn’t quite right. I looked at his phone and found out he had used prostitutes, whilst with me, had been a regular on a sex site, whilst with me, and was probably seeing other ex girlfriends too. He had told me huge lies about his past - basically he was a seedy, perverted sex addict. He did coke too.

My anxiety and feelings of unease were spot on. I dumped him and months later discovered he’d met someone lovely…his new soulmate, lol. Looked on the sex site and there he was! Active and still trawling for sex. They never change OP, so don’t think for one minute that the next girl will be treated any differently.

The way he hid his past and lied to me was incredible. He was not a gentleman but a seedy, deviant, lying sex obsessed pervert!!

Drinkingallthewine · 15/07/2021 10:37

An ex of mine admitted using prostitutes before we met. This was long before joining Mumsnet and having a proper think about how damaged you must be to choose sex work -that it's not a choice mentally healthy women typically make, and the realisation that for a large amount of sex workers, there's often little or no choice for them.
So even before I considered all that, I lost a lot of respect for him.

He was a very good looking man, so could have picked out a willing, different woman every night of the week if he wanted. But he wanted a transaction. Possibly even the idea that he 'owned' her for the duration of the visit was what drove him. He admitted to a one time event but over the years I've come to realise that his personality is that of a thrill seeker and he's unlikely to not be a habitual user of sex workers. He gets some sort of emotional high from pushing boundaries or causing drama- it could be low level law-breaking, cheating or setting up friends to fall out with each other. He feeds of chaos and pain of others.

Anyway, after he admitted it, it just never felt right. I naively put the unease down to jealousy on my part, but it wasn't. It was what I later articulated to be a disregard for women.

I'm glad you are home with your family. You are young and this will pass. You will look back someday like I've done and thank the stars that you left that man because it meant you were free to build a life with a wonderful, authentic man.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 15/07/2021 13:18

Ugh thank god you're rid of him.

If anyone texted a partner of mine asking 'how much is a girl in Thailand' and their answer was anything other than 'what the fuck is wrong with you?' / 'you're disgusting, I'm not an arsehole so I have no idea' / 'you can't buy consent oh and they're probably underage and / or vulnerable, you're disgusting ' etc I would leave them.

He's a misogynist who DIDN'T treat you like a princess as you put it, he treated you with contempt by lying to you about all the things he knew were dealbreakers for you. Aka tricking you into consenting to a relationship with him.

No respect for women. From his exes to sex workers to you. Vile.

Thank fuck he's not your problem now.

Pikachu2000 · 15/07/2021 18:42

Lila1990, hopefully next person you meet will be genuine and will be honest with you.
What a sneak that guy was...he knew you are against men exploiting vulnerable women and that it was a deal breaker for you, still lied so much,probably thought his deeds will never surface up.
In my situation I never had a conversation about visiting prostitutes.Im my case I found about his ex working as prostitute at the end of relationship when we were going to separate. I wondered If they met when she was working, I didn't ask anything at that time as there was no point.
Not sure if he visited sex workers when I was expecting and was at home with baby but it is very possible he did as we didn't get on.
Somewhere in the beginning of relationship we had a conversation about my father and a little bit randomly he said 'your father probably was visiting prostitutes when he used to work as a sailor on the ships.'
I replied that maybe he did or maybe he didn't. I said but to be honest at the end I don't think my father would cheat on the mum. My male friends advised that he was probably saying to see how I will react and was testing waters to see if I would tolerate something like that.I thought it was a little bit weird statement from him but didn't think about,now it seems like it was red flag.
Regarding teenage porn,it was legit websites. Those 'teenagers' are actually adult actresses. Apparently it is the most viewed porn genre. I guess it is something men fantasise about a lot...yes it is pervy and ephebophilian ( someone who is attracted to teenagers) But when it is man of the age,it is really wrong and gross..brrrrr.
And all these searches he done was on his phone. Not directly on sons ipad.His Gmail was synced with ipad and as he is not very tech savy,was not aware that Google history from his phone can be seen on Ipad. Thanks God my son didn't type something and those things didn't come up. He is in primary school,I would have a lot of explaining to do plus who knows how he would be effected.
Journeydestination
,I am sorry you went through this. Must been a big shock to find about such betrayal. Especially when he portrayed himself so well. At least you caught him, it seems men are good liars but are not so clever with technology,can't even hide their seedy traces...
I had some anxiety and something in my gut feeling.I admit I was insecure and caused some jealous dramas, thought he fancied 2 his female friends(don't think anything happened)He told me I am crazy and told his friends about it, embarrassing me to those girls..my own fault. It turns out gut feeling was not friends,it was some kind of sick addiction to sex workers.

newnortherner111 · 15/07/2021 18:53

Painful as it is, you have made the right choice.

EarthSight · 15/07/2021 19:23

You DEFINITELY did the right thing. I don't think you really knew him. He knew what he chose to show you, but your gut instinct was telling you there was more to discover, and you were right. I think he's lied to you and reassured you for a long time.

So often, cocaine and prostitutes go together. You've had a lucky escape, but it doesn't feel like luck when someone has wasted your time like this and that it went on for so long. The cocaine, prostitutes and degrading messages about women are bad enough, but I have a feeling that if you had married him and had children, you would have experienced much worse.

EarthSight · 15/07/2021 19:28

@Drinkingallthewine

An ex of mine admitted using prostitutes before we met. This was long before joining Mumsnet and having a proper think about how damaged you must be to choose sex work -that it's not a choice mentally healthy women typically make, and the realisation that for a large amount of sex workers, there's often little or no choice for them. So even before I considered all that, I lost a lot of respect for him.

He was a very good looking man, so could have picked out a willing, different woman every night of the week if he wanted. But he wanted a transaction. Possibly even the idea that he 'owned' her for the duration of the visit was what drove him. He admitted to a one time event but over the years I've come to realise that his personality is that of a thrill seeker and he's unlikely to not be a habitual user of sex workers. He gets some sort of emotional high from pushing boundaries or causing drama- it could be low level law-breaking, cheating or setting up friends to fall out with each other. He feeds of chaos and pain of others.

Anyway, after he admitted it, it just never felt right. I naively put the unease down to jealousy on my part, but it wasn't. It was what I later articulated to be a disregard for women.

I'm glad you are home with your family. You are young and this will pass. You will look back someday like I've done and thank the stars that you left that man because it meant you were free to build a life with a wonderful, authentic man.

@drinkingallthewine Could he not have picked something else?? Like sky diving, paragliding or some other extreme sport?