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Love or infatuation/ lust? How do you know?

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RillHunner · 27/06/2021 14:08

Just that really.

I’m so confused.

Can you trust your instinct?
Can you think it’s love when it’s really infatuation?
How can you tell the difference?
What are the markers of love?
Is love rational?
Can you love someone if you don’t fully know them?

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xsquared · 27/06/2021 14:26

You can't love someone you don't know. That belongs to fairy tales and Romeo and Juliet.

The only people who I fell in love with at first sight were ds and dd when they were born.

Infatuation is more like an obsession with someone and the feeling that you get when you are initially attracted to an idealised version of them.

Love is something that grows over time as you get to know one another, you respect each other, enjoy each other's company more than any other person, are able to be honest and vulnerable to each other and are each other's best friend.
There may be times where you will need to act selflessly for the other person but not in a doormat way.

Is someone you barely knows tells you they love you and you mean the world to them, I would be very wary. That is lovebombing and although it might make you feel good, it is done for selfish reasons.

RillHunner · 27/06/2021 14:31

It’s about whether I love them...

We speak most days. They offer support. We are honest & open.

They say I need more than they can offer (so if it is love it is unreciprocated...)

I am in a dilemma over my feelings.I think I am in love. It’s not just physical, I’m attracted to the intelligence & personality as well as looks.

They are kind, patient, responsive.

So definitely a good friend.

I don’t know if I should be honest about how I feel... or if what I’m feeling even is love.

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BabCNesbitt · 27/06/2021 14:51

I think how you label it is not really relevant here; it’s not as if they’re going to change their position about a relationship if you decide it’s love rather than infatuation. The issue is more, how do you feel about continuing a relationship with this person when it can never be what you want?

RillHunner · 27/06/2021 14:58

I’m confused about how I feel.

I don’t know if it’s love. If it is, it will be hard to be just friends. If it isn’t I suppose the feeling may pass, and the friendship continue.

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TossaCoinToYerWitcher · 27/06/2021 14:59

They say I need more than they can offer

Alarm bells. The only people who say this tend to be emotionally avoidant types or commitmentphobes who can roll out “well, I told you what I was like” when you discover they’ve been seeing someone else as well. That, or it’s his way of letting you down gently.

And, honestly, OP in any of these situations you’re likely feeling infatuation or limerance - because nothing feeds both of these more than something that’s dangled just out of reach. Or that you want but are told you can’t get. Trust me, I’ve been there.

xsquared · 27/06/2021 15:03

@RillHunner

If you disclose your feelings to them, then you would have to be prepared that they may not reciprocate and you would have to respect that. A friendship with the opposite sex changes once one of you develop feelings and the other doesn't.

I've said before that you can't love someone you don't know very well so I am guessing that you are intensely attracted to this person and you like them very much. If you genuinely love that person, are you willing to walk away with your dignity intact and leave them in peace, if they don't reciprocate ?

RillHunner · 27/06/2021 15:19

@xsquared - yes.

I would very much miss not having them in my life though.

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MadMadMadamMim · 27/06/2021 15:23

They say I need more than they can offer (so if it is love it is unreciprocated...)

Then you need to cut them out of your life. It is irrelevant if it is love or infatuation - they don't feel the same about you and you are heading for misery.

It will be painful in the short term, but much better for you to end things now. You can't be friends with someone you feel much more for. Relationships of any sort need to be equal - and this one isn't. You are hoping for a romantic/emotional connection and they have told you they don't feel it.

mistermagpie · 27/06/2021 15:25

I don't really think you can be 'in love' with someone if they don't reciprocate. In my mind you're either 'in love' together or not, it's a sort of mutual thing to me.

You can absolutely be infatuated with someone and it not be reciprocated though.

RillHunner · 27/06/2021 15:45

@mistermagpie I think you can feel love - even if it’s not reciprocated..?

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RillHunner · 27/06/2021 15:47

I’m interested in knowing how I feel. Regardless of whether it’s reciprocated or not.

I mean, in future if I feel this way about someone says they DO love me, I still won’t know if it’s love that I’m feeling. Does that make sense..?!

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RillHunner · 27/06/2021 15:49

What I’m trying to say is how can you know it is love that you’re feeling, and not something else.

What is love?

This feeling I have isn’t selfish - ie you don’t love me so I won’t love you.

It’s almost the opposite. “I love you even if you don’t love me. I want you to be happy. I will walk away. A part of you will always stay with me...” kind of thing.

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RillHunner · 27/06/2021 15:51

@MadMadMadamMim - do you really think the friendship is unsustainable?

I haven’t told them how I feel yet.

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TossaCoinToYerWitcher · 27/06/2021 15:53

OP, different people have different ideas of what “love” is. But, for me, an absolutely essential aspect is it’s reciprocal.

Love isn’t something that’s forced on you. It’s a flow of feeling that occurs when two people connect and purposefully deepen that connection to bring about true intimacy.

Now, you might feel that potential connection is there. That it could be deepened to allow that flow of feeling to take place. But so long as one person puts up barriers, it’s never going to be true love because true intimacy can’t be achieved.

RillHunner · 27/06/2021 15:58

@TossaCoinToYerWitcher but what about when relationships fail, eg parental relationships- you might still love a child when they go no contact for example..?

I’m not sure love necessarily has to be reciprocated in order to be felt.

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TossaCoinToYerWitcher · 27/06/2021 16:01

Family love is different though. If it wasn’t “I love more like a brother” would be a good thing rather than being grounds for ending a relationship, like I read in here all the time! 😁

RillHunner · 27/06/2021 16:03

@TossaCoinToYerWitcher true...

But I still think I am not sure what love feels like.

The other person / situation in question here is a red herring.

How do you know if what you feel for someone is love?

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TossaCoinToYerWitcher · 27/06/2021 16:16

You’re asking the wrong question. Your question should be “does this person deserve my love?” With my kids, that’s different - I’m 50% responsible for them being in this world. They share my DNA. That’s deep stuff, so of course I think they deserve it and they’d likely get it on a primal level regardless.

With partners, you’ve got a subconscious radar that appraises people you meet - if someone ticks the boxes for what it considers what might be a good mate then it’ll ring a bell to alert you that fact. If you decide your open to pursuing them, then your brain starts kicking out hormones that literally make you high. This is why we get crazy for that “honeymoon” period. It drives us to mate and produce kids. This is where it sounds you are at.

After a few years or so - long enough that, from an evolutionary point of view, you might have had kids - these hormones die away and are replaced by a less intense “cosy” hormone. For some, this encourages a more cosy family experience. But for others, it’s a come-down from the heady rush of the original hormones so they often cheat or leave for someone else to feel them again. For these people “love” is only being under the influence of the initial hormones and the cosy hormones are being “more like best mates”.

RillHunner · 27/06/2021 16:58

The question I should have asked is this:

“What is love and how do you know if you love someone & are in love? “

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MyShoelaceIsUndone · 27/06/2021 17:12

Myself and a work colleague had a full blown argument in Jan and he was so shouty and I shouted back , it was a two-way argument and after I’d left work I thought OMFG he is so hot! I’ve been having extremely inappropriate thoughts about him ever since!

CautiousBlonde · 27/06/2021 17:40

Of course it does not have to be reciprocated ffs

Wtf is wrong with some people? Confused

TossaCoinToYerWitcher · 27/06/2021 17:52

@RillHunner

The question I should have asked is this:

“What is love and how do you know if you love someone & are in love? “

Like I said, different people will have different interpretations!

But as a rule of thumb, it helps to seperate "in love" from "loving someone". Generally people talk about being "in love" when they're wrapped up in the intoxication of the early romance. But, even then, you can only really be "in love" with someone if you know them fairly well. If you don't, its infatuation - because what you're "loving" is partly an illusion and an idealisation.

Loving someone is different - and can include platonic love. You love them and care about them because you've got to know them and likely bonded over things or been through challenges together. You respect them and care about them, partly (and this is where reciprocity comes in) because you get the sense they'd do the same for you. You've got their back and you know they'd do the same for you, if they had the chance. You "get" each other and feel immesley at ease with each other. Love should feel effortless - if its dramatic and painful, like something out of Wuthering Heights, then its either infatuation or a trauma bond.

To a certain extent, hormones make it difficult to just stop being "in love" with someone who doesn't reciprocrate or who is bad for us - but we can try our best to give our head a shake and not indulge a lost cause. Going no contact is the best way to break the spell - the hormones will die off eventually. Again, I speak from experience.

"Loving someone" could be seen as being fairly out of our hands too - but it feels less like an addiction, more a deep sense of comfort and calm, like a snuggly blanket. And it comes from knowing how much you value someone. Now, someone can be free to highly value someone who treats them like dirt or doesn't value them the same. However, I'd politely suggest that person may need therapy - why would you prioritise someone so lacking and not someone who values you back and gives you the same in return? Again, this isn't like kids or parents where kinship is involved.

TossaCoinToYerWitcher · 27/06/2021 17:58

@CautiousBlonde

Of course it does not have to be reciprocated ffs

Wtf is wrong with some people? Confused

Wtf is wrong? Seriously? Maybe I just choose to only fall for people who I feel are likely to give the same back in kind, rather than waste my emotional energy on a brick wall.

To each their own though. shrugs

Littlepaws18 · 27/06/2021 18:08

Love lasts lust fades... if you feel the way you did the first time you met 5, 10, 15,20 years down the line it's love!

It's also looking after one another, respecting each other, being there for each other but enjoying each other's company! It's taken me a long time to find my soulmate, but he is absolutely perfect for me and I am for him.... we could be nightmares for others though!

RillHunner · 27/06/2021 19:12

@Littlepaws18 - I get that love lasts. But you can’t wait 10 years to discover if you love someone... how do you tell at the outset if it’s a lasting feeling.

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