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Granny's not invited

31 replies

BroccoliSpears · 22/11/2007 13:40

My parents live overseas.
My Granny, my siblings and I all live in UK, but spread out around the country. One brother lives very near Granny.

My Granny is in her eighties, increasingly frail and forgetful. She lives in her house still, and manages. She has lots of friends and loves where she lives.

My parents are not interested in Granny. (She is my mother's mother). They have admitted to me that they just don't like her much. My father is quite open about his dislike of her. My mother feels anxious and guilty and "does what she has to" but out of a sense of obligation. My granny is not enormously fond of my father either, but has no idea that her relationship with my mother (her daughter) is anything other than wonderful. She genuinely believes that they get on famously, as they did when my mother was younger.

I do what I can. I phone Granny a few times a week, and she feels comfortable phoning me every day (sometimes lots of times a day ) if she wants to. We have her to stay for weekends. She came for Easter and is coming for Christmas. My parents get a bit irritated with me for this, as they think that Granny is their "responsibility" and I shouldn't be playing the martyr and doing their job. I can't make them understand that I'm not playing the martyr - that I actually like Granny and enjoy her company. Also, to be frank, they are not doing their job - they don't check on her, they don't have her to stay. They last saw her last Christmas when she went to visit them.

Granny is no saint of course. She's a lonely old lady who gets a bit bored and likes to stir things up a bit. I know that she likes to play the victim and give me the impression that my mum never phones her and won't let her phone them, which isn't true.

So, my parents are coming to see us for the weekend next year. It's their first visit to the UK for a couple of years. My brother who lives very near Granny has said that he'll come up to see them while they're with us. Great. Am looking forward to it.

Except.

Granny's not invited.

If I bring this up with anyone in the family they'll say "oh Granny's fine, she doesn't need to be included in everything, there's no room anyway and she'll just take over. Leave it". It's true that having Granny along would completely alter the whole weekend. She follows my mum around and talks incessantly about people from their village 50 years ago. My parents are so so so looking forward to coming and seeing their granddaughter (for the third time ever) and spending time with DP and I and catching up. If Granny comes my father will get the hump, my mum will be on edge, my brother probably won't come... Granny really doesn't ever stop talking, so there will be no space for a catch up with my parents and no space for them to spend time with dd.

But, on the other hand, how on earth can I have my parents and my brother (who will drive past Granny's front door to get here) without including her? She would absolutely adore to come, would love to see my mum again. She doesn't mean to be annoying.

I suppose I just don't find her as annoying as other people in the family do. I refuse to be a party to the apparently accepted attitude in my family of making Granny a second class citizen, but I'm scared of doing the right thing and inviting her, when it will essentially be ruining a weekend that my parents and brother (and I) am really looking forward to.

I'm really churned up about this and wondered if a third party oppinion might help me decide what to do.

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CarGirl · 22/11/2007 13:47

It's your house so you can invite who you want to. I would suggest that you explain to your parents that you understand how they feel but if they are not prepared to go and visit your granny at some point whilst they are in the UK then you will be inviting granny to the weekend.

I am really they would come the UK and not visit her!

OrmIrian · 22/11/2007 13:50

Agree with cargirl. It's your house and you can invite who you will. Unreasonable to expect you to cut her out of your life to suit your family.

Mercy · 22/11/2007 13:51

Goodness me, what a situation.

Is there any chance Granny could come for just a couple of hours? Or could your parents stay for longer than just one weekend, giving you all enough time to catch up?

I can't really think what else to suggest tbh, but I feel for you and your Granny.

WildSeahorses · 22/11/2007 13:53

I sympathise - it's really awkward when your relatives don't get on well together. Your parents will be there for a whole weekend, could granny perhaps visit on one of the days. Then she will get the chance to see her daughter and you will also get some time to catch up with your brother and parents and give them some time with your dd.

WildSeahorses · 22/11/2007 13:54

Sorry, cross-posted with Mercy

Tommy · 22/11/2007 13:57

I agree - it's your house - you invite who you like. If they are there for the whole weekend, surely your brother can bring Granny for one or half a day?

BroccoliSpears · 22/11/2007 14:02

Thank you for the sympathy.

I have been thinking about Granny coming for part of the time. IT seems an ideal solution. The sticking point is that Granny and brother would be driving 4 hours to get here, and my parents are only here for two complete days (arrive late on Friday and leave early Monday). I'll talk to my brother about that possibility.

Families, eh?

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DooDoDooDoDoMaNuhMaNuh · 22/11/2007 14:04

Can you go back with them and drop in on Granny on the way? All of you? Or take her out for lunch?

LaCerbiatta · 22/11/2007 14:04

How horrible of your mother!!! It's her mother for crying out loud! Can you just discard a close family member because they're annoying? What would your mother think if you did the same to her, drive past her door and not even visit?

I know it's not an easy situation for you and but it is your house and you should not have to feel pressurised into not inviting who you want to.

I feel sorry for you and hpoe it turns out well int he end.

potoftea · 22/11/2007 14:20

Looks like I am in a minority here, but....I know you love your granny very much and want to make her happy, but for whatever reason the other people involved here do not want to be with her, and you have said she is going to totally change the dynamics of the visit.

You have done so much for her, but you also have a duty or a right to spend time having a good relationship with your immediate family, and as you don't see your parents as often as you see your granny, I do think you should do everything you can to make this a good visit for you all.

Your parents want to build a relationship with their gd also, and won't get the chance if your granny takes over this visit.

I really do feel sorry for you, as you obviously want to do the best for everyone here, so good luck with whatever you do.
Hope I don't sound too heartless.

DooDoDooDoDoMaNuhMaNuh · 22/11/2007 14:23

POT, I think it's not going to be a good idea to force Granny on them for the whole visit either - but I do think that's unkind of BS's family.

margoandjerry · 22/11/2007 14:33

I think it's pretty awful that a grown adult would behave like this and effectively ignore their duty to their mother who is elderly, frail, lonely and by all accounts, not a bitch but maybe just a bit of a bore.

I really feel for you in this but I'd be inclined to be hardline. How can you expect your daughter to show respect to your mother, and in turn to you, if your mother can't show respect to hers?

I know mumsnet is all about bringing up children but sometimes I find the difference between the way we refer to members of the family who are old and members of the family who are young quite amazing. Imagine if the person you are referring to was a child, or a difficult teenager. The answer would be - you must invite her...it's important to be inclusive...everyone has to accomodate her...that's what family is all about etc etc.

Sounds to me as though you are the only one coming out of this with any honour.

bozza · 22/11/2007 14:42

Poor you. I am also at your parents? How far away abroad are they? That they would visit this country for the first time in two years and not even take the time to visit their aged mother. Is there no way they could stay for longer? Is your brother coming for all the weekend? Could he come on the Saturday afternoon or evening and then your Granny could stay on a few days afterwards? Then you could have the chore of taking her back the following weekend, I suppose.

OrmIrian · 22/11/2007 14:44

"but sometimes I find the difference between the way we refer to members of the family who are old and members of the family who are young quite amazing"

Quite.

Bearing in mind we're all going to be old dears at some point. I hope my children will have more time and respect for me

BroccoliSpears · 22/11/2007 14:50

Interesting stuff in yesterday's Times on this very subject. It really saddens me to witness my parents' attitude to my Granny, and particularly so because apart from this, my parents are kind and loving people - educated, generous - normal! It baffles me. There is a very strange culture of dismissing the older generation.

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talktothebees · 22/11/2007 15:07

I might have misunderstood here but are your parents coming to the UK and not visiting Granny at all?

BroccoliSpears · 22/11/2007 15:17

That's right TTTBees. You've not misunderstood.

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talktothebees · 22/11/2007 15:37

Won't Granny think that's a bit odd? She might be old and a bit confused but she's not stupid, she's still going to see that as rejection isn't she? I'm a bit and very . I don't know what to say really (so why post you blinking idiot?). I suppose I'm just thinking about my own 80 year old nan who sounds much like yours and can be a bit wearing but she still gets included in all family things. She absents herself sometimes because she's not up to it but to not invite her at all would seem unnecessarily cruel.

Difficult this as its their visit but your house, so although it's your parents who don't want to see her, I think it would absolutely feel to Granny as though you were also rejecting her. Unless you can use house room or the things you plan to do as practical reasons why it would be difficult to invite her.

CarGirl · 22/11/2007 15:41

why are your parents only here 2 days (seem odd to me they are desperate to see your dd but can only spare 2 days after travelling all that way??)

I do find the older generation hard work but I always try to remember that I will be old and wrinkly one day!

DooDoDooDoDoMaNuhMaNuh · 22/11/2007 15:41

Can you ask your mum how she'd feel in future if you did the same to her?

jesuswhatnext · 22/11/2007 15:42

i think your parents need reminding that 'what goes round comes round'

they are expecting you to ignore, dis-respect etc. granny as they do!

lets hope that your dcs, whom they seem to have minimal contact with, feel as you do about granny when they are old!

BroccoliSpears · 22/11/2007 20:12

I am pleased I posted this now, because both sides of the dilemma have been summed up and supported (one more supported than the other). I am not much closer to the right answer, but I feel reassured that I'm not fretting about nothing or ignoring an obvious solution.

PotofTea - thank you for being in the minority and saying what you thought.

I think I will explore my brother bringing Granny for part of the time, if at all possible.

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lilymylovely · 22/11/2007 20:30

Does your brother really need to come?
Why not suggest that your parents come to
and granny and go mon am?!
Simple?

lilymylovely · 22/11/2007 20:32

Does your brother really need to come?
Why not suggest that your parents come to you on fri pm til sun am and then go to see your broher and granny sun lunch, stay overnight and go mon am?!
Simple?

morningpaper · 22/11/2007 20:35

I think I agree with potoftea