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Leaving dp but starting to think I should stay

58 replies

Kaylasmum49 · 21/06/2021 11:00

I have posted a number of times over the years about my relationship with my partner. He has been physically and emotionally abusive over the years but I am not blameless either. I have lashed out at him when I have felt threatened and I am very ashamed by that.

I have been placed on the strategic list for urgent housing so shouldn't have too long to wait. We have 2 dcs together aged 17 and 14. My 14 yo ds is currently being assessed for autism with the high likelihood that he will receive a diagnosis. He also suffers from severe anxiety, school refusal, social communication problems etc. I haven't told him we are separating as I want to make sure that everything is in place first.

But, I'm starting to think that I should just stay. My partner has violent outbursts when we have an arguement, not every time but at least once a month. He has punched/kicked walls, thrown things, threatened to punch me, admits that he likes to wind me up and messes with my head. His latest was to hold a lighter to the bottom of my cardigan and when I asked him what he was doing he said (I'm setting you alight) he did this in front of my 17 year old dd! He later said there was no flame in the lighter and that he was trying to burn a loose thread from my cardigan. We had had an arguement a short while before the incident.

I think that because things are calm atm that maybe I'm just overreacting.

OP posts:
Divebar2021 · 21/06/2021 18:43

Have your children been witness to this their whole lives?

Aria999 · 21/06/2021 18:45

It isn't possible to 'make' someone abusive.

You might make someone annoyed, make them leave you, even possibly make them defend themselves against you if you hit them, but a normal person will not react to stress by being abusive.

Also this is such an abusers cliche. They all say it.

Lilymossflower · 21/06/2021 19:09

I've been in your situation and I left. Because women and children die from staying. It was hard and I know you're feelings but I cannot tell you enough that when you look back you will see leaving is the best thing you ever did. You get your life back.

lilyofthewasteland · 21/06/2021 19:14

Leave.

lilyofthewasteland · 21/06/2021 19:16

Did you know that the symptoms of developmental trauma mimic autism? That is noted in the literature by trauma experts, using that phrasing. It is highly likely your son is actually exhibiting how traumatised he is.

Both of your children must be living with phenomenal amounts of trauma by now.

Twilow · 21/06/2021 20:01

@lilyofthewasteland

Did you know that the symptoms of developmental trauma mimic autism? That is noted in the literature by trauma experts, using that phrasing. It is highly likely your son is actually exhibiting how traumatised he is.

Both of your children must be living with phenomenal amounts of trauma by now.

Do you have any further reading on this please? I think it may apply to me (my upbringing).

Also @MNHQ I clicked report instead of quote, sorry!

Kaylasmum49 · 21/06/2021 20:43

lilyofthewasteland I understand what you are saying but I disagree. My ds hasn't really been exposed to his father's behaviour to any great extent. Most of the behaviour is around me only. My ds has sensory processing difficulties, social communication difficulties, unable to make friends, is very literal in his thinking along with a number of other autistic traits. I'm not saying that he won't have picked up on our arguments at all but I have done my best to protect my dcs from their father's behaviour. I would contribute some of his anxiety to our relationship but only to an extent.

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lilyofthewasteland · 21/06/2021 20:54

@Kaylasmum49

lilyofthewasteland I understand what you are saying but I disagree. My ds hasn't really been exposed to his father's behaviour to any great extent. Most of the behaviour is around me only. My ds has sensory processing difficulties, social communication difficulties, unable to make friends, is very literal in his thinking along with a number of other autistic traits. I'm not saying that he won't have picked up on our arguments at all but I have done my best to protect my dcs from their father's behaviour. I would contribute some of his anxiety to our relationship but only to an extent.
Are you disagreeing based on any knowledge of what developmental trauma even is or how it arises? Because you're not displaying any comprehension of what developmental trauma is. It's not "anxiety" .

Living in an abusive environment damages children whether they directly witness abuse or not. That's what the evidence base shows. Even when the abused parent claims they "protected" the child, that child is still damaged.

That's the evidence. Not my opinion. The evidence shows it is impossible to protect a child living in an abusive home from being affected and damaged by that abuse.

"I have protected them" is the lie you tell yourself to make it all bearable. I'm sure you have done your best, but the fact remains that the abuser will still have damaged them both. That's why it's so important that you leave to prevent further harm.

The abuse changes your behaviour, it changes the atmosphere, it affects the safety, it is frightening listening to violence, living in a home where holes have been punched/kicked in doors, where communication is about power and control, where everyone is walking on eggshells, where your mother makes excuses for the abuse and thinks threatening to set her on fire is acceptable, etc.

And frankly given your op describes violent behaviour, including threats to kill you in front of your kids, I question your sense of perspective. For goodness sake, you posted on here proposing to keep your children in this abusive, volatile environment. They're not protected and you haven't protected them. Because it was impossible to protect them.

I am aware of what autistic traits are. They are the same as developmental trauma. That was my point. Again, evidence. Disagree all you like if denial makes you feel better but it doesn't change the facts or evidence on the subject.

Kaylasmum49 · 21/06/2021 20:57

Also to add, my 36 year old dd was diagnosed with autism last year. There is a strong occurrence of autism on my mother's side of the family. I feel very sure that my son is autistic. He was display autistic traits from a very young age.

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youvegottenminuteslynn · 21/06/2021 21:09

Please read and then reread @lilyofthewasteland's posts. So well put and all so true.

Twilow · 21/06/2021 21:41

He said he was trying to put you on fire in front of your daughter and yet your kids haven't been exposed to the abuse?! This is nonsense and you know it. You need to leave for their sake and your sake. Would you want your daughter accepting that from her future partner?

ScrollingLeaves · 21/06/2021 21:44

Carry on getting out.

Redruby2020 · 21/06/2021 22:01

@Kaylasmum49

I know I need to go but I can't stop thinking that I'm partly to blame. I have awful health anxiety and periods of depression, I do nag at him and sometimes keep an argument going. Maybe I've made him like that. He's told me that he doesn't get that angry with other people.
Hi, I have said similar, and that as Gina beings we can only take so much, and I have been under immense periods of stress whereby nagging and whinging etc would send me over the edge. But this is a different situation, he is doing what he does, because he knows he can get away with it! Like the comment of not getting angry with others 🙄 no, because others wouldn't suffer it! They do choose how and when to do things. My ex partner from memory did not throw or smash things during pregnancy and was not physically abusive but kept up the verbal and emotional abuse. But the above he did do both before I was pregnant and after our DS was born. I have heard this talk before oh it just happens about once a month, or so and so just has a blow up every now and then, no it doesn't matter, it is not okay, it is not a life you need to live and suffer with. Continue your plans to leave, I hope you find somewhere very soon.
Orgasmagorical · 22/06/2021 07:32

@Kaylasmum49

I don't think he means to be abusive as in I don't think he plans it. He just gets angry very easily.
He does mean to be abusive. What he is doing is deliberate. He is probably thinking up his next episode right now. Wait for it ....
Aria999 · 22/06/2021 15:14

I'm not sure how much it matters whether he means to do it or not. It's his responsibility not to do it somehow.

If he gets angry and kills someone he still goes to jail for murder. 'I didn't mean it I was just very angry' doesn't get you off.

Please don't let that be you!

StormTreader · 22/06/2021 15:32

Does he constantly lose jobs and get arrested for punching walls and threatening to set strangers and coworkers on fire? If not then he clearly CAN control himself when he knows there are consequences.

Newestname001 · 22/06/2021 17:37

@Kaylasmum49

My partner has violent outbursts when we have an arguement, not every time but at least once a month.

This is far too often, OP. Once a YEAR would be too often.

He has punched/kicked walls, thrown things, threatened to punch me, admits that he likes to wind me up and messes with my head.

You and, more importantly your children, are living in an awful, tense atmosphere, with someone with violent tendencies. How long do you think it will take before he makes good his threat to punch you, instead of the walls? And then there's the psychological actions of winding you up and messing with your head.

His latest was to hold a lighter to the bottom of my cardigan and when I asked him what he was doing he said (I'm setting you alight) he did this in front of my 17 year old dd!

Your poor daughter: I feel so sorry for her. This must be like living with an unexploded bomb in your children's home.

How can you minimise this dangerous aggression and, I'm sorry, lie to yourself about the situation you are in?

Please, get your children away from this cretin at your very earliest opportunity, for their sake and for yours. There is no compromise to be had in this "relationship". 🌹

Kaylasmum49 · 22/06/2021 18:44

I am not trying to minimise his behaviour, I am saying it how it is. The punching walls hasn't happened in a long time. It's more emotional now. He tried to make out the lighter incidence was a joke but I know better.

I don't need anyway to point out to me that I have failed my dcs but I honestly felt that I was shielding them to a point. I have tried to leave before but couldn't find a way out. This time I have support from womens aid and I have done everything in my power to leave this relationship. I am hoping that I will be given an offer soon.

I mistakenly thought that it would better for the kids to have both parents and I worried about how a separation would be for them. I hate myself for how I've handled this. I've spoken to my dd about it all, she has told me that she was aware of our relationship being bad but it seems that I did manage to protect them somewhat. I have no love for this man and I do want to leave asap. I hope for some support here but mostly I've just been made to feel more guilty than ever.

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Twilow · 22/06/2021 18:58

That's great - you're doing the right thing, both for yourself and for your kids. Don't feel bad for getting you all out of there. It's the right thing to do for their and your futures.

DGFB · 22/06/2021 19:02

You need to leave. No child should see a parent threaten to set the other alight. He wasn’t sealing a thread on your cardigan, you know that.
Nothing you have written makes me think you should stay. Leave for your children if nothing else

DGFB · 22/06/2021 19:03

Ps well done for seeking help from women’s aid. Stay strong, you are doing the right thing!

Carbara · 22/06/2021 19:55

Can your kids go and live somewhere better while you’re with this scumbag? Surely they’re in therapy? Social services should be involved.

Kaylasmum49 · 22/06/2021 23:53

carbara well thank you for that!! I have discussed my situation with women's aid and a housing officer, no one has suggested social services need to be involved. My 17 yo Dr is a well adjusted and amazing young lady who has just finished school with 4 advanced highers and will be starting college to study drama!! I have spoken with her at length about her dad's behaviour and she was completely unaware of most of the extreme outbursts. She told me she knew that we argued but that was about it, she has no reason to lie, we have a very close relationship and can discuss most things. I can only assume that I did manage to shield them from the majority of his behaviour towards me. She absolutely doesn't need therapy.

I am leaving but I can't do that until I am given a place to go to, I have been trying to leave for the last year. I have severe anxiety and depression which I am waiting on therapy for, I am trying to do the best for my dcs, I don't need to be condemned by anyone!

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Wiredforsound · 23/06/2021 05:09

The man tried to set fire to you in front of your child! That is NOT normal! That is stone cold lunacy!!

IdblowJonSnow · 23/06/2021 05:17

You know you need to leave. Do it for your kids if not for you.