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We’re not even talking - the atmosphere is unbearable :(

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Lasciachiopianga · 21/06/2021 00:22

So, late last year I didnt want to dtd with dh for 3 and a bit weeks. He responded by breaking things (then mending them 🤔) and full on passive aggressive silent treatment for days. Something In me just broke, as this wasn’t a one off. All of his previous pa silent treatments suddenly made me realise I wasn’t in a healthy relationship.

The previous silent treatments weren’t due to not dtd, as I dtd regularly to avoid this. I knew if I didn’t, I’d get this pa silent treatment. Other pa silent treatments were usually due to tidiness (or lack of), kids behaviour (or lack of....) or behaviour issues with sen child.

But late last year I really couldn’t hold it together any more to dtd. I went to bed later and later to avoid it and he got so cross that he broke things, and didnt talk to me or the children for days. There was more to it, but I posted under another name at the time and was a bit freaked out by the responses, so I’m leaving that bit out.

This time, something in my brain broke, I just stopped being able to cope with supporting him through his silent treatments any more.

The fact that I’ve minimised all of this for the last decade suddenly came into focus and I realised that my reaction (minimising it, till he calmed down, then just pretending all was back to normal) wasn’t healthy for me or our now teenage children.

I realised all of this late last year and have been taking beta blockers and serotonin ever since, just to cope.

He took down all the wedding photos. He moved into the spare room. He said he was suicidal. He is self harming. He’s. It talking to me at all. But, on the flip side, this last week, he’s been taking ds to school, driving dd to visit her friend, mowing the lawn, tidying the kitchen, loading the dishwasher, cleaning the shower......? Up till a couple of weeks ago, he’s never done any of that at all.. I wonder if his own counselling that he is having has prompted that?

He’s currently wfh all the time. I’ve wfh for over 13 years, building a business around their school hours (tough with a sen child) But he hates wfh. I don’t like him wfh either - he ‘checks in’ on what I’m doing constantly.

We’re not talking, the atmosphere is simply awful. We’re just in the same house for the kids really.

I want out, but I can’t work out how? Our finances, our house, our ‘stuff’ is entertained from over 2 decades of being together.

We’ve got about 500k equity in our home which sounds like a lot but terraced 3 beds in this town are 400k+ I need to stay local as I can’t change ds (sen) school as there is no way I’d get a better one for him. Moving home will be enough upheaval as it is, and will have a big impact on him :(

What do I do? It’s all well and good to give the standard mumsnet response of ‘ltb’ but how on earth does one do that when you’re decades into a marriage, have given up a career to be a sahm so have minimal earning potential, ...and do it with minimal impact on the children?

At the moment I have enough energy to keep me and the kid# afloat.,I don’t have the mental capacity to support dh, or to work out where our marriage should go. My brain will literally turn on for work and for the kids. It won’t support me, let alone dh, any more :(

OP posts:
anon666 · 21/06/2021 00:31

I was on the way to bed but saw, this and didn't want to leave it unanswered. It sounds like you're both unhappy, have you thought about seeing a relate type counsellor.

I'm not excusing his behaviour as it sounds awful, but I completely take your point about people advising you to ltb. It's really not that easy nor always the best solution.

And I'm sorry to hear it all. It sounds very stressful. Flowers

Anordinarymum · 21/06/2021 00:32

OP I am really sorry but what is dtd?

anon666 · 21/06/2021 00:35

It sounds like he has a lot of unresolved anger, and I understand how you feel about not having the mental energy.

I'm really struggling with my husband at the moment. He's the love of my life and I adore him, but he's so fragile that everything always has to be about him. At the moment I'm struggling to get a job and I suffered a tirade yesterday from him about hard it is for him that I don't have a job. The sulking and point scoring has lasted all weekend and I'm shattered.

AlsoKnownAsMillicent · 21/06/2021 00:36

@Anordinarymum

OP I am really sorry but what is dtd?
Dtd = do the deed

i.e. have sex

WeAreTheHeroes · 21/06/2021 00:36

Dtd = Doing the deed = having sex

Lasciachiopianga · 21/06/2021 00:38

Edited to add that he said recently in a relate counselling that I was complaining that he blanked me for 4+ days when he couldn’t cope - this was ever 4-6 weeks for the last 12 hears.

But we’ve not been talking for about 6 months now, which makes me as bad as him.

Touché :(

So now that I’ve balanced out the last decade of my minimising his reactions to things, the fact remains that I still can’t cope, and I still can’t see how we can be together. But, similarly, I can’t see how we could possibly live apart.

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Hannsmum · 21/06/2021 00:38

@Anordinarymum

OP I am really sorry but what is dtd?
Do the deed - have sex
Smallredclip · 21/06/2021 00:38

Gosh I really really feel for you. First job is information gathering. Get thee to a shit hot lawyer and start proceedings. You can argue that you stay in the house if the upheaval will be too much for your child, and with evidence that should hold in court. At the very least though, even if you have to move, you’d be living in straightened circumstances but without the hideous stress! How lovely will that be?

timeisnotaline · 21/06/2021 00:42

Can you go see a lawyer, to help get your head around how leaving might work for you, financially and staying near ds’s school? I don’t know about counselling with someone who won’t talk to you, the only benefit I can see is convincing yourself you’ve tried everything.

Lasciachiopianga · 21/06/2021 00:44

@Anordinarymum dtd is ‘doing the deed’ ie having sex. After having 2 children in close succession, I was SO tired. Dh tried to cope but ended up doing two massive silent treatments as he needed to dtd but I really wasn’t in the mood, I went to the doctor and didn’t get much help, apart from beta blockers to stop the panic attacks due to the silent treatment. Since then, I’ve dtd just to avoid this happening again.

Till I couldn’t bring myself to, last year :(

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anon666 · 21/06/2021 00:52

Ah, have just seen that you're in counselling already. It sounds like you're trying to make the incredibly difficult decision to leave/break up.

Perhaps the counsellor could facilitate that discussion? Better to have a third party to mediate?

Anordinarymum · 21/06/2021 00:53

[quote Lasciachiopianga]@Anordinarymum dtd is ‘doing the deed’ ie having sex. After having 2 children in close succession, I was SO tired. Dh tried to cope but ended up doing two massive silent treatments as he needed to dtd but I really wasn’t in the mood, I went to the doctor and didn’t get much help, apart from beta blockers to stop the panic attacks due to the silent treatment. Since then, I’ve dtd just to avoid this happening again.

Till I couldn’t bring myself to, last year :([/quote]
Well he's selfish isn't he? He does not mind making you unhappy but if you dare to upset him he behaves like some kind of monster punishing you in what reads a disgusting way.

Get legal advice. Then decide what you want to do based upon that. He won't take his life, that is just something to beat you with.
Do something about this for the sake of your children and for your own good because you are worth more than this - being his whipping boy.

My husband gave me the silent treatment if I didn't do the deed. He wanted it all the time, even when my children were little and I was so tired. If I said 'no' he was horrible to me. I ended up apologising when I was not in the wrong just to make peace but it was always about sex.

One day I said 'no more'. I had warned him for years that one day I would put a stop to it.
He deprived me of sleep, he was violent and abusive and my children witnessed all of it. He was also horrible to my eldest child because he knew it would hurt me.
I got rid of him. We have a better life now.

Lasciachiopianga · 21/06/2021 00:59

@anon666 yes, we’re having couples counselling - not relate, but similar. But it isn’t really helping our ability to communicate, which is pretty much non existent since the counselling session where I sad I was dtd to stave off yet more stonewalling pa treatment. He said he didn’t realise (even though I was literally just lying there). So now I feel awful :(

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GeorgiaGirl52 · 21/06/2021 01:06

Get legal advice. If giant companies can merge and break apart then a 20-year marriage can be un-twined even with a house and a home business. Do it now while your sen child is in school and you have a better claim on the house. Likely when you get rid of the monster you married you will have less need for counseling and medication.

Lasciachiopianga · 21/06/2021 01:08

@Anordinarymum he says he didn’t realise. He was rarely violent, never to me or the children, just to household objects. More often than not he’d storm off in a huff and we’d all be walking on eggshells avoiding him for a few days.

I tended to try and take the kids off out somewhere for the day when he was like this, but actually that’s hard for an autistic child who needs a timetable and preparation time for outings.

Now we’re barely talking and, though our kids are pretty emotionally young for their ages (teenagers) , they must realise something isn’t right.. So I’ve moved them from one bad environment to another ‘(

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Anordinarymum · 21/06/2021 01:12

You know you have to do something because he won't stop behaving like this and don't you deserve some joy in your life ?

I got my life back when he went. Best thing I ever did

QueenBee52 · 21/06/2021 01:14

He's horribly manipulative and its very unpleasant reading.

I agree with others that timing is on your side, seek legal advice.

I wouldn't continue counselling with a Passive aggressive abuser.

Good luck OP, you sound completely exhausted by him.

🌸

snowqu33n · 21/06/2021 01:17

Have you considered individual therapy instead of couple’s?
His behavior sounds like coercive control.

Lasciachiopianga · 21/06/2021 01:43

@timeisnotaline you’re right, I’m sticking out with the couples counselling as I want to make sure I’ve tried everything.

@snowqu33n at the start of all of this, when I couldn’t work out what was going on and why I’d stopped being able to cope, I spoke to 3 people on phone helpines (women’s aid, relate and a local helpline). They all said it was coercive control (or worse) which really freaked me out. however, the nhs counsellor I got 8 weekly 1:1 sessions from didnt class it as that, and neither is the couples counsellor were seeing together.

@QueenBee52 you’re right, I’m totally exhausted. It’s al I can do,to,keep the kids and I afloat and sane at the moment.

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AgentJohnson · 21/06/2021 06:33

He didn’t realise, of course he did. Why else would he behave that way if it wasn’t to coerce you into doing what he wanted, nice try idiot. Him suddenly being helpful is more head fuckery, it’s something that he can point to about having ‘changed’. I understand the convenience of hoping but you know deep down that he hasn’t and too much has happened to pretend.

I didn’t want to sleep with my Ex and I knew it was an issue so I made the effort because I couldn’t work out why. Afterwards when he climbed off of me and thanked me, I realised that sex wasn’t about me or us, it was all about him and I was just a convenient orifice. That was the last time I slept with him because when I tried to explain how I felt he clearly wasn’t interested, he just said that most women just do it to keep the relationship going. My respect for him died and the only thing keeping me there was fear and uncertainty. DV forced me to jump, otherwise I would have stayed and become a hollowed out shell. Do not underestimate how much maintaining your self respect does for your mh.

Extracting yourself from a long term relationship, isn’t going to be easy, it will be a rollercoaster but this holding pattern you’re currently in is slowly killing you. Gather information, do your research but the first tentative steps towards your new life need to start.

CupoTeap · 21/06/2021 06:40

Relate wont work with this type of abuse.

You need to split up and soon.

SmallGreenStripes · 21/06/2021 06:49

Sounds like you are an a coercive controlling relationship. Couples counselling is absolutely not recommended.

Women’s aid will help x

Juststopasking · 21/06/2021 06:53

You have to separate. Your children are going to be irreparably damaged by this.

Shoxfordian · 21/06/2021 07:24

He’s abusive
I hope you’re able to find a lawyer and leave as soon as possible

MimiDaisy11 · 21/06/2021 07:37

As exhausting as it is to leave it seems more exhausting to stay together. At least for me it would be. I really couldn’t live like that and just couldn’t have sex on demand like that.

Wishing you the best!