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To stay or go?

34 replies

overandoutroger · 17/06/2021 22:49

I'm looking for some advice to try to help me reach a decision about my marriage. I haven't been happy for a few years and we did temporarily separate a couple of years ago. He made it clear that he did not want to split and made some effort but tends to slip back to previous form and have to be reminded again (sometimes patiently and sometimes not!). I am struggling to 'get over' things that have happened historically and, although I care about him, don't feel that I love him as a partner anymore.
We are both in our mid 40s and have 3 children together. He loves the children v much and does have a good relationship with them overall.
This is a simplified version. I expect some of it is a pretty common story in lots of marriages:
DH was never very supportive in the early years. I did the great majority of child rearing. He often didn't step up even when I was exhausted. He had lie-ins every weekend when he wasn't working and I would get up with the children. He would emerge several hours later and wonder why I was cross. I have made a lot of sacrifices for his career, moving areas several times, taking on the great majority of childcare and running the household, coping with being the sole parent around when he worked away for several years. I have also always worked part time in a stressful job. He doesn't seem to appreciate these sacrifices. He has, in more recent years, admitted that he didn't do enough when the children were young. However, he still tends to leave the majority of the dull parenting tasks to me. He is often the fun dad who lets them stay up late, use their devices more than I want them too, eat too much chocolate, etc. In addition, one of the things that has really upset me is that he has a tendency to undermine my parenting decisions. He will overturn my decisions without speaking to me first. This undermining has happened on so many occasions and the children are well aware and one in particular uses this fact, has a habit of running off to dad to complain and is often backed up.
In recent years, we have had to deal with a lot of stress, particularly serious illness of one DC and some health problems of my own. There have been other things to deal with too, financial problems, stress at work for both of us, etc, etc. I really struggled and don't feel that he was anywhere near as supportive as he should have been. On many occasions, he made things worse, in fact by not supporting me in parenting, etc. Given that he was hardly around, I needed to be backed up in my decisions rather than the opposite. This led to the separation mentioned.
I feel as if all this has made me gradually lose the respect, love and admiration for him that I had earlier in the relationship. I just don't have the same wish to spend time with him chatting and doing nice things. He has many good points but I seem to see more and more negative qualities. He has apologised for certain things and made some effort but, if he does something which is one of my 'bug-bears', something I have complained about previously, I seem to have extremely limited tolerance now and will get cross quickly. We disagree and argue far too frequently for various reasons. He has a tendency to shout, get v unpleasant, make nasty personal remarks and I now have a tendency to 'fight back' verbally rather than diffuse things. It's as if I have run out of patience with the whole situation so I sometimes behave badly too.
Lastly, out sex life is pretty much non existent in the past year.
I have come to the point where I'm just not sure I can continue like this. I don't want to break up the children's home and I know that they would be extremely upset if we split. I am also worried about finances and how we would afford two family homes with prices so high. However, I don't feel happy in the relationship and think that I could be much happier with someone else. I also don't think we are modelling a healthy relationship for the children.
Does anyone have any useful advice or experience? At what point have you tried enough to stay?

OP posts:
heyday · 17/06/2021 22:59

Relationships can be very tough and the journey together doesn't always run smooth. It is up to both of you to decide if you want to try to overcome the difficulties that you have encountered and continue to experience to see if you can find a way forward. You may well be happier with someone else but then again you may not and it can be often be extremely difficult to find or introduce new partners when you have a young family. I honestly think that you need to explore all options and pathways in your current relationship before you even begin to think about the possibility of another relationship - believe me, the grass isn't always greener on the other side.

faithfulbird20 · 17/06/2021 23:11

What you have describes is all normal. Have you tried having some time away from him? Not a separation but doing things that interest you. You sound bored to death running after him and your kids. You need me time. Do you have friends that you can hang out with? Join a course or something? Pamper yourself, enjoy life you sound depleted of any energy. Forget thinking about everyone else think about you.

overandoutroger · 18/06/2021 11:53

Thanks for the replies. Good advice to explore all options in current relationship. I have been trying to forgive past things. He isn't at all keen to see a counsellor but perhaps I could see one alone as I haven't tried that yet.

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overandoutroger · 18/06/2021 11:56

I think the thing that concerns me as that I don't really feel that I want to spend time with him. Previously, I would have been keen to go out for a meal or spend some time as a couple but I just don't feel that urge anymore. I find myself fantasising about being with other men (no one specific just the idea). Nor am I really attracted to him anymore. He has put on some weight and not looked after his health too well and he doesn't make an awful lot of effort with me in general.

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LuvMyBubbles · 18/06/2021 12:10

I think you need to start thinking about you and your needs.

LuvMyBubbles · 18/06/2021 12:11

This relationship won't chsnge I think you should leave.

kiddo5467 · 18/06/2021 12:21

@faithfulbird20

What you have describes is all normal. Have you tried having some time away from him? Not a separation but doing things that interest you. You sound bored to death running after him and your kids. You need me time. Do you have friends that you can hang out with? Join a course or something? Pamper yourself, enjoy life you sound depleted of any energy. Forget thinking about everyone else think about you.
It may not be uncommon but that doesn't mean it's normal or should be accepted.

Sorry you're having such a tough time OP 💐

overandoutroger · 18/06/2021 14:08

Thanks @kiddo5467

@LuvMyBubbles- are you suggesting leaving rather than continuing for the DC's sake because you only have one life so to speak?

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Karmalady · 18/06/2021 14:14

Marriages do ebb and flow, it’s sometimes hard work, and it’s not always greener the other side of the fence.

I would try to get some interests of your own, some “me time”, and work with DH to try and put some zip back into your relationship.

It’s worth a try before leaving or anything.

updownroundandround · 18/06/2021 15:28

@overandoutroger

I was a bit like this with my first husband.

One day I just looked at him and thought ''I don't even like you, never mind love you''.
From that moment it was simply 'over' for me.

I'm not sure if you're at the same point perhaps ?

overandoutroger · 18/06/2021 18:28

Actually @updownroundandround I have thought that a few times recently and it obviously worries me. I don't like some of his views or behaviour anymore. I think we have both changed somewhat because of life and the relationship. I also think I can't imagine being with you for the rest of my life.
It's really hard!

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ScabbyHorse · 18/06/2021 18:32

Go off for a few days and leave him to it? Have some time to do nice things for you. Make him wonder a bit if you're okay.

Alcemeg · 18/06/2021 18:34

Oooh @overandoutroger, I need to clone myself to answer your thread properly. Take a look at this?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/4211900-does-love-come-back-what-do-i-do?pg=1

houseyhousey · 18/06/2021 18:45

Honestly op that sounds bloody miserable. You are young and have realistically for another 40 years left - do you really want to live like this? I can guarantee your kids would be a whole lot happier in a more positive, upbeat and happy home split between mum and dad that have you together miserable and angry at each other. Seriously, life's too short to put up with his crap and he won't change. Move on with your life.

BIWI · 18/06/2021 18:48

You deserve a life, and you deserve a partner who is more supportive of you.

He obviously likes having you there to do all the hard work of running a house and a family.

Sorry - but it sounds like the end to me. You've done more 'trying' than he has.

noirchatsdeux · 18/06/2021 19:05

I can only speak as a child of parents who I really wished had split up when I was about 12 - my father would have been 35, my mother 40.

Their story was a lot like yours - my father worked abroad, my mother (and us 3 children) followed him...to some pretty awful parts of the world. It was incredibly stressful. My mother however was always a SAHM.

When I was 12 we had 'settled' in the UK, had been here for about a year when my father suddenly decided we should go back to Oz (myself and my younger brother were born there, my mother is Australian, Father French) It was weird because his whole taking work abroad had started because he had decided after a decade that he no longer wanted to live there. During a brief period 2 years previous to this snap decision, when there had been a gap before we could join him abroad, he'd been unfaithful to my mother (and that wasn't the first time). My mother 'forgave' him - but she really didn't. The whole family dynamic had been pretty poor since then. Basically, my father had decided to trick my mother into moving us back to Oz, pretending he would join us when his visa was ready...but had really arranged to stay on in the UK on his own. His plan failed at the very last moment when his visa arrived the day we were leaving...(he'd even gone as far to book himself a plane ticket, thinking that he wouldn't be able to use it)

My parents should have split then. I only found out the whole story of what happened about 3 months ago - I'd always wondered why my Oz hating father had suddenly been so keen for us to go back. My mother finally admitted what he had had planned, and that he'd actually confessed it all to her that very day!

Their marriage limped on for another 8 years after that. My father was working away for a good 4 years of that, rarely coming home. Even when I was 17 and in a serious car accident, he didn't come back. When I was 18 his contract abroad ended and he was forced to come back and get work in the UK (our trip back to Oz barely lasted 18 months). He'd been unfaithful to my mother again....

They finally split when I was just 21 - that last 3 years was hell. My mother was bitter and angry, and he was like a ghost. He used to go to work, come home and just sit on the couch watching tv or listening to music, barely talking or interacting with anyone. They were both as miserable as sin. When I started dating I used to avoid bringing them home as the atmosphere if both parents were there was just so horrible. I got married to my first serious boyfriend and my father left my mother for another woman while I was on my honeymoon. I came home and WW3 had broken out...

Very long story short, you will not be doing your children any favours if you stay together. Children aren't deaf, dumb and blind...they will pick up on tensions between you, even if you aren't fighting in front of them. My parents never did, and myself and my two brothers were still aware that they didn't even like, let alone love, each other.

30degreesandmeltinghere · 18/06/2021 19:07

Imagine you have split up..
You then see him in town with a new gf.. Would you be gutted or think thank fuck he is off your hands??

overandoutroger · 18/06/2021 23:18

@30degreesandmeltinghere-I think it would seem strange to see him with another woman but I don't think I would be gutted, no.

@Alcemeg- I'm a bit confused. Are you the OP yourself? I had a look at the first 4 pages but can't 'see you'

@noirchatsdeux- your father sounds terrible. DH is a loving, caring father and has a good relationship with the children. It's just that he has often avoided the daily grind to a large extent. He is better now they are older (I guess there is less daily grind due to their ages now though).

I'm not a poor down trodden woman. I do get time to myself now they are all at school and I do speak to/ see friends sometimes. I think it's more that the damage has been done and I'm not sure we can move on from it successfully now. However, I feel really anxious at the prospect of going through a divorce. I'm not sure how I will cope with that stress and the worries about finances. Sadly, I don't have a supportive family.

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noirchatsdeux · 19/06/2021 00:36

@overandoutroger Both my parents were terrible. My father never pretended he wasn't an arsehole, he'd never wanted children in the first place, my mother (Catholic) 'oopsed' him. In fact, I'd argue that my mother was worse, because she had the chance to stop all the shit ...and put her marriage above her children.

Avoiding the daily grind - so he's what's often called a 'Disney Dad' then. If your children are older - and I'm assuming that means they are either in their teens or about to be there. You are setting them a terrible example of how a relationship between husband/wife should be. If they are younger, you still have the chance to get them out before they absorb the crap message you are both exposing them to.

Reading stuff like this makes me even gladder that I - and both my brothers - chose not to have children at all.

Anordinarymum · 19/06/2021 00:51

OP One day your children will grow up and leave home and you will be left with this man. Do you really want to grow old with him ?

5475878237NC · 19/06/2021 02:40

I think there are many steps you could take before splitting up if you really want to try and improve the marriage before deciding to end it. Joint counselling can be helpful even to those who decide through it to split. Individual therapy for your own needs. Developing your own resources and happiness outside the marriage. Have you read any relationship books or been on any workshops together? How often do you actually talk about what makes you both happy?

Alcemeg · 19/06/2021 08:48

@overandoutroger

It's just a thread that contains a lot of advice (from me and plenty of others) about leaving a marriage where you feel really uncertain.

The OP's situation in that thread does not exactly mirror yours (you're at different stages of life; her child is only 3), but there are important parallels:

I haven't been happy for a few years
He made it clear that he did not want to split and made some effort but tends to slip back to previous form
I don't feel that I love him as a partner anymore
He loves the children v much and does have a good relationship with them overall
I [have gradually lost] respect, love and admiration for him
He has many good points but I seem to see more and more negative qualities
He has a tendency to shout, get v unpleasant, make nasty personal remarks
I could be much happier with someone else

There's a lot of advice on that thread that you might find helpful.

However, going straight to your original post, my advice here would be that your marriage has been over for some time and you should NOT stick it out for the sake of the kids. I share @noirchatsdeux's experience of wishing my parents had split up years ago and had the chance of a better life. They have now been together nearly 70 years and don't like each other any better than they did 50 years ago, but are unable to do anything about it now but wait quietly for the other one to "go." Flowers

Blueberry40 · 19/06/2021 09:05

Completely agree with @noirchatsdeux the children will know. My parents stayed together ‘for the sake of the children’ and didn’t argue constantly but the atmosphere was horrible and they were both completely wrapped up in themselves and v unhappy.

I chose to end my marriage instead of putting my 2 DC’s through the same thing and they were upset at first but are both fine, happy people now. You are doing them a favour by teaching them to value happiness, I was a better mum to them when I wasn’t weighed down with the misery of years in an unhappy marriage. Don’t do it to yourself!

overandoutroger · 19/06/2021 12:59

Thanks for your reply @Alcemeg. I will read through that thread gradually and find out what choice that OP made! I think what you are saying is that the children will notice the bickering/ bad atmosphere even if it isn't there all the time and feel better off out of it in the long run.
Most of the time we get on okay, we obviously communicate regularly about the children, sometimes have a laugh together and he does do more than he used to but he still seems to consider things more my job because I only work part time and he seems to view his as more important. This annoys me as I think a couple should be more of a team. When we are not getting on, he does make it obvious and even speaks about it in front of the DC.
He has tried to change and he does want the relationship to work but I think the bottom line is that it Is very difficult to change your character significantly at this age and also very difficult to get out of unhealthy patterns within a relationship once they have been there for a while.
I suppose I am worried about the stressful and expensive process of divorce, how I would buy a house and the practicalities of being a single parent given I have no family support. I guess I need to just be an adult and deal with it!

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Alcemeg · 19/06/2021 14:25

It sounds like you can do it, @overandoutroger. Honestly, just do it. I promise you it's worth the effort. Life rewards courage.

The thread really deals with the ambiguity about feeling you have a right/no right to do something about the situation, especially with one eye on "what's best for the kids" (answer: being real! -- don't expect them to buy your bullshit 😋)

I keep posting this on various threads, but it's the best advice I ever came across: