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To stay or go?

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overandoutroger · 17/06/2021 22:49

I'm looking for some advice to try to help me reach a decision about my marriage. I haven't been happy for a few years and we did temporarily separate a couple of years ago. He made it clear that he did not want to split and made some effort but tends to slip back to previous form and have to be reminded again (sometimes patiently and sometimes not!). I am struggling to 'get over' things that have happened historically and, although I care about him, don't feel that I love him as a partner anymore.
We are both in our mid 40s and have 3 children together. He loves the children v much and does have a good relationship with them overall.
This is a simplified version. I expect some of it is a pretty common story in lots of marriages:
DH was never very supportive in the early years. I did the great majority of child rearing. He often didn't step up even when I was exhausted. He had lie-ins every weekend when he wasn't working and I would get up with the children. He would emerge several hours later and wonder why I was cross. I have made a lot of sacrifices for his career, moving areas several times, taking on the great majority of childcare and running the household, coping with being the sole parent around when he worked away for several years. I have also always worked part time in a stressful job. He doesn't seem to appreciate these sacrifices. He has, in more recent years, admitted that he didn't do enough when the children were young. However, he still tends to leave the majority of the dull parenting tasks to me. He is often the fun dad who lets them stay up late, use their devices more than I want them too, eat too much chocolate, etc. In addition, one of the things that has really upset me is that he has a tendency to undermine my parenting decisions. He will overturn my decisions without speaking to me first. This undermining has happened on so many occasions and the children are well aware and one in particular uses this fact, has a habit of running off to dad to complain and is often backed up.
In recent years, we have had to deal with a lot of stress, particularly serious illness of one DC and some health problems of my own. There have been other things to deal with too, financial problems, stress at work for both of us, etc, etc. I really struggled and don't feel that he was anywhere near as supportive as he should have been. On many occasions, he made things worse, in fact by not supporting me in parenting, etc. Given that he was hardly around, I needed to be backed up in my decisions rather than the opposite. This led to the separation mentioned.
I feel as if all this has made me gradually lose the respect, love and admiration for him that I had earlier in the relationship. I just don't have the same wish to spend time with him chatting and doing nice things. He has many good points but I seem to see more and more negative qualities. He has apologised for certain things and made some effort but, if he does something which is one of my 'bug-bears', something I have complained about previously, I seem to have extremely limited tolerance now and will get cross quickly. We disagree and argue far too frequently for various reasons. He has a tendency to shout, get v unpleasant, make nasty personal remarks and I now have a tendency to 'fight back' verbally rather than diffuse things. It's as if I have run out of patience with the whole situation so I sometimes behave badly too.
Lastly, out sex life is pretty much non existent in the past year.
I have come to the point where I'm just not sure I can continue like this. I don't want to break up the children's home and I know that they would be extremely upset if we split. I am also worried about finances and how we would afford two family homes with prices so high. However, I don't feel happy in the relationship and think that I could be much happier with someone else. I also don't think we are modelling a healthy relationship for the children.
Does anyone have any useful advice or experience? At what point have you tried enough to stay?

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overandoutroger · 19/06/2021 17:32

Thanks @Alcemeg. I like the video.
I hope the children can forgive breaking up a home in situations without obvious abuse, situations where they love both parents but where there is more a general unhappiness in the relationship which may come across. I'm not miserable or depressed in general but am sometimes more snappy and bad tempered than I should be due to things that are much less than ideal in this aspect of my life.
I am going to think about whether to seek counselling individually as I don't think I will be able to persuade him.

Thank you for all the comments. Any other advice gratefully received.

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updownroundandround · 20/06/2021 10:49

@overandoutroger

I am going to think about whether to seek counselling individually as I don't think I will be able to persuade him.

I think counselling will help you work through exactly what you want and what you need.

I understand the fear of ''the unknown'' i.e getting divorced and being a single parent, but I can guarantee you one thing, if you do decide to get a divorce and stop living a 'half life' with someone you don't really like and certainly don't love, the process will be difficult and upsetting at times, but it will also be liberating and joyful at times.
And once the dust has settled and your finances etc sorted out, you will feel lighter, happier and more 'yourself' than you have in years.

Personally, I'll never forget the day I told my 1st husband the marriage was over. He'd once again done something he knew would make me angry and upset, and he tried to cuddle/kiss/tickle me to try to make me laugh.................then he said ''Oh, come on, you know I love you really !''...........and I looked him in the eyes and said, ''I've really no idea how you feel, but I can tell you that I don't love you any more, in fact, I'd like you to move out.

I was shocked at myself, because I'd no idea I was going to say that ! He looked very shocked, then angry, and said ''OK, I'm not staying where I'm not wanted !'', packed a bag and left.

I was left with 2 kids, one seriously unwell regularly, bills to pay, and absolutely no way of continuing to work ! So I was terrified...........and yet, I felt as if a huge weight had just been lifted off my shoulders !! And when I went to bed that night I had no idea how I was going to manage, or what I would tell the kids or anything, but at the same time I was elated that I had him out of the house, and I was determined it would stay that way !

Try not to get bogged down with the ''how will I ever manage alone'' thoughts, because you will manage ! We all do ! It's just one day at a time and one problem at a time, until somehow, suddenly, everything sorted !

overandoutroger · 20/06/2021 11:53

@updownroundandround- thanks so much. Really helpful advice.

The thing is, I suspect I could like him a lot more again if I wasn't married to him and didn't have to live with him. The small things just add up more and more and then the big things on top and you seem to reach a limit at some point! I feel like I am a very poor version of myself with him nowadays.
Your advice about not worrying about everything and the whole process now but to take one day at a time is very good. It's hard to do but I need to try.

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updownroundandround · 21/06/2021 15:02

@overandoutroger

Just remember, you're only in your mid 40's, it'd be so much harder in your mid 50's, and almost impossible in your mid 60's..............

At what point do you really think it'd be harder for your DC's ?

When they're still young enough to adjust ?
When they're in the middle of their exams ?
When they're in their 1st year at Uni or in their 1st job ?
When they've got partners/ wives/ husbands ?
When they have their own DC's ?

There is no 'better time'....................
There is only now or never !

overandoutroger · 21/06/2021 19:14

Thanks @updownroundandround. I don't suppose it's every easy for anyone.

I'm not really worried about how I would manage as a single parent but the whole stressful process of divorce, upsetting the children, reaching agreements (think he may want 50/50 if we split which I think it seems fair to agree to) and the finances. To be honest, it's probably largely being financially secure with two incomes that keeps me here. It would be a lot easier not to have to worry about paying legal fees and buying a house. Still, I realise that other people do it in worse positions.

The other thing is that I would definitely prefer to meet another man in time. I realise that there are no guarantees of this though which is frightening too. I can't imagine being alone forever.

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updownroundandround · 22/06/2021 09:07

@overandoutroger

I totally understand, I really do.

What would you tell your child, if they were in your position ?

To waste more months/years being '' a very poor version of myself'', or to take the bull by the horns, and take action ?

Just think about all the months/years you've already wasted, trying to 'make things better' by sacrificing your happiness,health and career, ignoring your own grief and pretending to your DC that ''everything is fine'' ?

Remind me again exactly what has HE sacrificed ?

You will always go round in circles, when only one of you is rowing the boat............................

overandoutroger · 22/06/2021 11:10

@updownroundandround- I would want my children to be happy. I hope that we would have much closer relationships when they are adults in contrast to mine with my parents. I would therefore be able to offer them support which would help them to make the leap if they were persistently unhappy.
He would definitely say that he has made sacrifices (or one big one which I don't want to detail on here). I have made far more of the daily/ weekly/ monthly, etc type of sacrifices.

I am going to think things through carefully over the Summer (it's not the right time to make a decision immediately) and hope to have decided by Autumn. I'm definitely verging towards taking the leap.

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updownroundandround · 22/06/2021 13:18

@overandoutroger

I totally respect your decision. But the support you need will continue to be here, whenever you need it, remember that.

I just wanted to share this with you. I just read it on another post, but thought it might help you. (So I cannot claim to be the author, unfortunately)

This is going to sound cheesy, but I try to think if it as life is a journey and there's lots of different destinations and people along the way. Some people stay on the bus with us for a while but ultimately we all get off at the last stop alone.

I don't believe there is a 'one' for us. Only some people that stay on the journey with us for a bit longer than others.

Besides, if anything, it seems that bastard should have been flung off your bus a few stops sooner.

overandoutroger · 22/06/2021 20:03

@updownroundandround- I guess some people stay on the bus and are lifelong friends/ partners and others, sometimes unexpectedly, get off the bus much earlier than you thought they would. It's sad but that's life and things don't always go to plan.

The support on here is really helpful. It seems strange that strangers on the internet can be such a good source of support.

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