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What do you make of this situation?

50 replies

NoisyNuts · 10/06/2021 23:06

Sarah is currently a SAHM looking after a preschooler and also has two other children (different dad). She receives £700 a month from her ex, £300 from a family member and £500 from Ken, her current partner. Out of this she pays ALL the bills, food shopping, etc, basically everything. The house is hers and is paying the mortgage using previous overpayment credit. Money is tight but she can afford not to work for a little while but not forever. Ken doesn’t pay her at the beginning of the month when Sarah would prefer, it’s always in dribs and drabs after she has to ask multiple times because she’s run out of money and is paying overdraft fees. Ken’s income is around £2000 per month, out of this he pays for his travel to work, lunches, cigarettes, booze etc. He probably has around £1000 disposable income. He has also run up credit card debts. Ken doesn’t seem to be able to budget and when I’m he does shopping himself he goes to Waitrose. Sarah shops at Lidl or Aldi because it’s cheaper.

She would actually like to be working but tbh is struggling to cope, the toddler isn’t a particularly easy child and she receives very little help at home from Ken. In fact Ken often works 6 days a week and rarely takes time off. He does finish early some days but when he does chooses to go to the pub with people he works with. Ken does some cooking, although less and less nowadays and never in workdays. He doesn’t lift a finger in terms of housework and actively avoids helping to fix things around the house. Every little task involves a lot of nagging and a big fuss before it’s completed. Sarah feels like she’s drowning trying to keep on top of things.

Lately Ken has been drinking more regularly so is unable to help with the toddler when he gets home, he does this even on days when Sarah calls and ahead asks him to come home sober so he can help because there’s something specific she needs to do.

Sarah often feels overwhelmed and exhausted. Because Ken is never there, the older DC (who are more than capable) end up helping when they should be doing homework etc.

Things have not always been that way, they have steadily got worse since the pandemic started and crucially 7 months ago Ken disclosed some serious childhood trauma.

Nothing is changing, Sarah has repeatedly spelled out to Ken why she’s so unhappy and he’s just not getting it. The drink has a lot to answer for but regardless he’s still so damn uncooperative.

OP posts:
2ndtimemum2 · 10/06/2021 23:10

Sarah needs to walk away.

Doona · 10/06/2021 23:10

Why is her current partner paying her a salary?

suggestionsplease1 · 10/06/2021 23:11

Is Ken the toddler's father?

HollowTalk · 10/06/2021 23:13

Straightaway I thought she should dump him.

NoisyNuts · 10/06/2021 23:16

Ken is not paying Sarah a salary, it’s what they agreed on towards living costs when he first moved in, before the baby came along.

Yes toddler is his.

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Eskarina1 · 10/06/2021 23:22

So his 500 covers all his living expenses even food? So beyond paying less than he would anywhere else for his own costs, he contributes nothing to his child financially or practically and gets all his chores done for him?

Sarah needs to work out how to do without him.

NoisyNuts · 10/06/2021 23:27

Eskarina1 Yes basically. He does buy a bit of food bits and bins we need, when he’s cooking etc but generally only when he wants to.

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bonfireheart · 10/06/2021 23:28

Why is she with him? Answer cannot contain the word "children".

NoisyNuts · 10/06/2021 23:29

Nope, nothing extra for the toddler - who is starting to get expensive what with toddler activities etc opening up again.

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Myusernameisnotmyusernameno · 10/06/2021 23:29

LTB

Iveputmyselfonthenaughtystep · 10/06/2021 23:29

Bin him. Sarah would do better with universal credit and child maintenance

ALittleBitConfused1 · 10/06/2021 23:32

I would say that Sarah's ex is getting the raw deal here and is subsidising Ken's lifestyle.

I would also say Ken is a lazy arse and Sarah should kick him out, file a claim with CMS for the toddler and then get a part time job to make up the rest around child care.

Sarah would probably find herself with a lot more energy once she no longer has a man size child to look after too.

NoisyNuts · 10/06/2021 23:33

bonfireheart she’s trying to get rid of him but he keeps coming back saying he has nowhere to go/ no one else to sponge off

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ArchbishopOfBanterbury · 10/06/2021 23:34

They need to work out how much the household costs are, including the mortgage and food. He needs to pay half, at least.
When the toddler qualifies for the free 30 hours nursery, if I were Sarah I'd go back to work, and make sure I was earning for myself again. Then if Ken's still a drunken waste of space, I'd leave him.

NoisyNuts · 10/06/2021 23:35

Ken is also self-employed, useless at completing tax returns etc - Sarah has no idea how she’d even prove his income for maintenance so is assuming she won’t get a penny.

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bonfireheart · 10/06/2021 23:36

The house is hers. If he doesn't leave when asked then wait until he is out, get the kicks changed and have everything boxed up for him. Arrange childcare access via solitior etc.

ILoveShula · 10/06/2021 23:37

Tell Sarah to kick Ken out.

NoisyNuts · 10/06/2021 23:38

“When the toddler qualifies for the free 30 hours nursery” Sarah was thinking of going back when the 15 hours of nursery kicks in unite soon.

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MissTeacup · 10/06/2021 23:56

@NoisyNuts Sarah is not responsible for another adult's life, she's got her kids to look after. Ken had chances to a be better grown-up but simply chose not to. The concequences of his (lack of) action has come a-knocking and he'll just have to figure it out like the rest of us. The safety net of Sarah repeatedly giving in out of guilt/kind nature is creating a learned pattern of behaviour in opportunistic Ken. He will keep doing the same dance, as for him it gets the same results. If Sarah withdrew his safety net and stayed resolute in her intentions to live her one precious life without a parasitic manbaby draining it, Ken would have no option but to sort out an accommodation solution for himself. Because Ken isn't stupid. He's been clever enough to use Sarah for all this time, so he'll be clever enough to get back on his feet. Cockroaches always manage to scrabble right side up again. Good luck Sarah, MN believes in you xx

Nicolastuffedone · 11/06/2021 05:53

You need to leave

Rainbowqueeen · 11/06/2021 05:58

Sarah needs to look at what she benefits she would get.

And to realise that without ken in her life she will probably be less exhausted and stressed

Callingallskeletons · 11/06/2021 06:10

Sounds like Sarah could do a lot better and needs to get rid of Ken for the sake of herself and her children

If the house belongs to Sarah and she has asked Ken to leave then it sounds like she needs to pack up his crap and change the locks, get a supportive friend/family member to be in the house with her for moral support (back up) and contact him to tell him what is happening

category12 · 11/06/2021 06:18

Sarah should stop being suckered by his sob-stories and stop letting him back in. He's a full grown adult man, he can sort out accommodation for himself. Fuck knows he earns enough.

Dozer · 11/06/2021 06:28

The reasons for taking Ken back repeatedly are v weak. Look into benefits, job options etc (you’ll jusy have to deal with both work and the toddler/DC to get the benefit of better financial security) and break up permanently.

ticktockriojaoclock · 11/06/2021 06:39

Obviously it's not working for you OP, and it doesn't sound like he's going to change. So make a decision based on that.

Out of interest, why have you written in third person? Apart from your post at 23:27?

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