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Discovered Affair After Death

35 replies

NecessarilyAnonymous · 19/05/2021 19:09

Hello,

I am going to try and keep the details vague-ish (only those who know absolutely specifics will likely guess my identity, but this situation must be common enough it could be anyone).

I made a thread a few months ago after discovering a savings fund on my spouse's bank account entitled "X goes to Y" along with the purchase of two theatre tickets the day after we officially separated.

It turned out not to be a passing interest, a trip for head clearing space, but a four month emotional affair (that I can prove). My partner's close friends knew and this explains some of the odd reactions I have received.

I found their public playlists of love songs to each other. On the morning my partner left, they were listening to songs about going to the destination on the bank statement. On the anniversary of their death, the affair partner suddenly began listening to their funeral song over and over along with soundtracks from the show they were going to see.

They obviously had a huge musical connection. After my partner's sudden death, the affair-partner suddenly begins making strangely titled playlists called "moving on", "ghosts", and perhaps the worst one refers to a greek figure who died suddenly before she could be with her lover.

It explains so many things, such as the lack of valentine's that year (partner said they were not near a shop but they were on the bus to town according to their bank statement); being unable to look at me when saying they loved me; up and listening to music in the middle of the night for a few hours (time zones); brief phone panic when I asked to use it; certain of my partner's friends saying they "take comfort" in their "happiness" shortly before death. Not willing to say more because it might become obvious.

What I don't have is absolute proof (and perhaps I should be grateful I don't have to read all their inevitable messages).

As best I can tell, my partner has told their close friends I suddenly became "controlling" (this was someone encouraged to travel and see all their friends, and not once did I check their social media or phone) and "emotionally abusive", and the past few years had apparently been terrible (all whilst saying the opposite to me). And, the affair partner is themselves married, with a young child. That is something else I struggle with: what normal person brings a child into this?

I cannot possibly tell their family who I remain close to, not because I fear upsetting the relationship, but because their memories should remain intact.

Upon messaging the affair partner, they promptly deleted all their social media posts, removed the playlists, and made all public accounts private as did my partner's friends who knew (some suddenly blocked me).

There is no pretending our marriage was in trouble, but I was under the impression we were working it out in counselling. My partner told their family they "still love" me but "can't live" with me. Nothing about running off with a married person oddly enough. They also announced, before they died, they might be coming home (which also galls me as if I knew it would hardly have been an option).

I don't know if the affair was physical, and I'm not sure I care given the sustained lying is the worst part of this, coupled with monsterizing me, and in death, they have acquired saintly status described as "courageous" and "facing a fear" by their close friends. It beggars belief because all I see is a coward too afraid to tell the truth.

Ironically, one of the issues I raised in counselling was their constant need to portray themselves as the good guy when, in most situations, it's both parties doing stupid things. This one takes it to a pretty extreme level.

I don't know if I can face going through the devices I still have (a PC which I imagine is password protected). My head, understandably, is spinning and I feel like I have lost my person all over again. I cannot square what obviously happened with their apparent considering coming back, telling me they loved me, and a whole host of other messages. It feels like my partner became an alien with a split-personality.

So now, I'm left with their close friends hating me (believing them to have "rescued" someone from a bad situation who died before they could find true happiness), unable to tell their family, and raging because I cannot confront the one person who could answer.

I'm spending the trip fund money on counselling, believe me!

I'll try and say more in replies but if anyone even gets a hint of my identity I'll have to get the mods to delete.

OP posts:
HollowTalk · 19/05/2021 19:21

I'm so sorry you lost your partner. I'm a bit confused as to what happened, though. Did he/she die unexpectedly? Did the affair partner think they were going to be together? They were married themselves?

The use of 'they' is really distracting, btw.

Do you mean your partner's friends knew about the affair and blame you for not being enough for your partner?

Twinkie01 · 19/05/2021 19:23

Can you tell everyone that his version of events were bullshit and that he was painting you out to be a the bad guy to give himself an excuse to cheat on you?

Why does his version of events get to stand?

NecessarilyAnonymous · 19/05/2021 19:31

Hello,

Yes, my partner died unexpectedly (although there were clues in the weeks beforehand).

My partner's friends, or close friends, appear to be under the impression that I was abusive and controlling. These are the same people whose houses we visited, weddings we went to, and in one case, holidayed with. It is very odd how these claims of "abuse" co-incide with the affair. I never once checked my partner's phone, social media, or anything else, and never had issues with them visiting their friends. The worst that could be said is that I was uncommunicative due to life stresses.

Apparently, I also had a drink problem when I drank 2-3 nights a week and rarely to excess. This comes after I spent years dealing with my partner's drinking problem which escalated into lying and one violent outburst (which they were distraught about after waking up in the middle of the night realizing what they had done). After that, I said I was leaving, they got sober and remained so until they died. Whilst I'm proud of that achievement, I'm gobsmacked to discover that it's me who apparently had the problem.

I honestly feel I'm going insane.

OP posts:
sunnydays78 · 19/05/2021 19:31

Tell the truth! Lies make things so much worse it’ll come out

NecessarilyAnonymous · 19/05/2021 19:37

HollowTalk,

I have no idea if the woman's husband knew (I suspect not because they remain married on her FB and the day after my partner died she posted a status simply saying that a "beloved friend" had died and her "heart feels broken" which seems superficially normal for a close friend).

The week we separated this woman popped up on my partner's friends list for a day and then vanished. I suspect they decided to continue hiding due to panic.

It's really, really changed my perception of my partner. I did tell the friends that I knew and just got blocked everywhere. There are no answers to be found from them. It's my partner's family that I care about otherwise I'd be speaking under my own name. They are of the belief my partner wanted to come home (I am much more sceptical and just see someone confused about upending their entire life).

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MzHz · 19/05/2021 19:41

The fist thing you can do for yourself and for your late partner is to let go of the lies.

The weight of them is crushing you

I’m not saying go out of your way to bad mouth him, but just correct those who say things to you

These are not your lies to carry.

As in shedding oneself of the legacy of an abuser (as I have done) my mantra for the longest time was “and the truth shall set you free”

It looped in my head for the longest time.

I once told my ex “you have to lie to make me look bad. For me to make you look bad, all I have to do is tell the truth”

You must be so confused and mixed up about it. I hope you find this thread of huge help, you deserve all of our support and kindness

(((Hug)))

HollowTalk · 19/05/2021 19:42

I agree with that, about letting go of the lies. Having a false impression of someone won't do anyone any good.

Aquamarine1029 · 19/05/2021 19:51

I wouldn't waste another second being concerned with what your partner's friends think. They don't know both sides of the story and it's none of their business anyway. Your partner would obviously vilify you to them in order to justify his affair. Lies, lies, and more lies.

Like hell would I cover up their lies for another day. You didn't create this mess, don't burden yourself with cleaning it up.

Joeblack066 · 19/05/2021 19:55

@HollowTalk

I'm so sorry you lost your partner. I'm a bit confused as to what happened, though. Did he/she die unexpectedly? Did the affair partner think they were going to be together? They were married themselves?

The use of 'they' is really distracting, btw.

Do you mean your partner's friends knew about the affair and blame you for not being enough for your partner?

How odd you are distracted by the use of ‘they’? Perfectly good use of English.
MsPavlichenko · 19/05/2021 20:07

I sent you a PM.

Dontbeme · 19/05/2021 20:30

I remember your other post about this OP, and I'm sorry that the friends have behaved as they have, they are not true friends to you.

I think you should allow these people to fade from your life, they are adding no real value and are happy to believe lies. I mean any person with anything about them will understand and recognise the script a cheating person tells others to defend their actions. But for now it is easier for them to believe that you are the bad guy rather than confront the fact that the person they are grieving is not a saint but a complex person capable of behaving in less than stellar ways. So let them go, surround yourself with your own family and friends that know the truth and can provide you with the comfort and support you need now. I wish you well.

Taliskerskye · 19/05/2021 21:56

I agree. You need to let go of these people. They do you no good. God only knows what your partner said to them. Or the lies upon lies. People leave behinds all sorts of awful things to unravel and let others deal with. It’s awful for you.
Therapy therapy therapy.

The only lie I know is that only the good die young.

Onthedunes · 19/05/2021 21:59

So, if I am reading this right, your late husband was gaslighting you and smearing your reputation before his death and now you are having to deal with his flying monkeys who clearly don't really know the ins and outs of your marriage.

You don't need these people, don't give them another thought.
Some people are judgemental and horrible, sounds like they are trying to blame you for his death.

Unforgivable.

Lollypop701 · 19/05/2021 22:02

Other people are perhaps mixing up sorrow at his death with loyalty. You can’t change this. You shouldn’t live your life protecting him… but be thoughtful as to what you talk about and make sure it’s in your best interests. I have no idea how you are dealing with such a disparity of reality vs the web of lies op, but be kind to yourself

Taliskerskye · 19/05/2021 22:43

I agree. People make dead folk into saints. It’s very hard not to. So you’re left in purgatory. No one wants to deal with your double pain.
God I really feel for you, I’ve known similar and it’s horrendous. Utterly horrendous

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 19/05/2021 22:50

How absolutely horrendous for you OP

Hold Your Head High and speak the truth to anyone who disrespects you.

He was a cheating twat

Like most cheating twats and their affair partners he and she were trying to create a

"This is REAL love. Ours is a love that has never loved before, so any damage caused is justified"

narrative.

You need not concern yourself with what low people think of you anyway, how dare they?

Sssloou · 19/05/2021 23:15

I remember your earlier threads and I am really sorry that your suspicions have been confirmed. I imagine that this has just made an already intolerable situation even worse.

I think that you might be experiencing “disenfranchised grief” (you can google this) - this is a complex grief where you don’t feel “entitled” to grieve because the RS was complex (you were separated) - you feel others are judging you or somehow you need their permission to grieve fully. So you are stuck right at the early stages of grief.

You don’t need to prove that he was cheating and that you are / were not a monster to these “friends” or to his family.

You need to detach from these people and turn your back fully on watching the affair partner on SM - this will just keep hurting you deeply.

Surround yourself with loving radiant people who will support you come through multiple layered traumas - living with an addict, DV, gaslighting and smearing, affair, collapse of a marriage, sudden death of xpartner, ostracised by friends.

So much emotional injury here - you must be reeling and disorientated.

I hope that you can seek some grief counselling as a start point to unpick some of this to allow you to see the wood for the trees here.

HopeClearwater · 20/05/2021 13:48

The use of 'they' is really distracting, btw

Have a think about why the OP might have chosen to use this pronoun 🙄 that goes for previous posters who can’t see past traditional husband-wife partnerships 🙄🙄

NecessarilyAnonymous · 20/05/2021 19:49

Taliskerskye. Yes, the elevated to sainthood narrative is extremely frustrating. Several of my partner's close friends have called her "brave and strong" and spoke of her "courage." It astounds me: someone who appeared to be living a double life is a coward. I understand that marriages end, and people grow apart, but this was sustained deception involving calculation and monsterising me to justify it. Is this really a script?

SSSLoou. I have an excellent bereavement counsellor (I'm spending the travel fund on it!). I am just floored because the person I lived with for the last year or so seems to have turned into an unrecognizable alien who rewrote history. The "controlling" accusation throws me because I encouraged my partner on the very trips where I strongly suspect this affair began. All I asked was that they wrote down anything they were doing on the calendar so I knew in advance and could do my own thing. That was it.

I don't know if I want to go looking on my partner's computer (it's probably password protected but since it's not wiped the data must be accessible somehow) to put the timeline together since it's enough that something happened. They were messaging me a few days, and up to, dying unexpectedly too even telling people they might be coming back. Does that mean I was the backup or were they genuinely conflicted?

I will say that this has sped up the grieving process considerably! I have thrown more things out, put some photos away, and will soon start Ebaying some of their things. I feel very much done, and the cold fact is that I have been left in a position where I can start a brand new life. A close friend told me I had a "lucky and deserved escape" last night and there's some truth in that.

God only knows how to deal with their family. My inclination is to maintain the relationship but distance a little. They are all genuinely oblivious and are under the impression we were going to work it out based upon what my partner said about still loving me. We get on, and I see no reason to damage their memories due to my partner's calculated deception.

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Watapalava · 20/05/2021 20:35

sorry OP but its very confusing that you've written their all the way through when you mean his? It makes it hard to read as do you mean 'him' or 'they' as a couple?

Taliskerskye · 20/05/2021 20:37

@Watapalava
What does it matter about him they her.
It’s obvious from the thread what’s happened.
Or are you deliberately being obtuse

Watapalava · 20/05/2021 20:40

sorry OP didn't realise it was a pronoun thing

awful things to find out in such a horrible way - do look after yourself

Watapalava · 20/05/2021 20:41

talis

It is confusing to be fair as its a post about a couple so on first few reads you cant tell who's family/music etc shes talking about - his or theirs.

AlternativePerspective · 20/05/2021 20:49

OP has stated in her last post that the partner was female when she referred to “her” family and friends.

TBH OP these people who block someone without question aren’t friends. You don’t have to cover up your partner’s lies but equally I would just step away from these people. They’re not your friends, you can move forward now and create your own friendships without feeling the need to defend yourself.

As for her family, TBH I think it depends on what they’ve been told. If they’ve been told the lies that your DP told her friends then I might gently correct that. But if they haven’t been told anything then I don’t really think it’s necessary to bring it up.

I know that it hurts, but at the end of the day they have lost a child and a sibling. You throwing all the lies into the mix now isn’t going to achieve anything other than to make you look bitter if they weren’t under a different impression of you.

anon666 · 20/05/2021 20:54

You've been dealt a very shitty set of cards there by this person, now deceased. It must be bewildering and confusing.

I would work through it privately with your counsellor before dealing with it publicly.

People do sanctify the dead, they can hear no ill. It's some kind of pity-based auto-response, maybe even "survivors guilt". It's a complex emotional bag and I wouldn't choose to trample on it at this stage while you are still coming to terms with it all yourself. You may get dealt further blows by people who just can't see it.

If they were gaslighting you, they may have ben doing the same to everyone else. There will be a time and place to confront it, but in the future, once you are more resilient.