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Dating

57 replies

spaggboll · 19/05/2021 18:37

Is anyone else not bothered about dating and being in a relationship?

I haven't been on a date for about a year. With online dating I had a few situationships. There was lots of chasing from the men I dated in the beginning. Then they gradually lost interest or decided they weren't ready for a relationship. I don't think
I can be bothered now.

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crimsonlake · 25/09/2021 13:38

Well I am sat here reading when I should be getting ready for a date and I can summon no enthusiasm. I agreed to a second meet, by just confirming that he seems to have got over excited. To me it is just that, not the start of something.
I miss male companionship at times but on the rare times I venture on a date I never find that spark. I am just hoping he does not try to get hold of me at the end as I make my way to my car.

Spaggboll · 25/09/2021 13:40

@DillonPanthersTexas - It's a bit rude not to respond to texts or phone calls. I haven't done that if I like someone and want to continue dating them. If you really like someone a text from them can make your day.

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Spaggboll · 25/09/2021 13:43

@crimsonlake - perhaps your date is not for you if you are unenthusiastic about meeting. I hope you have a pleasant afternoon though.

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Thebiggerthecoffeethebetter · 25/09/2021 13:46

@crimsonlake

Well I am sat here reading when I should be getting ready for a date and I can summon no enthusiasm. I agreed to a second meet, by just confirming that he seems to have got over excited. To me it is just that, not the start of something. I miss male companionship at times but on the rare times I venture on a date I never find that spark. I am just hoping he does not try to get hold of me at the end as I make my way to my car.
I know right! They get so excited....over excited....for no reason (i.e they don't actually know me, so how could they be so keen and excited about me already) It is so odd.

Single for 13 years here and don't really see a problem with it.

I do not find OLD soul destroying like most seem to. I just find it boring tbh.

TossaCointoYerWitcher · 25/09/2021 14:09

I just got sick of the moment where the other person realises the real-life you is different to the you they’d pictured from your online interaction. I don’t lie on my profile, but even so it’s inevitable that people build something up in their heads that’s a mirage.

Plus OLD also gives the illusion of unlimited choice. So people are encouraged to treat the most shallow of flaws as dealbreakers. Hair not done the right way? Next! The app creators deliberately push the notion that someone just a smidgen better might be just another swipe away… Because that keeps you on the app and paying them money.

Dates started to feel like a series of “wow me straight away or your toast!” auditions. I’m happier getting to know someone more slowly. My healthiest relationships have always developed that way. OLD isn’t really conducive to that. There’s too much pressure for immediate results.

Musttryharder2021 · 25/09/2021 14:13

@Thebiggerthecoffeethebetter

I think I found it soul destroying because at the time I was hoping to meet someone and have a child/family with them...I'd gone on to that on my own as a solo parent to be..

As for why the men get so excited, I'm going to be really cynical so please take no offence, they're either love bombing or they're looking forward to (the possible idea) of getting laid soon....of course a less cynical me would say they're excited to get to know you. Good luck on your date!

Musttryharder2021 · 25/09/2021 14:14

@crimsonlake

Good luck on your date (sorry not @Thebiggerthecoffeethebetter)

Musttryharder2021 · 25/09/2021 14:19

@TossaCointoYerWitcher

I just got sick of the moment where the other person realises the real-life you is different to the you they’d pictured from your online interaction. I don’t lie on my profile, but even so it’s inevitable that people build something up in their heads that’s a mirage.

Plus OLD also gives the illusion of unlimited choice. So people are encouraged to treat the most shallow of flaws as dealbreakers. Hair not done the right way? Next! The app creators deliberately push the notion that someone just a smidgen better might be just another swipe away… Because that keeps you on the app and paying them money.

Dates started to feel like a series of “wow me straight away or your toast!” auditions. I’m happier getting to know someone more slowly. My healthiest relationships have always developed that way. OLD isn’t really conducive to that. There’s too much pressure for immediate results.

Fully agree with your post op!
EarthSight · 25/09/2021 14:30

@KurtWilde

Same here. Although like Umbrella I'd quite like to snog a few more guys before I hand in my notice on that score. Not fussed about relationships though. It'll be me and some (more) animals and some tatty cottage out in the wilderness when my youngest has flown the nest Grin
Good luck doing this. I'm Welsh and we can barely afford 'tatty cottages' thanks to 2nd home ownership. @KurtWilde
OuiOuiBonjour · 25/09/2021 14:39

I'd like to meet someone and settle down, have children together etc but I'm 37, not interested in sex outside of a commited relationship and really can't bear the thought of OLD. I don't want dick pics, being treated like a fast food menu, shit communication, pornified relationships, weird politic views or consipiracy theorists etc.

I just want someone genuine and decent with standards and values. I hate socialising with strangers. The idea of regular dates with total strangers fills me with dread.

But then I live in a small place and work in a female dominated workplace so meeting someone any other way seems limited. There aren't alot of mixed sex hobbies where I am from.

I feel like there's a gap in the market. Real life meet ups or "friendship" groups where people can meet safely in groups and hang out and make both friends and potential romantic connections. I know there is MeetUp but outside of major cities there's not much going on. There's a small group in my hometown, but without meaning to be rude, some of the people that attend are not people it would be good or safe to be in a relationship with.

Maybe I need to move.

OuiOuiBonjour · 25/09/2021 14:51

But also, equally, I've been single for almost 7 years now and I feel like I can't remember "how" to be in a relationship and the idea of being someone's girlfriend seems a bit weird. I've just been alone for such a long time. I would be way out of my comfort zone being wined and dined or having someone treat me to things or be sweet to me. I'm quite strong and independent and I think it would be hard to be vulnerable with someone again. And I like my own space from time to time. I'm a bit like a cat. I want a home and a nice spot to snuggle up to other humans, but I need a catflap for when it all gets too much. And one minute I might be fine with having my tummy stroked but without warning I might suddenly bite and dig my claws in to my loving human's hand and I have no idea why.

Just rambling now but hopefully someone is as weird as me and can relate!

thefourgp · 25/09/2021 15:01

I feel the same as you @OuiOuiBonjour

I was ghosted and blocked recently and I was discussing with my mum today about how I was so hopeful that I’d found someone who had similar interests to me (joked about tv shows we both watched/enjoys being outside/pets/have children etc), had a good job, his own home and car (as I do) and seemed a nice, friendly guy who wasn’t looking for someone to be his domestic slave or online sexual relief. She said ‘yeah, he did seem a bit too good to be true’ and I thought, ‘really?’. Why should that be too good to be true? I don’t think my standards are too high but I do think the majority of men on dating sites are not looking for an equal committed partnership. I wish I weren’t so cynical but that’s how I feel more and more nowadays.

Shehasadiamondinthesky · 25/09/2021 15:05

HELL NO, I can't even think about another relationship ever again. I have friends to go to the pub too.
I don't a man I could stick living with exists.

Musttryharder2021 · 25/09/2021 15:12

@OuiOuiBonjour

Apologies, if I have already written back to you about this, but have you considered being a solo parent via a sperm donor?
I was in the same turmoil as you aged 36-38/39 on/off dating/having a situanship with someone but ultimately it ended...
I took the decision to go at it alone (having realised that time wasn't on my side, and I didn't/couldn't face anymore disappointments re dating). I'm currently 28 weeks pregnant and couldn't be happier, very lucky that so far all is going well. I'm happy to discuss more if you're interested in a private chat!

Musttryharder2021 · 25/09/2021 15:18

@thefourgp

I feel the same as you *@OuiOuiBonjour*

I was ghosted and blocked recently and I was discussing with my mum today about how I was so hopeful that I’d found someone who had similar interests to me (joked about tv shows we both watched/enjoys being outside/pets/have children etc), had a good job, his own home and car (as I do) and seemed a nice, friendly guy who wasn’t looking for someone to be his domestic slave or online sexual relief. She said ‘yeah, he did seem a bit too good to be true’ and I thought, ‘really?’. Why should that be too good to be true? I don’t think my standards are too high but I do think the majority of men on dating sites are not looking for an equal committed partnership. I wish I weren’t so cynical but that’s how I feel more and more nowadays.

@thefourgp

I also have found that to be the case when I was dating aged 36-37/38 ...the men were definitely not looking for anything serious especially of they've already done the marriage/children bit with the previous partner.

I've experienced future faking to be very common in order to get me to sleep with them faster...I also think they now want something different to the domestic drudgery which they experienced in their precious long term relationship/marriage so are looking for more casual arrangements. Sorry to hear Op your recent experience about being blocked and deleted, it's just so demoralising especially when you thought things were going well!

OuiOuiBonjour · 25/09/2021 15:19

@thefourgp

I feel the same as you *@OuiOuiBonjour*

I was ghosted and blocked recently and I was discussing with my mum today about how I was so hopeful that I’d found someone who had similar interests to me (joked about tv shows we both watched/enjoys being outside/pets/have children etc), had a good job, his own home and car (as I do) and seemed a nice, friendly guy who wasn’t looking for someone to be his domestic slave or online sexual relief. She said ‘yeah, he did seem a bit too good to be true’ and I thought, ‘really?’. Why should that be too good to be true? I don’t think my standards are too high but I do think the majority of men on dating sites are not looking for an equal committed partnership. I wish I weren’t so cynical but that’s how I feel more and more nowadays.

I really relate to this. I'm sorry you were ghosted Flowers.

You aren't unrealistic at all. What you've described should be the baseline for a good relationship with a man, not some unattainable standard. If it's less than that why bother? How is that going to enhance your life?

My Mum can be similar. She'll say things like "it's disgusting that Jordan has to come in from work and put a wash on. Kelly says he hoovers and irons too. And I think he sometimes takes the kids out on a Saturday. And Kelly expects him to make meals half the week. What kind of wife is she?" When I say "Mum. Jordan works behind a desk 9-5 Monday to Friday. Kelly works 12 hour shifts as a full time paramedic. Nights. Weekends. Christmas. They split the housework and childcare. That's perfectly normal. It's the way it should be."
She tells me I am "living on cloud cuckoo land if you think any other man would put up with that."

And then I look at her past marriages including with my Dad and think, "why would I ever trust this woman's views on relationships?" Grin

Spaggboll · 25/09/2021 15:24

@OuiOuiBonjour - it so disheartening isn't it.

What I don't like about online dating is the emotional rollercoaster rides. The anticipation of a date and then feeling flat when there is no spark or they look nothing like their photos. Then, in my case, finding someone I like, having a few dates and it ending out of the blue because they probably have other options. I know OLD can work for some people though.

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OuiOuiBonjour · 25/09/2021 15:25

[quote Musttryharder2021]@OuiOuiBonjour

Apologies, if I have already written back to you about this, but have you considered being a solo parent via a sperm donor?
I was in the same turmoil as you aged 36-38/39 on/off dating/having a situanship with someone but ultimately it ended...
I took the decision to go at it alone (having realised that time wasn't on my side, and I didn't/couldn't face anymore disappointments re dating). I'm currently 28 weeks pregnant and couldn't be happier, very lucky that so far all is going well. I'm happy to discuss more if you're interested in a private chat![/quote]
Thanks. Yes, it's definitely something I would never do. It just wouldn't be right for me and I have weighed it up and I'd rather be childless or look into fostering in my 40s/50s or adopting if I met the right person later. I absolutely 100% don't want to be a single parent by choice to a sperm donor child but I do completely understand why many women go down that route and I'm glad things are working out for you and wish you a very healthy pregnancy and happy life ahead with your little one Flowers.

OuiOuiBonjour · 25/09/2021 16:07

[quote Spaggboll]@OuiOuiBonjour - it so disheartening isn't it.

What I don't like about online dating is the emotional rollercoaster rides. The anticipation of a date and then feeling flat when there is no spark or they look nothing like their photos. Then, in my case, finding someone I like, having a few dates and it ending out of the blue because they probably have other options. I know OLD can work for some people though.[/quote]
It's the hope that kills isn't it?

I haven't tried OLD but I've had similar experiences with men I've met IRL. Moreso offline it's when you meet and you think there could be a spark and start believing that this could have legs and then you find something out about them or their behaviour disappoints you.

So in the past, an example would be meeting a really clean cut, gentlemanly guy at a couple of events through a family friend. He told her he really liked me and was gutted I was married already. My friend laughed and said "she's not!" gave him my number and we spent a couple of weeks chatting before arranging a date. We had really got on, over the phone. I'd already met him a few times at things like christenings and birthdays and found him physically attractive and "my type".

We meet for the date and he shows up unwashed and smelling, hair not brushed or anything, dressed totally differently (tracky bottoms, stained tshirt, genuinely stinking hoody that clearly hadn't been washed in months), immediately starts being loud and sweary in this nice location with decent customers, boasts about recreational drug use and petty crime after 5 mins, tells me openly that he "fucking hates the good boy act he has to put on around his family", tells me he can't stand his cousin the childhood friend who we met through or the rest of her side of the family (who I love) and shows serious red flags. Oh and tries to put his hand up my dress into my knickers several times and then forces an open mouthed kiss on me after I'd turned my face and body away from him when he moved in. Like he physically grabbed my head and twisted me back to him. I felt so horrible after that date.

In the winter of 2019, after about 2 years
of thinking "sod it, I can't even be bothered looking!" I spotted a guy at an Open Mic Night we were both in and had a really good feeing about him. I really wanted to go and introduce myself to him and say Hi which is SO unlike me but I was feeing brave that night. Anyway, he ended up leaving as soon as his band had played their last song. Turned out we knew lots of people in common. I know us musicicans can get a bad rep but I'd seen him interacting with people and he was just very humble and patient. Something went wrong, other people kicked off, he handled it really well. Was kind to the person who had made the error, no arrogance or entitlement like his band mates,
calmly diffused the situation. It really impressed me. Anyway, I didn't mention him to anyone but later several people mentioned him to me and one openly said that she would love for us to get together as we were well suited and she mentioned he was lovely, single, wanted to settle down, we shared a religion, interests etc. I'd hoped we'd get a chance to properly meet again as we were due to play the same gig in the Spring of 2020 but it obviously got cancelled. I forgot all about him.

During lockdown, a different mutual friend sent me a message from him, he (the guy) was passing on his number if I wanted to get in touch. We spoke on the phone, it was great. He was sweet and made me laugh. He sent me huge long texts and emails. We worked on a project together from afar. A couple of times I mentioned a walk but he never seemed to take me up on it, even though he sent really long and complimentary communication and was in touch a couple of times a week and sometimes daily. He just seemed so decent and exactly the kind of person I wanted to get to know better.

It got to the stage that I decided I was just going to be open and ask him out, which is unlike me. But almost at exactly the same time, I noticed that the tone had changed in his communication without any real reason why. Then he disappeared.

After Christmas 2020, he got back in touch. I sent a reply. He gushed back that it was always so good to hear from me. I replied again and he sent an epically long but really well written lovely message back confiding some quite sad things he'd been going through, asking things about me. It really seemed like the most personal message he'd ever sent and in it he had offered to do me a favour (voluntarily). I sent a really nice and long reply next, accepting his help and offering to return the favour. I'd given up hope months before and thought this was a new start.

But he never replied. Never did the favour he promised, knowing it would have a knock on effect on some quite vulnerable people. Just ghosted me and I've never heard from him again.

And I feel like he was as good as it gets round here. I only wanted to go for a walk with him as well, I wasn't expecting to marry him or anything. I just wanted a chance to see if there was any potential there. But even that was too much to expect.

crimsonlake · 25/09/2021 17:38

OuiOuiBonjour, I can relate to every word you have written, I would have no idea how to be someone's partner.
Back to my second date, which ended on a very unsettling note....
I did not have the usual...there is no spark as soon as I set eyes on him again which usually happens everytime ( not that I am a serial dater in any sense of the word) so that can be counted as a positive.
In total spent 2.5 hours together, although I was ready to go after 1.5 as you can have too much of a good thing :)
Conversation covered all manner of things and we laughed a good deal. However when I brought things to a close he seemed surprised.
We walked out to the car and there was barely a good bye, just a type of shrug as he went to his own?
I would compare the behaviour to a strop? Not sure why he was disappointed? Anyway I was surprised and drove home very put off by this.
As an update, as I am typing just received a text from him asking me out for a meal next week! Very strange behaviour indeed.

OuiOuiBonjour · 25/09/2021 17:47

@crimsonlake

OuiOuiBonjour, I can relate to every word you have written, I would have no idea how to be someone's partner. Back to my second date, which ended on a very unsettling note.... I did not have the usual...there is no spark as soon as I set eyes on him again which usually happens everytime ( not that I am a serial dater in any sense of the word) so that can be counted as a positive. In total spent 2.5 hours together, although I was ready to go after 1.5 as you can have too much of a good thing :) Conversation covered all manner of things and we laughed a good deal. However when I brought things to a close he seemed surprised. We walked out to the car and there was barely a good bye, just a type of shrug as he went to his own? I would compare the behaviour to a strop? Not sure why he was disappointed? Anyway I was surprised and drove home very put off by this. As an update, as I am typing just received a text from him asking me out for a meal next week! Very strange behaviour indeed.
I'm both glad and sad I'm not alone in my thoughts and feelings.

I hate people that play devil's advocate but, I'm going to have to.

Your second date reads positively in many ways. I think perhaps he felt things were ending to soon and wanted to spend more time with you. Maybe he pre-empted a rejection and the weird behaviour was defensive. I'd say he was sulking he wasn't getting easy sex but he wants another date.

The behaviour isn't great and enough to mentally mark as a possible future issue which might not be resolvable (if he has a tendency to act like a spoiled child when he doesn't get his way for example).

Have you replied? Do you think you could ask him what the end of the date was all about? His reaction would tell you alot.

If it makes him more defensive, avoid. If he says, "I had a really good time and was worried that you didn't enjoy yourself as much when you wanted to leave. Sorry, I was preoccupied and wondering if I'd done something wrong." Then he might still have potential.

crimsonlake · 25/09/2021 18:07

OuiOuiBonjour, no I have not responded and I am sure it was not about 'sex' as on the two occasions we have met we have sat opposite each other and no touching at all.
I agree it most likely due to him wanting to spend more time with me but you can only sit with a coffee for so long and to behave like a disappointed child at the end does not bode well.
I have hit 60, the usual...told I look much younger etc but still want to find attraction, however it is like looking for the holy grail!
I was speaking to a married friend and saying I cannot imagine being with the same person 24/7. I did this when I was married but it seems like another life now and do not know how I did it.
Speaking to other friends recently who like me are all young in their ways, they told me we could not expect to find any spark in men we meet anymore.
Thanks for responding :)

Spaggboll · 25/09/2021 19:26

@OuiOuiBonjour - That's exactly it - I get hopeful about someone and then end up disappointed or hurt. That guy you went on a date with sounds awful! It's a shame about the other one you met.

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eshikakhanna · 17/12/2021 05:36

I have had good dating experience online, have used many dating apps and got so many friends, contacts. Actually I am open for short term relationships so I avoid get clingy and just prefer to go with the flow.

Furrybutts · 17/12/2021 05:45

Got divorced 12 years ago aged 40.
Had a couple of short relationships after that, but nothing serious.
Got introduced to the swinging scene around 10 years ago, and never looked back.
From the scene I have the best friends I've ever made, and great sex whenever I want it.
Best bit is no ties and being able to live a single life as well.
I'm very busy now, too busy with adult children, work, friends, hobbies, dogs and grandchildren for a relationship, and have absolutely no desire for one. I've honestly never been happier or more content.
Recommend this lifestyle to anyone.