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39 replies

LostInManchester · 18/05/2021 14:13

I have been with my DW for over a decade. After a few years together I thought that our relationship was great with the same values and dreams, but the sex was lacking. Some of this was on my part - I wasn't confident in bed. But I felt that other areas of the relationship were great and my view back then was that sex wasn't that important.

Around the time that I proposed, both her parents became ill. It was a tough time. None of her siblings helped, so it was down to her to act as help. This was on top of us both seeing our careers take off and so there was never really any free time. She spent most weekends supporting her family, We wanted to get married but the family issues meant we just did it on our own. Im not a confident person, so not having 100 people looking at you the whole day kind of suited me.

It went on for years - most weekends away. I did what I could to help, which pretty much meant my weekends were cooking, cleaning, ironing etc and making sure my DW didnt have to think about it. My DW also works away a lot, and some weeks I wouldnt see her in the week.

It was at this time I started to notice that my DW could be very critical. The cleaning wasn't good enough etc, very passive aggressive. She would also be quite controlling - if she was away she would frequently texting asking what I was doing. Or not allowing me to buy things for the house that I wanted. At the time I didn't really think anything of it, I just thought she was caring.

The sex dried up. Work hours in the week were long and she was never here at weekends, so it was sort of expected. I didn't say anything and sorted myself out, if you know what I mean (sorry if its TMI).

Around 3 years ago I said I wanted to start a family - we had sex two or three times. I hated it. The pressure was immense and it took a while to finish, if at all. We haven't had sex since. Around 18 months ago I sat my DW and said something has to change. I said we need to communicate better etc, and work out what's happening.

Both her parents passed away sadly - she is now trying to compensate for the lost years - she always wants to go out or be doing stuff. Around 18 months ago I said that we had to change - I was tired and developing depression. Over the next six months I tried to engage, say how I was feeling and explain why I didn't want to have sex. When I asked her, she just said sex was unimportant to her. For me there are two issues. One was the pressure in trying to conceive and the second being that I felt the dynamic outside the bedroom (her being quite critical and dismissive of me) meant there was no desire to have sex. She just kept saying that sex wasn't important to her, and that the issue is that I cant finish.

So then I found couples counsellor, but after 3 months I said we should stop. The counsellor said the issue was that I wasn't committed anymore. My DW said that in a 1:1 session, the counsellor told her that I was abusive because I was wanting change and in turn controlling. Fast forward to now... we have been in separate bedrooms for a year.

My DW is adamant that we cant split up. She says that she doesn't want to, and doesn't see a life without me. But I've noticed that over the past few years she wont undress in front of me. I don't know what to do anymore, so I am all ears.

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BookiesBicycle · 18/05/2021 14:25

I’m sorry you’ve been through this. It sounds frustrating and exhausting. You have been very patient with her.

Her criticisms of you cannot be all that serious since she is adamant she wants the relationship to continue.

It sounds to be like you have been very useful to her, with you keeping the home fires burning all these years, there has been something of a small role reversal.

Twistered · 18/05/2021 14:27

The marriage is over.
Sorry

Fyredraca · 18/05/2021 14:33

So you don't want sex and she is ok with that?

Ohsugarhoneyicetea · 18/05/2021 14:38

Sounds like neither of your want to have sex with each other. But I guess the issue is, you want to have sex but not with each other?

Anyway I would say the relationship has run it course, doesn't seem to be making either of you happy anymore.

LostInManchester · 18/05/2021 14:42

@BookiesBicycle Yes the criticisms are small, but frequent and accumulating. We just had new carpets upstairs, and so she'd prefer I dont take a drink to bed. Just loads of stuff like that. When I clean I am too slow. She doesnt want me using a dustpan and brush in the kitchen if there are crumbs, it has to be the hoover.

@Fyredraca At the moment I dont want sex with her yes, whether that will come back I dont know. She has never once asked for more sex. When we had it a few years ago, she just said that was nice and we should do it more often

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Fyredraca · 18/05/2021 14:45

So what is it that you want from the relationship. If you could wave a magic wand, what would that look like?

akissbeforebed · 18/05/2021 14:50

My DW is adamant that we cant split up.

It's not really her decision. This marriage sounds dead in the water (sorry) and if you want to end it, you don't need her permission.

Flyg · 18/05/2021 14:53

I couldnt sleep with a partner who was constantly ciritical, its one of the reasons my last relationship ended.

What do you want do you think? Is this relationship making you happy? If not how long has it been since it made you happy?

Bellyups · 18/05/2021 14:56

Your marriage ended years ago.

And, her being adamant you can’t split up? That’s not her decision

MrsRabbits · 18/05/2021 15:00

What do you want? It’s not at all clear from your OP. Is it a good relationship with your wife? Because nothing will change there from what you’ve said. Is there a reason to stay? Is there any happiness in the marriage at all?

MrsRabbits · 18/05/2021 15:01

You sound worn down. Like you’ve lost your identity. Her comment about you not being able to split up shows how skewed the dynamic is between you, that she thinks that if she says it can’t happen then you’ll just accept that?

Twistered · 18/05/2021 15:30

You wife may be adamant that you can't split. But you can. And you know this.
You do have choices
You can pack a bag right now and leave if you want to.
You can start looking for somewhere else to live right now
You can see a solicitor for a divorce right now
You can tell your wife it's over right now

You are not powerless.
It sounds like neither of you are happy so why would you stay together

Sunflower1970 · 18/05/2021 16:58

It’s run it’s course. Time to split

LostInManchester · 18/05/2021 16:59

@Flyg I haven't been happy for around two years. But I think before that I was unhappy but feared saying anything. Its very hard, albeit impossible to say to someone who has devoted six years of their life looking after their parents to say that you think there has been a consequence. I agree she had to do what she had to do, and she has even told me that she wishes she spent more time with them.

@MrsRabbits I agree on your point about the dynamic. I admit maybe I don't have the highest EQ but its subtle and I see it more now.

What do I want:

  • To be able to live without fear of being told off
  • To have an active sexual relationship
  • To be in a relationship of equals - I feel I drive a lot of the day to day stuff forward, and it was me that is deciding on counselling and sorting it all out.
  • I want a child, but we are both nearly 40.....

She clearly doesn't want anything to change anything about the relationship at all. She says she is less controlling and less angry than a while ago

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MrsRabbits · 18/05/2021 17:04

I’m no expert. Far wiser people on this board than I. But my gut reaction to your post is either more counselling with you both fully engaged or you have to walk. Of the two, the latter feels more appropriate but you may not feel ready to take that step? But, from the little we know, the chances of you getting what you want on your list from your current relationship are very very low sadly.

MrsRabbits · 18/05/2021 17:08

If she wanted a child, surely she would be saying so? From what you’ve said, she’s enjoying the freedom to live free of the responsibility for her parents.

As for your sex life, have you enjoyed a more normal sex life with others before your DW? You mentioned you having issues with that early in the relationship. Do you think you would have a more fulfilling sex life with another partner or are there some issues there that you need to work on yourself?

I write as someone living in a sexless marriage myself. It’s utterly miserable and lonely.

LostInManchester · 18/05/2021 17:23

@MrsRabbits Sorry to hear that. Yes, its lonely.

She says she wants a child, but when I then said well how do you expect that to happen in a sexless marriage she just said she hoped one day that I would sort out the situation. So now I think maybe she doesn't really want a child, but doesn't want to lose me.

I had occasional sexual partners before, but nothing serious. This is the problem.. the only way I would know what its like would be to end the marriage or maybe agree on an open relationship. I read somewhere the latter is just a slow divorce.

But when I try and raise the issue, she just says things like most 40 year olds dont have sex anyway, and that the issue is me not being able to finish. Maybe it is... but I just dont know.

As I read on here, the grass isnt always greener is it

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DungeonKeeper · 18/05/2021 17:31

So if you can’t finish have you sought out help for that?

How about counselling by yourself?

I think your marriage is done if I’m honest and neither of you should be bringing a child into it.

MrsRabbits · 18/05/2021 17:32

She sounds utterly passive. Like she’s checked out. The communication between you that you describe sounds completely ineffective. Approaching 40, if she really wanted a child, she’d be proactive in making it happen. If she wanted to be a mum she’d be demanding that things between you get resolved.

It’s nonsense to say 40 year olds don’t have sex and I’m sure you know that. That’s completely ridiculous.

As for the problems with you being able orgasm whilst having sex, it sounds like the emotional connection between the two of you is non existent. That may be partly why but I am not an expert.

My overwhelming sense is that you need to get a dose of energy from somewhere, fire yourself up and sort this out before you waste too much more time. You could be having a much more fulfilled life with someone else. If she won’t meet you half way then you need to break free otherwise you will look back in years to come with regret. Your resentment towards her will also only grow in my view.

An open relationship isn’t what you want if you look at your list. Sex outside your marriage brings so many other issues, so much additional pain, hurt and confusion, just don’t go there and I write that as someone who has.

MrsRabbits · 18/05/2021 17:33

And yes, agree some counselling just for you may be helpful for you to get your head straight and to try and make a plan.

Sakurami · 18/05/2021 17:37

I don't think you live each other, or fancy each other or even like each other. With no kids involved, I don't see why you're still together.

HollowTalk · 18/05/2021 17:41

Oh lord, why on earth are you still together? Just because you made the decision to be together at the start, it doesn't mean you have to be together forever. It's not a life sentence. It's meant to be fun. Fulfilling. At the very least, pleasant!

LostInManchester · 18/05/2021 17:49

Its funny, because she is passive in that she doesn't want to do change or address issues but then she is very aggressive in other aspects. Like telling me how to do things.

Im glad you said about the emotional connection because I came to that conclusion. I even told my DW in lockdown that we needed to find a stronger emotional bond. She laughed saying that Im asking for something to exist that's intangible... and that all we needed to do was go to pubs or days out and hold hands and that will bring the sex back. I admit, I've shrunk into a hold over the past few years.

I think I probably have quite a high sex drive. I masturbate maybe once a day or once every other day. And not being able to orgasm during sex - towards the end I just felt this enormous pressure to perform, I didn't really enjoy it. It didn't feel connected. I suggested new positions or something to spice it up. She is not interested. In fact she doesn't seem to show any sexuality at all. She wont talk about it, and doesn't want to use the word vagina and will use code words. But then in the past month she has started trying to feel me up when Im in the kitchen which is a bit weird.

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Susie477 · 18/05/2021 17:58

The marriage sounds completely dead, OP, and it sounds like you are barely able to tolerate one another, never mind make each other happy.

A marriage isn’t a prison sentence. You haven’t got children, so it’s time to agree to split up as amicably as possible and move on with your lives separately. You don’t need her permission to end the marriage.

Good luck.