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Is it his depression or has he had enough of married life?

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HighEdge · 16/05/2021 02:36

My husband has been depressed since we got married four years ago.

Context: We moved together to a different city (not far—about a 1 hour and 15 mins drive from hour hometown) because we both found jobs there. Finding jobs in our hometown is nearly impossible. I insisted on moving, but he wanted to drive back and forth every day. In fact, he had been doing that for a few months before we moved and said he was happy. I thought if we moved we would have better quality of life, specially me since I hate traffic. He likes living in our hometown where he has a social life, which isn't really the case in the new city. He was depressed and unhappy about our arrangement already before the pandemic, and I had a plan to get our social life going here. But then covid happened, and it has taken a toll on his emotional health too.

We had some savings and I suggested we buy an apartment. He agreed, and we bought the one I liked the most, I'll admit it (he didn't fight me on that).

Then we hired someone to renovate the apartment and got scammed and lost a significant sum of money, and he blames that on us/ on himself, says we let ourselves get played and that it's a disappointment that will linger with us all life. He regrets that we lost all the money he earned when he was single and never invested on himself.

Now he wishes he could go back and not move to the city like I wanted, not buy the apartment like I wanted, and not hire the conman who scammed us, which was also my suggestion unfortunately, because all those decisions have made him nothing but miserable.

He told me that he is sad, he feels isolated and alone, unfulfilled and like a failure. He hates our life as it is. He has no visions of a promising future. He has nothing but responsibilities to look forward to. Nothing in our life has been "designed" by him and he doesn't feel involved. He feels like his needs and desires are not taken into consideration ever by me. From what he says, I think he feels like he's living someone else's life.

He says we were in love before, we were friends. Now we're not. It's only dealing with ugly stuff and responsibilities. But I don't have that feeling at all?? Sure, we've been dealing with some difficult stuff, but we're managing well. And we are affectionate and happy usually.

I am absolutely broken since he confessed all of this. What the hell have I been working so hard for? For what then have I sacrificed the best years of my life? I have been so invested on us that I think I lost myself. I thought it was something we both wanted. He always wanted to have babies. I envisioned a family together, a confortable life, but only if we are going to be a team. Only if he wants that too himself. I think about all the opportunities I let go because of what I thought was OUR project, only to find that our life together as it is is killing him. And I would never look back if were really achieving all that, happiness, a good life, but we're not.

I love him with all my heart. I want him to be happy and fulfilled and the last thing I want is to be the reason he's the opposite of that, and I told him. How have I forced this boring existence on him, all along thinking I was giving him what he wanted? I am so confused and in so much pain at the moment I can hardly breathe.

I agree that I can be stubborn when I know what I want, and he bends over backwards to please me. I can tell that his love for me is strained. Lately, everything I do is wrong, or annoying, or hurtful. I try and try to be the best version of myself but I just can't get it right. Which makes me think that the real issue is not depression but the fact that we are incompatible. Or maybe he has fallen out of love with me to the point he can't stand me, and fighting feelings of guilt. Both ideas are unbearable. He says he loves me very much, but perhaps he hasn't realised yet that he doesn't, or is it my anxiety playing games???

I am crossing fingers that some of you give me some hope, any hope, because this is the man I love and want to have a family with.

Thanks a lot.

OP posts:
Cactuslove · 16/05/2021 04:10

I think it is about speaking to him- what does he want? Would a move back to your hometown be worth considering? You've tried it your way without a commute and it hasn't worked- or at least not for him. A compromise would be moving back and seeing how you get on. I do think you are at a point where you need to listen to what he is saying.

I'm sorry you're going through this- but it sounds like he has communicated with you what the issues are for him and doing that means you have a chance to resolve things.

Guavafish · 16/05/2021 05:00

He does sound depressed and seems to have great deal of resentment towards the move, apartment and being conned.

I suppose I would feel the same way too but he sounds like a people pleaser/push over. He has done everything to make you happy/comfortable.

I’d look into moving back and make him part of the discussion making process. I think that’s key. Let him commute and reconnect with friend again.

Sunflower1970 · 16/05/2021 05:24

I think from your wording ‘ you insisted you move’ is very telling. You sound like the dominant, driving force behind a move he didn’t want, an apartment he didn’t choose and money he didn’t want to lose. Maybe he is done pleasing you and is missing all the things he really didn’t want to lose, like his friends. He is sad and isolated with no social life. To be honest maybe it’s time to start listening to his wants and needs rather than the plan you are forging ahead with? I think I would be depressed too if I was him. If you truly love him you need to start listening and hope he gives you a chance to make him happy

Saltyslug · 16/05/2021 05:33

How long have you lived in the new city? What steps has he taken to intergrate into the community and build relationships/connections. Would he have felt depressed in his hometown during lockdown? Mental health issues have increased across the whole nation due to lockdown? Has he spoken to his GP? Is he exercising? Is he getting enough sleep?is he chatting to old mates over the phone?

It does seem like he has made a lot of compromises and that you’ve made less. Being scammed was the final straw. However he needs to lick his wounds and then move forward however he wants to move forward. There’s only so long he can regret events before dusting himself down and getting on with life in what ever form he decides. Putting the negatives down as stuff he’s learnt something from.

In your shoes I’d ask him to join some clubs locally. Tennis or whatever and help him start to fill his life with things he finds fulfilling. Support him to make connections.

However after a year I’d be tempted to suggest he hire a box room in his hometown for 6 months so that he can drive back and forth and really work out what the issues are as they might be Un resolvable in your new city. Don’t organise his life for him, let him decide and make these plans.

Sportysporty · 16/05/2021 06:19

Honestly sounds like you always get your own way and are both surprised and cross when he has a reaction to the consequences.

Melitza · 16/05/2021 06:43

Youre not a team though are you?
All your plans were for your idea of the future and not your dp's.
You talk about your sacrifices and yet it was you that got your way everytime.

You need to learn how to listen and how to compromise.
Sorry to be harsh.

mostlydrinkstea · 16/05/2021 07:00

It sounds like the move to the new place hasn't worked for him. He liked his hometown and was happy to commute. Can you move back? Of find somewhere between the two where he can get back to his friends to socialise and you don't have to deal with so much of the traffic to commute?

The pandemic and lockdown will not have helped and you may not be able to do anything straight away but maybe talk about options. You've had your apartment living big city life and it wasn't for him. So find a new plan and listen to what he wants. It may not work but at least you will have tried.

Snog · 16/05/2021 08:13

This may not have happened were it not for Covid.

You have not been able to develop a new social life in your new city in the pandemic. The pandemic has strained mental health for so many of us and strained relationships too.

DH probably needs professional support for his mental health but he will get through this. Now is the time for you both to start to build a good social life in your new city.

PermanentTemporary · 16/05/2021 08:20

I'm intrigued about the way you have written your account. You wrote it with a very sensitive understanding of what he is saying, what he objected to. So much so that I'm a bit surprised. You don't in this piece sound like someone who doesn't listen or who overrules him.

It's true though that i still can't hear what he actually wants now. Is that the depression? Is he unable to think how things could be better? It seems that he thought he wanted someone who would take the lead and make the decisions, but hates the results.

I would certainly talk a lot more before you make further changes, maybe with a counsellor. Also is there any legal recourse against the scammer? Ice been scammed twice and my dad was heavily involved with a bunch of them for years so I'm not assuming there would be.

HighEdge · 16/05/2021 08:30

Hey thank you everyone for taking a few minutes of your time to read & reply to my post. You're absolutely right, I did get my way every time and it didn't work out well.
I will try to listen to him and really take his needs into account from now on. It's just so painful to know that perhaps our marriage is beyond saving, and that I have made him so miserable unknowingly. I had no clue that it would come to this.

And it's true, the pandemic has been such a burden. However he wasn't feeling well already in 2019.

@mostlydrinkstea we've been here 2 years. Moving back now that we have the apartment is messy and perhaps a bad move financially. Right now I can't see any option that would him happy and it's breaking my heart too.

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Guavafish · 16/05/2021 08:47

Don’t give up @HighEdge

You are now listening which is great! I think couples therapy would help you learn to communicate better and listen to each other’s needs... and not just steam ahead with your own desires.

He should see his doctor to help with his mental health issues.

Maybe rent a room in the hometown if you can’t sale?

Anonapuss · 16/05/2021 08:55

On the practicalities side, most mortgage companies will allow you to rent out your home for a set short period (say a year or 2) without having to switch ti buy to let.

Rent out your house and rent back in hometown and see if its working. After a year trial youll know more where you both stand and can make expensive selling decisions.

Dont feel trapped where you are, there is an out, by way of renting.

Cactuslove · 16/05/2021 08:56

@highedge you can't change the past so just need to move forward now. I get that selling might be difficult right now. How about organising a few day/nights out in the hometown, with old friends etc as things reopen this should be easier. You could drive to make it easier etc could this be an option?

RantyAnty · 16/05/2021 09:01

It sounds like he needs to grow up. There aren't any jobs in the hometown so it's reasonable to move to where there are jobs.
A total of 2.5 hours a day commute is a lot of wasted time.

Did he try making friends in the new city before the lockdown?
Have him see the GP and see if he'll try to make some new friends.

Cheesecakefix · 16/05/2021 09:27

What’s your job? Where do you work? Sounds like you messed up here and eating a concrete mixer full of humble pie might save your marriage. Poor guy!,

HighEdge · 16/05/2021 09:28

Hi @Saltyslug. No, he is not excercising or seeing a doctor. He is not into fitness nor does he really look after his health generally. He has some very unhealthy habits in fact. I have suggested seeing a therapist individually and then a counsellor for both of us, but he doesn't want to. I don't want to push the subject because he is precisely complaining about being pushed over. Same goes for excercising—I have suggested he goes for a daily walk at least and he refuses. I do think it would improve his mood somewhat, but I can't force him.

I have thought about the club thing too. We had a very painful conversation about his insatisfaction back in 2019 and that is what I suggested—join clubs, find people with similar hobbies, make new connections. He couldn't muster the energy then and he said he was already in a very dark place emotionally. I don't want to manage his life but I think his depression is paralysing him. That is why I suggested therapy. I just want to help him crawl out of that hole without forcing any decisions on him and I can't seem to find the way to do that. The pandemic also put on hold any plans we had to expand our social life, so here we are now over a year and a half later.

@PermanentTemporary: Sorry to hear that you and your family have been scammed as well. I guess experiencing some guilt is unavoidable. It is very unlikely that we'll get our money back unfortunately. These people really know what they are doing.

I am very confused about what happened too tbh. According to him, he feels forced to accept my choices because I am dominant, so he goes along. He also does it out of love for me because he wants to make me happy (he's very generous in that sense). Like I said, I can be stubborn when se are facing a decision but I didn't know that he was going to be so miserable, that he was not on board with all the decisions he said yes to. If I do not want to do something, I will state that very clearly, so I thought it would be the same for him if he really didn't feel that something was right. I don't know. I guess he trusted my judgement and now that things have turned sour he's asking himself what is it all for? The thing is I was oblivious to all of this before, and now it's perhaps too late. I can now understand what he meant when he says he is tired of giving and giving and not getting anything in return.

I thought I was working for us all along but I wasn't. Right now I'm feeling like we ended up with a life neither of us wished to have.

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Wolfiefan · 16/05/2021 09:32

If he has depression he needs to see his GP. You can’t fix him. He needs to take responsibility for his own mental health.
Then you can deal with everything else.

Countrycode · 16/05/2021 09:56

I'd move home. He's never going to be happy there. His resentment of you won't have a chance to go away until he's living somewhere he likes. It may be messy financially to sell the apartment but divorce is messier...

IND1A · 16/05/2021 10:14

I agree with @PermanentTemporary. You don’t sound like someone who had over ridden all his choices.

I think that he is rewriting history because things haven’t worked out the way he wants and he’s not happy with his life.

I suspect that he was a full participant in all these joint decisions. Then when bad things happen ( pandemic , getting scammed ) he decided that these were all your fault and you made him do it.

I can understand why you now feel confused and upset . You thought you were doing what was best for him personally and you as a couple and now you are getting the blame for everything. I’d be devastated too.

Your husband sounds very focussed on apportioning blame and not at all on doing what he can to fix things himself.

I suspect that he will refuse to do any of the good things suggested in this thread about exercising, healthy eating, getting a social life etc . And if he does try any of them and they are not an immediate and easy success , it will be your fault @HighEdge for making him do it.

Now I don’t know if this is because of depression or his personality or both.

And I’m also unclear if he actually has clinical depression ( diagnosed and treated by a doctor ) or you just mean he’s a miserable git who moans all the time and never takes responsibility for his own actions. I’m not minimising the very real illness that is depression BTW. But I can see no mention in your posts of any medical treatment or self help. If anything, he seems to refuse anything that might makes things better.

Either way, you can’t fix it. It sounds like you have spent years of your life trying to make him happy and it’s not working. He’s miserable and he blames you. Now you are miserable too.

I honestly think it’s not working for you OP and you need to separate. Then he can make all his own choices as can you. He will soon find out if you are the cause of everything bad in his life.

I’d urge you to get counselling for yourself NOW. I suspect that what you think of as deep love for him has a large element of co dependence. Once he stops being your life project you will have some time and space to work on YOU.

SGBK4682 · 16/05/2021 10:15

I think his depression is the biggest issue as it will colour his view of everything. A move back to your home town may not be the answer, despite him not having wanted to move in the first place.

Really he has to decide for himself and make the moves to deal with his mental health. Unfortunately you can't force him to take steps and he hasn't taken your advice on this issue. I don't know that you can do more.

You come across as a caring person. I suspect his depression and inability to take decisions has led to you being the one who has made all the running in this relationship. It's not your fault that you suggested things and he said yes to them. It's him that isn't taking the responsibility for eg agreeing to move, to invest the money etc. Not yours for having the ideas he went along with.

Maybe you need to back off or even bow out? Unless he can engage in a proper discussion and possibly counselling, and take charge of his mental health.

It all sounds very bleak - I'm sorry you are in this situation.

whichwayisup · 16/05/2021 10:16

In nearly all decisions there is a driving force but you both make the decision. You then move on and handle it together. It's hardly your fault that covid happened. He needs to pull his big pants on and accept grow'd up life for what it is. There is no way in the world that a 2hr 30min everyday commute would work for me... The flat in the city was the best plan. One of you are nearly always going to get the choice of house/ flat that they want.... It's called compromise. So this time it was you, life is long and the next property might be his preferred choice. If you both discussed and then agreed before buying then it's a joint venture. Neither of you are to blame for being conned. The nature of fraud is that there are victims and you are both victims here. He doesn't get to be more of a victim. He is taking no personal responsibility for his physical or mental health either. He is manipulating you into taking all the blame for his unhappiness. I think you need to hold him accountable tbh. If he is depressed he needs to sort that out... First steps through talking therapies and physical activity/eating habits and then through medication if needs be. He sounds like he has a real victim mentality... Don't play into it. Tell him to stop whinging... You are where you are and he was an active willing member of your team.

Colourmeclear · 16/05/2021 10:34

If he has depression I do worry that he is creating a scenario in his head where the only thing that will help him is moving (hence the lack of action in other respects) BUT if you did move he would find that he was still depressed and so he would need to find another thing to hold on to to provide some sense of hope that things could be different for him.

I really feel for you, it's a very difficult situation to be in. My partner had a terrible time a few years ago and made it all about me and how difficult it was to be with me (I'm no Saint). He was very pained telling me this. Eventually he recovered and apologised, he wanted there to be an easy solution. I do think that some people when depressed are more likely to look for external causes (including their partners) that must be why they are depressed rather than looking inward and considering things like sleep, routine, exercise, therapy, medication etc.

Blueberrybutt · 16/05/2021 10:36

I disagree with pp - you are directly or indirectly responsible for the worst decisions made here. And there have been consequences. I’m sure you’ve apologised but there is no getting out of this without undoing some of those decisions - moving back for example.

DateXY · 16/05/2021 11:36

Just move back or move to an area that you BOTH like. To be honest you sound very self centred. I couldn't imagine pushing a partner to move where they didn't want because I would want both of us to be happy Confused

You pushed him to do what he didn't want to do, now there's been horrible consequences for his mental health. Where a couple lives is a big decision and a big determinant of anyone's happiness. Why should both of you stay somewhere where one of you is unhappy - very unfair. The move was all pushed forward by you and you've continued to disregard his own feelings despite being married. Surely your husband's mental health is more important than getting your own way?

FifteenToes · 16/05/2021 11:56

While the details are different, the underlying dynamics here are uncannily similar to the last few years of my marriage to EXDW. Especially the part about him "feeling like he's living someone else's life" which is exactly how I felt.

It's very difficult, this question of who makes decisions and how you compromise on them. When you've gone round and round and back and forth and not managed to find something you're both happy with, what happens? You either split up, or one partner accepts being unhappy with the outcome in order to move on.

I think what can happen is that the less dominant/stubborn partner can do that a number of times, thinking each time that since it's only one aspect of their life and relationship they can put it behind them and continue to enjoy the rest. But then each little thing adds up and some point down the line, you look at your life and realise it's almost entirely formed by someone else's choices that you didn't want.

I also sense something in your posts in common with my EXDW, which is that she genuinely felt, each of these times, that what we'd arrived at was a compromise and consensus born of both our aspirations working together. She even seemed to be able to hold that attitude after I'd told her, straight out, that that wasn't the case. I could never understand why she seemed to surprised by my unhappiness years later about things where I'd never made any effort to hide that unhappiness, but I believe she genuinely was.

I don't know what the answer is, but I hope you can turn things around before it gets to the stage we got to.