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Beyond sick of this and needing a rant.

38 replies

OnNaturesCourse · 06/05/2021 16:00

I'm 3 months PP so I'm verrrry aware this could be feeling totally over emotional right now especially considering the situation was pretty much the same before our LO was born BUT I am sick of feeling like DP does nothing, and is literally a 3rs child who needs his hand held through absolutely everything.

I feel like I'm on the edge of totally exploding, and every attempt at asking for "help" is met with huffing and puffing, and a few eye rolls. He does the night feeds so I should be thankful kind of deal - I'm low on iron so struggling with tiredness so he took that on.

He works hard so I can be home with our kids. And I'm so thankful for that, but I feel like his job ends at 6pm whereas mines just gets, well, never ends. He comes home and that's him done for the day aside from a night feed.

I'm so tired. So done.

I'll probably feel better tomorrow but I needed this off my chest.

OP posts:
DogsSausages · 06/05/2021 16:05

Congratulations on your new baby, how many children do you have. Does DP do anything at all shopping, housework, cooking, bath times. Does he know you need more help from him it's so hard especially if you are tired. Are your parents or siblings around who could speak to him.

m0therofdragons · 06/05/2021 16:15

Tiredness is torture but try not to dig at each other. If he is going to work in the day and doing all the night feeds he’s probably totally knackered too. That sounds like he’s getting a pretty rough deal. Dh and I shared the night feeds - he’d change nappy then hand me baby to feed (Breast feeding) but when Dd woke every 2 hours we took turns so we watch got a 4 hour block of sleep.

Low iron is awful but 2 weeks of iron should make a difference (don’t come off too soon - I made that mistake recently as I felt fine but I think I’m now on one a day for life).

Don’t start playing who has it harder. Sit down and talk in a non confrontational way about what you need and listen to what he needs then come up with a plan for surviving the first 6m of a baby.

YarnOver · 06/05/2021 16:15

He does the night feeds so I should be thankful kind of deal

OP is this what he is saying to you, or is this the way you feel?

Either way no - it's not something you should be made to feel "thankful" for or used as bargaining. You've just given birth, and you're both parents... It'd not like he's doing you a favour by feeding the child that you're BOTH parents to.

So if he is using this against you, that's pretty horrible and I wouldn't put up with that... And if that's the way YOU feel about the situation...no OP, you don't need to be thankful that your DP is feeling your new baby when you're struggling and low on iron! He should be doing his fair share !

Washingtofold · 06/05/2021 23:48

‘Low iron is awful but 2 weeks of iron should make a difference (don’t come off too soon - I made that mistake recently as I felt fine but I think I’m now on one a day for life). ‘

I’ve been low of iron on and off for over twenty years . My doctor has told me don’t even expect a rise in iron until you take iron ( a very good supplement for at least three weeks ) and even then it will be a tiny tide . It takes between 3-6 months of consistent iron to get a real deficit back to where it should be

updownroundandround · 07/05/2021 07:30

@OnNaturesCourse

I can't take the credit for this, but I've kept a copy for my son to read if he ever starts the macho crap with his GF or W in the future.

Why I Don't Help My Wife
Recently, I invited a friend over. Sipping coffee in my living room, the conversation turned from movies and sports to life. We are both about the same age, and both have been married for about the same amount of time. As we talked, I heard the loud clamoring of the dishwasher stop as it finished its final cycle. Excusing myself, I told my friend I must put away the dishes.My friend shot me a glance: a shock of disbelief, almost defensive in posture. He told me that it's great that I help out my wife, but that he doesn't bother. “Every time I do chores,” he said, “she doesn't have an ounce of gratitude. If she's not gonna thank me for helping her out, why should I even bother?” This startled me. I'm normally not a confrontational kind of guy. I don't like to talk about politics, and I usually keep my comments to myself. But this was too much. I couldn't contain myself.“Look man, I said, I'm not 'helping her out. My wife doesn't need 'help.' She needs a partner. The two of us are a team.” He started to reply, trying to explain what he meant by the comment, but I stopped him, continuing:I don't “help” my wife clean the house. We keep our house clean because we both live here and want the house to be clean. I clean the house because it's where I live, and my wife isn't a maid, but a partner.I don't “help” my wife cook because it's not her job to cook and my job to eat. We both live here, we both need to eat, and in order for us to eat, the cooking needs to be done.I don't “help” my wife do the dishes because they're my dishes, too. I eat off them, just like her, and it's in both of our interests to have them be cleaned.I don't “help” my wife with her children because they're my children, too. They need a mother and they need a father, and raising them is both of our jobs.I don't “help” my wife clean, fold clothes, do laundry, or any other chores because they aren't only “hers,” but mine.I'm not only a “help,” a hired hand that helps my wife out on occasion in exchange for a “thank you,” a kiss, or sex. I am a part of the house.Then, I turned back to my friend, his face tense with embarrassment. I was now in my full preacher mode, and it was time to charge my audience with conviction. I asked him “do you thank your wife every time she cleans the house?” He clamored to defend himself, but I continued: “I'm not talking about a half-baked “thanks” that you mutter from across the room, but actually looking her in her eye and saying that you appreciate that she worked all day to help you take care of your home!” “Do you look her in the eye and tell her she's fantastic, beautiful, the best thing that ever happened to you and that she means the world to you?” “Do you tell her how much you love that she keeps your house clean?”You should not “help” your wife with the chores in exchange for some kind of prize. What prize does she get for helping you out? You need to get out of this “Leave it to Beaver” mentality, step out of TV Land, and step up and be a real husband.My friend stood speechless, flabbergasted, fumbling to find an excuse. I shrunk in slight embarrassment for a moment, even though I knew it had to be said.I spoke again to break the silence: “I'm just saying man, your wife doesn't owe you anything. She's not your “help,” and you should treat her like an equal partner.”Many of us were raised in home with mothers who waited on us hand in foot. We took their help for granted, because they had to raise us and take care of us. But your wife is not your mother. She's not raising you, and you're not a child. Marriage is an equal partnership. Your wife is not your mother, and she's not there to take care of you.You are there to take care of each other, to have a house together, raise children together, and form an equal partnership. That means each of you carrying your share of the load, and thanking each other for help. Macho culture would make you think that everything is your wife's job, but there's nothing macho about this. It's the behavior of a child who needs to be taken care of, not an adult who can provide in a partnership.Imagine a child who constantly demands help from his mother, constantly makes messes, and never thanks her for anything. That's basically how you act towards your wife. That might be acceptable for a young infant, but not for an adult. So thank your wife for what she does, and make sure that you carry an equal share of the load, helping her in any way possible.When you make a mess, you shouldn't expect your wife to clean it up. It's your job to clean up your own messes. You both live there, you're not “helping” her with anything because it's your home.Likewise, it's not her job to constantly cook. In my home, I always do the cooking, because I'm good at it.These “traditional” roles were sold to us by fictional television. They say nothing about the reality of marriage. If you step all over your wife like Homer Simpson, you are on a one-way street to a divorce.So to everyone out there who is concerned about their own masculinity, if you want to be a macho man, stop acting like a child and making your wife do all the work and chores. Thank her, and do your part to contribute.
xx

Countrycode · 07/05/2021 07:49

Tale as old as time unfortunately. The resentment will eat away and you'll either be filled with contempt for him or eventually accept your role as little wifey.

I went the contempt route. Tried working on it/him for five years after our DD was born but he was not "fixable" so I'm now I n the process of separating.

You have to speak with him. If he's doing the night feeds there's hope here (mine literally didn't change a nappy until I literally stood over him and forced him when DD was 3 months).

Discuss your roles and what you need and arrange for you both to have equal down time. Find a compromise don't just seethe - it's very unhealthy and will be the beginning of the end of not addressed.

It's a hard time to be in but it will get much much easier Flowers

FloconDeNeige · 07/05/2021 08:00

To be honest, if you’re a SAHP, then it really is down to you to do the lion’s share at home. The other person is literally putting a roof over your head, so to also expect them to get home and divvy up the household chores, in addition to doing all the night feeds, is asking too much, IMO.

I don’t say they should get in and never lift a single finger (and they should be actively involved in parenting when home), but expecting them to share household jobs whilst also carrying the burden of being sole breadwinner.... err, no.

If my working allowed DH to be a SAHP and he still expected me to share the domestic responsibilities equally with him when I got home, I’d tell him where to go!

FloconDeNeige · 07/05/2021 08:02

And if you’re not a SAHP, the household & parenting responsibilities should be fairly shared.

updownroundandround · 07/05/2021 08:06

@FloconDeNeige

I can't believe anyone still thinks like you do and is still living in the bloody 1950's Hmm

You really think the OP should suck it up and be the 'Stepford Wife' do you ??? Confused

And that 'His Lordship' shouldn't have to 'help' with 'wife work' i.e housework, simply because he puts in an 8hr 'working' day ? While his DW has to put in a 20hr day ?? And she should be grateful that all his 'hard work' pays the bloody bills ????Confused

timeisnotaline · 07/05/2021 08:09

To be honest, if you’re a SAHP, then it really is down to you to do the lion’s share at home. The other person is literally putting a roof over your head
The baby’s 3m old. The op could well be on mat leave, balancing a lower financial contribution with time for recovering from birth and looking after a baby all day. Not a stay at home Mum. And in the trenches Mum with a newborn. I don’t owe my husband housework while I’m surviving the newborn days.

NailsNeedDoing · 07/05/2021 08:10

You’re supposed to be tired, you have a three month old baby. This is the time when you just keep going and get through it the best you can, because it’s always difficult.

Tbh, I can understand that most of the housework falls to you while you are being a sahm, that’s how it works. If your DP is working full time to provide for you and doing his fair share of night feeds, you’re not onto a bad deal really.

updownroundandround · 07/05/2021 08:11

@FloconDeNeige

Whether or not the OP is a 'stay at home parent' or not, doesn't matter one single iota !

The 'work' should be shared equally. I.e both parents get the same 'free time', the same amount of sleep, the same everything.

His 'work' is NOT more important than her 'work', therefore he shold be pulling his weight in household chores and childcare duties, including cooking/ cleaning/ night feeds/ bathtimes/ laundry etc etc

Quincie · 07/05/2021 08:13

If DH is doing the night feeds you should be worshipping at his feet.
There's a reason sleep restriction is used as torture.

updownroundandround · 07/05/2021 08:17

I've got to leave this thread for now, because I work, oohhh, now according to @FloconDeNeige, my job is the big important one, because my wage pays the bills...........so maybe I should just put my bloody feet up when I get home tonight ! Hmm

Nope, because I simply couldn't do something so shitty to my DH. In our hose, we both contribute equally ! Regardless of 'earnings'.

FloconDeNeige · 07/05/2021 08:21

@updownroundandround

As a full-time working mother of pre-schoolers, I absolutely don’t have ideas from the 1950s. And to be fair, as someone else pointed out, the baby is very young and the first few months are a blur with everyone just trying to stumble through it.

But after that, if you SAH, regardless of whether you are male or female, then you should be taking care of most (I don’t say all) of the household responsibilities.

And as I said previously (and which you probably missed as you were too busy frothing at the mouth), it doesn’t mean the breadwinner gets to do nothing at home, neither does mean they get waited on.

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 07/05/2021 08:23

Are you on mat leave, or a sahm?
Is your dp doing all the night feeds?

Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 07/05/2021 08:35

@updownroundandround

I've got to leave this thread for now, because I work, oohhh, now according to *@FloconDeNeige, my job is the big important one, because my wage pays the bills...........so maybe I* should just put my bloody feet up when I get home tonight ! Hmm

Nope, because I simply couldn't do something so shitty to my DH. In our hose, we both contribute equally ! Regardless of 'earnings'.

I'm not sure why you are getting so worked up. Usually a sahp takes on the lions share of the household tasks. Why wouldn't they?
Iminaglasscaseofemotion · 07/05/2021 08:39

Sounds like you are a sahm and you now have 2 kids?
Is he working quite a long day? He's also doing all the night feeds because you were tired because you were low on iron, so he is doing a share of the childcare.
Are you going back to work?

FloconDeNeige · 07/05/2021 08:42

Also @OnNaturesCourse, what exactly is he huffing and puffing at?

You asking him not to leave his dirty laundry lying on the floor or to hold the baby? Then he’s being unreasonable.

You asking him to clean the bathroom and cook the dinner when he’s just got home from work and before he needs to wake up later to do the night feeds? Then you’re being unreasonable.

MiddleParking · 07/05/2021 08:48

Working and doing the night feeds isn’t doing nothing. His job isn’t ending when he gets back from work if he’s doing all the night feeds. You should both be getting rest and down time. I think it’s asking too much of the working partner to take all the broken sleep too at three months. Couldn’t you share? And also do more sharing of the other stuff?

andivfmakes3 · 07/05/2021 08:50

So he's working full time and doing night feeds.......?

In the nicest possible way What more do you actually want him to do?

andivfmakes3 · 07/05/2021 08:52

@updownroundandround

His work is absolutely more important than her because it's paying the bills

Household chores/childcare shouldn't be shared equally when one parent is home all day (and I'm currently on maternity leave with twins)

m0therofdragons · 07/05/2021 08:55

@updownroundandround usually I’d agree but the wife isn’t doing a 20 hour day... she sleeps through the night whereas he is up through the night with broken sleep over a 7? hour period plus his 8 hour work day and commute.

Broken sleep always builds resentment ime so I think this works both ways and they need to find a better balance but I don’t think this is a situation where the Dh is a selfish arse because he’s doing the night feeds. I think the person at home can do more of the share simply by the fact they’re at home but that doesn’t mean everything.

user1471457751 · 07/05/2021 11:58

I don't get why people are criticising off your husband or why you think his job ends at 6pm when he's the one doing the night feeds. It sounds like you get more time off than him

updownroundandround · 07/05/2021 18:17

I really don't know what everyone else has been reading tbh.

The OP says He comes home and that's him done for the day aside from a night feed

So, a single night feed done by DH, not LOTS of night wakings, just one

Op also says is literally a 3rs child who needs his hand held through absolutely everything So can't use his initiative at all.

So, aside from his one night feed, the OP's DH does bugger all (unless specifically asked, which results in huffing and eye rolling ffs) Because apparently she should be grateful Confused

Furthermore, the OP says He works hard so I can be home with our kids PLURAL Hmm

So, not first time parents or anything, and yet he does bugger all with housework, cooking, shopping, laundry, childcare, bathtimes etc etc Hmm

So, he does (probably) 8 hrs at 'work', then one night feed. This could be at 11pm or 2am or any time overnight.

Also the OP states that he only took on the one night feed because the OP is low on iron so struggling with tiredness so he took that on Hmm
But apparently every attempt at asking for "help" is met with huffing and puffing, and a few eye rolls Hmm

So, I read that the OP has more than 1 DC, is seriously under par with low iron levels, and has been struggling.

DH has, offered to do one night feed, but nothing else to 'help' the OP.

OP has given birth 3 mths ago.
DH has not.

OP is working 16hr days, 7 days a week (allowing for 8hr sleep)
DH is working 10hr day (8 hrs at 'work' & 2hr during night) Mon-Fri, but he only 'works' 2 hrs at weekends

Maybe I've missed something ?

I'm all for the whole 'I'm at home more, so I do more day to day housework etc' as long as it's still a fair division of labour !

What the OP has described is most definitely not a fair division at all.

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