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Any first hand experience of Stockhold Syndrome in abusive relationship?

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ooogoo · 31/03/2021 12:02

I'm not posting for myself, but to try and understand a situation with a close friend (I know that everyone says that but honestly, it isn't me, I am just frustrated with failed efforts to help).

A close friend who was in a low place after a difficult relationship loss moved city to start afresh with a new job. She was quite lonely in a new place, and a male colleague made friends with her and started giving her a lot of time and a friendly shoulder to cry on.

She wasn't interested in him romantically and didn't give any signals she was but he went to a big effort to make her feel included and like she was settling in as well as to listen to her and offer emotional support.

He love-bombed her basically, when she was feeling low about herself and lonely. She was enjoying having someone to do things with and the emotional intimacy and support he was offering her, but I did warn her at the time that it was a lot of red flags. He was adopting all her interests and trying to insert himself very quickly into her life as her new best friend and it was very intense and over the top.

Then after this had been going on for about 5 months and they were more best friends, the lockdown happened last year and faced with the idea of being alone in her flat, she agreed he could stay with her through lockdown (his idea) never thinking the lockdown would go on (on and off) for such a long period. They were WFH and locked in so now spending 24 hours a day together and over a few months, and some shared drinking, it turned into a FWB situation.

He told her he loved her and she said to him she didn't feel the same and didn't see herself in a relationship with him, but he didn't accept that and started acting like her boyfriend, posting on social media in a way to indicate that he was her boyfriend and she said she was really uncomfortable with it but he seemed to have some sort of manipulative hold on her by this point because he would do things like have angry outbursts and then apologise and say it was just because he loved her so much and alternating threatening with very kind and caring behavior.

He had escalated things gradually with her by cutting her off from friends and family (he'd monitor her online or on the phone and have an outburst if she was talking to anyone else) and he said a lot of things to make her feel she couldn't trust her family and friends and she withdrew from everyone over a period of months so he was more or less the only person she ever spoke to.

He was fun and very caring to her and she said she felt very special and liked being told she was loved, but she was increasingly scared of the outburts which got worse and worse. It started to happen every weekend when he'd get drunk and get angry saying he wanted to live together permanently and when she said she didn't want that or feel the way he did he would get more and more abusive.

Over this period of a few months he got very abusive indeed and smashed her property, emotional and direct blackmail, threats to ruin her life with secrets she had told him, extreme jealousy, going through her phone and then alternating that with kindness and remorse and saying it was just because he loved her so much.

She said by then she felt trapped by the situation and also like she was dependent on him because he was the only human she really saw or spoke to and when he withheld affection she felt really bad. She was a victim of childhood trauma, so I think this played into why she was so affected by this. He also told her he was a victim of past abuse and this made her feel sorry for him and excuse a lot of his actions.

Eventually it got to the point where he was never really nice and it was just outbursts and she got ill with stress so she bit the bullet and had him move out. Through all this, she hadn't really spoken to friends and family for months, but she spoke to me then and told me the whole story. She was really resolute that she realised how toxic and abusive he was and she said she was going to look for another job and return home and in the meantime was going to have no contact with him.

He continued to try and contact her, dropping things off, knocking on the door, emailing her and it was all saying he loved her and he was so sorry and it was just the drink and I begged her over time to report it and sort something legally to get him to leave her alone but she said it would blow over. It's a bit difficult as she is still loving in a different city with her new job and with the lockdown she's still isolated and alone now.

In the end he persuaded her to meet up for his closure against my advice. He persuaded her basically that it was all her fault, because she led him on by spending so much time with him, letting him sleep in her bed for months and live with her and she seemed to swallow that story hook, line and sinker and started saying she felt responsible for him having a mental health crisis and she "owed him" whatever he needed to move on.

After meeting him for closure he sort of sucked her back into the vortex and that turned into lots more urgent meetings he needed to have and her replying to his messages. She's gotten more and more ill with stress over it, but since she's been back in contact with him she suddenly seems to have adopted his reality and she thinks maybe she is the abuser and she says she doesn't trust her own judgement anymore.

I've tried to push her to see that he's an incredibly toxic person who plays on all her childhood wounds, but she oscillates between seeing that and agreeing with me to seeming to be almost angry that I am trying to separate her from him and she actually even defends him and puts a lot of the blame on herself. She even started saying she misses him.

It's a bit difficult as she is still loving in a different city with her new job and with the lockdown she's still isolated and alone now but she should be coming home within a few months once the practicalities are sorted out, but I have been really confused by why a really intelligent, professional woman with all her marbles seems to have such a distorted and favorable view of someone who essentially terrorised her.

I stumbled upon the idea of some kind of Stockholm syndrome, as the lockdown and situation meant he more or less had her completely isolated for six months or so in a way she felt she couldn't escape and she's formed some sort of deep bond with this person. She's not in love with him, doesn't want to be in a relationship with him but she also seems to not want him to go away fully.

I thought maybe anyone whos' experienced abuse could give advice on how to help her to move on from this. The situation seems to have exposed all her buried trauma from childhood and she's unwell from stress and so on. She has even said, although it makes obvious sense, that she is scared of returning home because she associates it with her past abuse and the new place is a place she saw as a happy fresh start (and he was a big part of that).

Is there anything we can do to help her? She is having counselling, but only just started a few weeks ago and hasn't seemed to have had any benefit.

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TriciaMcMillan · 31/03/2021 12:20

Do you mean Stockholm Syndrome?

Newbie96 · 31/03/2021 12:20

Omg, this sounds exactly like my relationship with my now ex. I was with him for four years ooogoo and things do not get better, only progressively worse. The whole ostracising her from her family is a control tactic. This is leading to an extremely more dangerous relationship, if it hasn't already because it wasn't long before my partner turned his anger and violence towards me.

Reading this has made me really sad because as someone who has experienced this, I know how hard it can be to leave because the emotional and physical abuse can literally break you down to the point where you feel as though there is no escape. They are very smart and can make you believe that this is love and it isnt. Even once I left I was left with overwhelming guilt because I felt I was responsible for what happened.

Please do not give up on her, as tiresome as it is for you, she needs to understand the severity of the situation, my best friend stood by me through it all and I'm so appreciative that she was as harsh and brutal with me at the time. I couldn't see it but her tough love saved me in so many ways.

I fell for his lies and it wasn't until my best friend involved my entire family, as some form of intervention that I realised it couldn't go on any longer and I went to straight no contact. This would be the best thing for her, she needs to break free of him and not allow him to bombard her anymore with his manipulation. It's brilliant that she is in counselling right now, I hope she is being honest and transparent with the counsellor, give it time. It's years on from that relationship and I am still in counselling to this day. Flowers

ooogoo · 31/03/2021 12:21

I know this post was long (sorry) but also wanted to add that she went from saying she knew it was a toxic situation to minimising the whole situation.

This 180 degree turn came about once he was in contact with her, because I think he is very effective at getting her to take on his version of reality where he is an innocent victim and he reminds her constantly of how great things were when they were first friends and I think she associates this with a happy time in her life where she felt she was making a wonderful new start.

She started to say she didn't see why we (myself and another close pal) seem to think this person is so dangerous to her emotionally and that us saying so makes her feel like she's mental and can't trust her own judgement but it was her, herself that described herself as terrified, scared, trapped and so on, but she seems to now reject her own reality.

This is the part I am finding hard to understand because she is a very intelligent, capable and logical woman but it's like she is fighting accepting that she's been abused.

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ooogoo · 31/03/2021 12:21

Yes, sorry I meant Stockholm!

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Ruminating2020 · 31/03/2021 12:24

Something very similar happened to me when I went back to work shortly after having my eldest child.

I also had a "best friend" at work who made out we had lots in common, included me in group lunches and had friendly banter. He knew I was married and I had even said I didn't want to lead him on one time when he offered me a lift home and the conversation turned about relationships in general. So many lines were crossed after that and I was in an EA situation that I tried to get out of several times especially since I was already married and I was getting more and more uncomfortable with their outbursts and verbal, mental, sexual abuse towards me.

Your friend will be trauma bonded to this person because of the cycle of abuse which makes the bond stronger - intermittent reinforcement. She may be able to see objectively that this person is toxic but will probably miss him and feel some sort of attachment to him and try to convince herself that he isn't really that bad. That happened to me, I knew in my mind that I didn't love him but missed him, but now I can't even see how I could have ever allowed myself to continue associating with someone who repeatedly violated me. This person in your friend's case may also be a malignant narcissist.

If she hasn't already, I suggest she reads up on narcissistic abuse and recovery. There are many, many Youtube videos on narcissism and relationships with narcissists which follow the same pattern. She needs to understand how and why this happened to her and then work on her recovery.

She would need counselling on trauma recovery and let her counsellor know her story.

You sound like a fab friend to her, please stick with her. Wishing your friend the best.

Newbie96 · 31/03/2021 12:25

ooogoo She sounds like me at the time. If I can relate at all, inside she is going to know this isn't right. A lot of her dismissive attitude is related to fear, you never want to believe that it can happen to you.
I was the exact same. He convinced me his controlling ways was because he loved me and I believed it.
He has conditioned her to believe that when things are bad it's her fault because look how beautiful and happy we are when we get on? that's not true, he's controlling her emotionally too.
Does anyone else know the severity of what's going on with her or are you the only person she has opened up to?

Newbie96 · 31/03/2021 12:27

I also want to add she's very lucky to have you, your amazing.

Ruminating2020 · 31/03/2021 12:30

@ooogoo

I know this post was long (sorry) but also wanted to add that she went from saying she knew it was a toxic situation to minimising the whole situation.

This 180 degree turn came about once he was in contact with her, because I think he is very effective at getting her to take on his version of reality where he is an innocent victim and he reminds her constantly of how great things were when they were first friends and I think she associates this with a happy time in her life where she felt she was making a wonderful new start.

She started to say she didn't see why we (myself and another close pal) seem to think this person is so dangerous to her emotionally and that us saying so makes her feel like she's mental and can't trust her own judgement but it was her, herself that described herself as terrified, scared, trapped and so on, but she seems to now reject her own reality.

This is the part I am finding hard to understand because she is a very intelligent, capable and logical woman but it's like she is fighting accepting that she's been abused.

These kind are very good at twisting reality and deflecting blame. What he is doing is coercive control and it is illegal. Could you get her or could you yourself write down the things he has done that's abusive in a diary?

I'm afraid even well educated, intelligent women can find themselves in abusive situations and not see it. She won't be able to see it clearly until she is out of the fog.

ooogoo · 31/03/2021 12:31

@Newbie96 I am so sorry that you went through that, how painful.

We have been friends for 28 years but he definitely isolated her from us. He has told her WE are manipulating her and controlling her, and while most of the time she sees it's him doing that, she does oscillate a bit and say she feels confused. He seems to just sow doubt in her mind.

She has said she doesn't love him, was never in love with him and just cares about him on a human level and has some mental debris surrounding it because she spent so much intense time with her. She said not many people in her life made her feel really special and cared about, but he did and she misses how that used to feel and she has trouble understanding that it's the same person who also scared and coerced her.

I was conscious my post was very long, but similar to your friends and family, we also had some kind of intervention with her and also persuaded her to report him at work for the persistent contact after she asked for no contact - as he uses the work email to do it (and when they are not WFH he also barges frequently into her office begging her to just have a coffee).

That has done the trick and he has stopped (at least for a couple of weeks) trying to contact her. Her reaction to that was strange, I expected her to be happy and relieved, but she also feels depressed now he HAS stopped.

She's saying for the longest time when she felt trapped and isolated in this situation she just wanted to come home and leave but she felt a lot of shame and guilt and now the prospect of actually coming home and getting away from this awful situation makes her sad, which she says is confusing because she should be happy.

I think she's now even wondering if maybe she DOES love him, which he's tried to persuade her is the case

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Newbie96 · 31/03/2021 12:35

ooogoo Thank you lovely, I'm better now and your friend will be too.

I can understand why she feels so weak now, the partner has consumed and dominated so much of her life that now he is gone she feels empty and quite lost. It's a completely normal reaction to have after the trauma she's experienced but it's important she sticks to her guns and does not contact him nor allow him to contact her. It was hard at first but as the months went by and I started to get MY life back, the anger kicked in for what he turned me into.

Again, she's extremely lucky to have you x

ooogoo · 31/03/2021 12:37

@Ruminating2020 thanks so much for sharing that. I have to admit I was posting because I started to feel MY reality was off. I am a bit psychologically confused over why I've spend months trying to help her, only to have her seem to have some sort of attachment and denial to the perpetrator.

Can I ask how long it took / what helped in terms of you going from missing the abuser to moving on from that? Our concern is, that if she delays coming home, and he has access to her, that she might be persuaded to stay and even embark on an actual relationship with this person who I think has really damaged her psychologically.

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SpacePotato · 31/03/2021 12:39

Does she own her property by any chance?
Some of these men go after vulnerable women for their money.

Some are simply fucking arseholes who get a buzz of the power trip and are happy to destroy the women to keep her co dependent and compliant.

ooogoo · 31/03/2021 12:43

@Newbie96

He has conditioned her to believe that when things are bad it's her fault because look how beautiful and happy we are when we get on?

This is exactly what he has done really. She was fine and resolute during no contact but he's like the snake in jungle book or something and any contact at all with her and her reality gets blurred.

When she left for this new job, I think it was the dream after a really sad end to a relationship (he cheated) and she felt important and successful and he pulled her in to this fun social life and it was a period, for a few months where she felt like it was a brilliant new start.

She is struggling to let go / accept how bad things turned out because I think she was emotionally invested in that future. She doesn't have romantic feelings towards him though, so I find it strange he got such a hook on her.

She has said several times, it would never, ever have happened except for the circumstances of the pandemic where he ended up more or less isolated with her and over a very long period of time he has conditioned her to think all of this is her fault.

She says she was selfish for letting him spend time with her when she didn't feel the same, she says she was wrong to sleep with him if she didn't feel the same, she says she was "in a relationship" with him but in denial.

This is all his projected reality though, because obviously she wasn't in a relationship with him because she had clearly said several times she didn't want to be. His choice to spend every minute with her and move in with her was his own, but he's persuaded her that he is the wonderful person she first met but has only turned bad / crazy because of her

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ooogoo · 31/03/2021 12:45

@Ruminating2020 we did make a list of all of it, and once we made the list it was really obvious it's quite extreme. Enough, for certain, to have him locked up, but she seems very much hell bent on denying it is as bad as it is. After she made a complaint at work about it, he's stopped, but she seems to be missing it. It's so confusing for us to understand!

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Ruminating2020 · 31/03/2021 12:55

@ooogoo You as an outsider will be seeing things as they are and spotting the red flags. Her attachment to him will stop her from seeing what an abusive pos he is. It's like being brainwashed in a cult.

The thing that cured me was no contact. He left/was sacked from work but we had sporadic email contact and me asking him whether he was okay as he was off "sick" for an indefinite amount of time.
Anyway, the emails got fewer but he tried to hoover me by obtaining my new contact details and stalking me. I resolved not to talk to him again when he tried to persuade me that I was actually in love with him and that I was in a loveless marriage. I saw red and saw the damage he was doing to me and that I was losing my true self just to placate this toxic person. They again tried to accost me on my way to and from work several times but I just kept walking and not even making eye contact, I ignored their emails which was either deleted or forwarded to another account for safe keeping just in case.

No contact will be tough if she is still working with him. He needs to not exist for her basically.

Please don't give up on her. She needs you and you have her best interests at heart and sooner or later, she will thank you.

AllyBye · 31/03/2021 12:57

OP sounds like trauma bonding to me

Ruminating2020 · 31/03/2021 13:02

[quote ooogoo]@Ruminating2020 we did make a list of all of it, and once we made the list it was really obvious it's quite extreme. Enough, for certain, to have him locked up, but she seems very much hell bent on denying it is as bad as it is. After she made a complaint at work about it, he's stopped, but she seems to be missing it. It's so confusing for us to understand![/quote]
She will be missing it is part of the trauma bond I'm afraid. I would try and get her to distract herself with something else and surround herself with people who are healthy for her. If she has him on SM then she needs to block him there too.

It is hard to get out of narcissistic relationships but don't let her give up on her resolve as the cycle will start again.

ooogoo · 31/03/2021 13:13

Thanks @Ruminating2020 this is so helpful.

Finally, after months of what is effectively stalking, she did finally agree a couple of weeks ago to actually block him on everything. She seems to be experiencing some sort of withdrawal from the stalking!

She is WFH now for a month, but after that she will see him at the office so it's difficult. Do you think a month of proper NC will help break the bond?

Sounds like a more or less identical set of circumstances as this man is trying to persuade her she is in love with him too. I read a few of the letter and he seems to be absolutely sure she must love him or why would she have "moved in with him", in his bizarre fantasy world he doesn't get that it was a product of circumstance and not the love affair he believes.

After lockdown relaxes on 12th April, we were trying to persuade her to come and visit or go on a staycation with us - not sure or clear what the rules really are but we are looking into it. Being alone, by herself 24 / 7 in a strange place with him as the person she is used to having around can't be making it easy.

I have to be honest, the reason this has gotten to me so much is that I was genuinely worried about her. Mentally, on one level, as he has made her genuinely ill with stress and fear, but also because he seems to be creating other mental effects from paranoia against her friends and family to questioning her sense of what is real. She is like a shadow of who she was a year ago and it's very sad.

We checked it out online, and he has some narcissistic stuff going on, but he also flags up as almost guaranteed borderline personality disorder too. He is just very toxic on every level. Constant drama, mad drinking, takes no responsibility for his own actions, plays the victim, deluded sense of reality and the abuse. Just a horrible human being really and it's upsetting that she seems to see him as someone she needs to look after

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ooogoo · 31/03/2021 13:15

@AllyBye yes this sounds very accurate! Thank you, watching vids on youtube now

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Ruminating2020 · 31/03/2021 14:13

@ooogoo

Thanks *@Ruminating2020* this is so helpful.

Finally, after months of what is effectively stalking, she did finally agree a couple of weeks ago to actually block him on everything. She seems to be experiencing some sort of withdrawal from the stalking!

She is WFH now for a month, but after that she will see him at the office so it's difficult. Do you think a month of proper NC will help break the bond?

Sounds like a more or less identical set of circumstances as this man is trying to persuade her she is in love with him too. I read a few of the letter and he seems to be absolutely sure she must love him or why would she have "moved in with him", in his bizarre fantasy world he doesn't get that it was a product of circumstance and not the love affair he believes.

After lockdown relaxes on 12th April, we were trying to persuade her to come and visit or go on a staycation with us - not sure or clear what the rules really are but we are looking into it. Being alone, by herself 24 / 7 in a strange place with him as the person she is used to having around can't be making it easy.

I have to be honest, the reason this has gotten to me so much is that I was genuinely worried about her. Mentally, on one level, as he has made her genuinely ill with stress and fear, but also because he seems to be creating other mental effects from paranoia against her friends and family to questioning her sense of what is real. She is like a shadow of who she was a year ago and it's very sad.

We checked it out online, and he has some narcissistic stuff going on, but he also flags up as almost guaranteed borderline personality disorder too. He is just very toxic on every level. Constant drama, mad drinking, takes no responsibility for his own actions, plays the victim, deluded sense of reality and the abuse. Just a horrible human being really and it's upsetting that she seems to see him as someone she needs to look after

@ooogoo One month of NC won't be enough to break the bond if she sees him again and he will be trying to hoover her. She needs to be away from anything that would remind her of him. I think it is a good idea if she forms a bubble with you and as she is escaping an abusive situation, I think that's allowed anyway.

Yes, his type are delusional and grandiose to the point that they think that they could have anything and anyone they want without considering the impact it has on others. They lovebomb and rush physical intimacy to manufacture a bond. Everything about them is fake though and they are consistently inconsistent.

She needs to find her self and know who she really is because at the moment she has poor boundaries, lack of assertiveness and she needs to arm herself with these skills to repel controlling people like him.

I am not surprised it has really got to you because you genuinely care about her and she will see that once she is out of the fog. His type are good at isolating their victims so that they are totally dependent on them.

Going no contact may mean that things may get worse before they get better, but let her ride through those uncomfortable feelings. Tell her to look at the list of horrible things that he has done if she is ever tempted to respond to any messages or reach out to him or even think well of him. She absolutely needs to recover and she can only do that when he is out of the picture.

ooogoo · 31/03/2021 14:17

@Ruminating2020 oh that's deflating

If I sort out getting her to come to stay for the month with me (she can WFH here) then it will all be a waste if she has to go right back and be hoovered again :(

I think a huge part of the problem once she goes back is that not only can he see her at the office, but he is also pretty much the only friend or contact she has there so it's easy enough.

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Ruminating2020 · 31/03/2021 14:34

I'm so sorry to hear that @ooogoo. The hard work will be undone if she responds to his hoovering.

Is there any way that she can move offices?

ooogoo · 31/03/2021 14:47

@Ruminating2020, No, she can't, but she can WFH for the next 5 weeks and stay with me for all or most of that (hopefully beneficial to have company that isn't him as she's been alone in the flat for a few weeks now). After that she has things she needs to be in the office for, over a couple of weeks.

She can potentially use this time to be sorting a new job and coming back home to be with friends and family and her network of support and maybe that could happen within the next 2 - 3 months.

She can potentially WFH and come back to stay with us after that, possibly for longer, a month or two as she's generally not needed to be face to face in the office but there is a short period in early May where she says she needs to be there (and she will be working with him).

I really struggle to understand this mind voodoo, as she's such a sensible and logical person but basically, it's best if she doesn't see him or speak to him at all, but if she does she has to not respond to the hoovering?

Is talking to him once or twice at the office or him being in her presence each day at work for a couple of weeks enough to undo the hard work? I can't really wrap my head around it, it seems a bit like hypnosis!

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ooogoo · 31/03/2021 14:52

On the upside she has blocked him properly now and work told him he can't email her anymore, so at least the written communication and visits to her home are done with (seemingly) but she will still inevitably run into him at work as they work very closely.

I was wondering, now he's been told to leave her alone by HR, do you think he will? One of the strange psychological things going on is that although she involved HR (at our urging) she seems resentful over that.

She says partly because she's been made to feel "mental" by not realising her friend is a controlling lunatic, partly because she's found it very embarrassing professionally and partly because she says he looks at her like he hates her now and she seems upset about that.

It's been such a mindf**k for all those who care about her. We have been reading up, but it seems so unbelievable that she's in this situation. Like I say she is professionally successful and a really respectable person who's not into drama or these sorts of things. Yet she seems to have normalised or accepted this person who's threatening her, smashing her stuff, going through her phone. It seems like something that happens on TV!

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Ruminating2020 · 31/03/2021 14:57

When she is with him at work, she will need to enforce strong boundaries against him, such as talk only about work related things. No going for coffee with him and no conversing on a personal level, because that is how hoovering works.

She needs to ignore the hoovering as much as she can and show zero emotions. Perhaps look up the grey rock method as well which is minimal contact and being boring and emotionless like a grey rock, to the point where the narcissist gives up trying to extract something from her.

It is a really difficult situation for her if she is unable to find someway of being away from him. Things will never go back to normal, pre lovebombing days with a narcissist because their mask has already slipped and as long as she is in his presence, he will continue to hoover her. The other way for him to leave her alone of course is if he manages to find another poor victim sucked in by his lovebombing and attention.