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Any first hand experience of Stockhold Syndrome in abusive relationship?

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ooogoo · 31/03/2021 12:02

I'm not posting for myself, but to try and understand a situation with a close friend (I know that everyone says that but honestly, it isn't me, I am just frustrated with failed efforts to help).

A close friend who was in a low place after a difficult relationship loss moved city to start afresh with a new job. She was quite lonely in a new place, and a male colleague made friends with her and started giving her a lot of time and a friendly shoulder to cry on.

She wasn't interested in him romantically and didn't give any signals she was but he went to a big effort to make her feel included and like she was settling in as well as to listen to her and offer emotional support.

He love-bombed her basically, when she was feeling low about herself and lonely. She was enjoying having someone to do things with and the emotional intimacy and support he was offering her, but I did warn her at the time that it was a lot of red flags. He was adopting all her interests and trying to insert himself very quickly into her life as her new best friend and it was very intense and over the top.

Then after this had been going on for about 5 months and they were more best friends, the lockdown happened last year and faced with the idea of being alone in her flat, she agreed he could stay with her through lockdown (his idea) never thinking the lockdown would go on (on and off) for such a long period. They were WFH and locked in so now spending 24 hours a day together and over a few months, and some shared drinking, it turned into a FWB situation.

He told her he loved her and she said to him she didn't feel the same and didn't see herself in a relationship with him, but he didn't accept that and started acting like her boyfriend, posting on social media in a way to indicate that he was her boyfriend and she said she was really uncomfortable with it but he seemed to have some sort of manipulative hold on her by this point because he would do things like have angry outbursts and then apologise and say it was just because he loved her so much and alternating threatening with very kind and caring behavior.

He had escalated things gradually with her by cutting her off from friends and family (he'd monitor her online or on the phone and have an outburst if she was talking to anyone else) and he said a lot of things to make her feel she couldn't trust her family and friends and she withdrew from everyone over a period of months so he was more or less the only person she ever spoke to.

He was fun and very caring to her and she said she felt very special and liked being told she was loved, but she was increasingly scared of the outburts which got worse and worse. It started to happen every weekend when he'd get drunk and get angry saying he wanted to live together permanently and when she said she didn't want that or feel the way he did he would get more and more abusive.

Over this period of a few months he got very abusive indeed and smashed her property, emotional and direct blackmail, threats to ruin her life with secrets she had told him, extreme jealousy, going through her phone and then alternating that with kindness and remorse and saying it was just because he loved her so much.

She said by then she felt trapped by the situation and also like she was dependent on him because he was the only human she really saw or spoke to and when he withheld affection she felt really bad. She was a victim of childhood trauma, so I think this played into why she was so affected by this. He also told her he was a victim of past abuse and this made her feel sorry for him and excuse a lot of his actions.

Eventually it got to the point where he was never really nice and it was just outbursts and she got ill with stress so she bit the bullet and had him move out. Through all this, she hadn't really spoken to friends and family for months, but she spoke to me then and told me the whole story. She was really resolute that she realised how toxic and abusive he was and she said she was going to look for another job and return home and in the meantime was going to have no contact with him.

He continued to try and contact her, dropping things off, knocking on the door, emailing her and it was all saying he loved her and he was so sorry and it was just the drink and I begged her over time to report it and sort something legally to get him to leave her alone but she said it would blow over. It's a bit difficult as she is still loving in a different city with her new job and with the lockdown she's still isolated and alone now.

In the end he persuaded her to meet up for his closure against my advice. He persuaded her basically that it was all her fault, because she led him on by spending so much time with him, letting him sleep in her bed for months and live with her and she seemed to swallow that story hook, line and sinker and started saying she felt responsible for him having a mental health crisis and she "owed him" whatever he needed to move on.

After meeting him for closure he sort of sucked her back into the vortex and that turned into lots more urgent meetings he needed to have and her replying to his messages. She's gotten more and more ill with stress over it, but since she's been back in contact with him she suddenly seems to have adopted his reality and she thinks maybe she is the abuser and she says she doesn't trust her own judgement anymore.

I've tried to push her to see that he's an incredibly toxic person who plays on all her childhood wounds, but she oscillates between seeing that and agreeing with me to seeming to be almost angry that I am trying to separate her from him and she actually even defends him and puts a lot of the blame on herself. She even started saying she misses him.

It's a bit difficult as she is still loving in a different city with her new job and with the lockdown she's still isolated and alone now but she should be coming home within a few months once the practicalities are sorted out, but I have been really confused by why a really intelligent, professional woman with all her marbles seems to have such a distorted and favorable view of someone who essentially terrorised her.

I stumbled upon the idea of some kind of Stockholm syndrome, as the lockdown and situation meant he more or less had her completely isolated for six months or so in a way she felt she couldn't escape and she's formed some sort of deep bond with this person. She's not in love with him, doesn't want to be in a relationship with him but she also seems to not want him to go away fully.

I thought maybe anyone whos' experienced abuse could give advice on how to help her to move on from this. The situation seems to have exposed all her buried trauma from childhood and she's unwell from stress and so on. She has even said, although it makes obvious sense, that she is scared of returning home because she associates it with her past abuse and the new place is a place she saw as a happy fresh start (and he was a big part of that).

Is there anything we can do to help her? She is having counselling, but only just started a few weeks ago and hasn't seemed to have had any benefit.

OP posts:
Newbie96 · 31/03/2021 15:04

ooogoo I would definitely suggest moving jobs as seeing him every day will be an awful reminder, is there nothing more work can do for the situation?

Be aware because I don't doubt for a second that he is going to attempt other forms of communication because he is not going to like her taking her power back from him x

Ruminating2020 · 31/03/2021 15:11

@ooogoo

On the upside she has blocked him properly now and work told him he can't email her anymore, so at least the written communication and visits to her home are done with (seemingly) but she will still inevitably run into him at work as they work very closely.

I was wondering, now he's been told to leave her alone by HR, do you think he will? One of the strange psychological things going on is that although she involved HR (at our urging) she seems resentful over that.

She says partly because she's been made to feel "mental" by not realising her friend is a controlling lunatic, partly because she's found it very embarrassing professionally and partly because she says he looks at her like he hates her now and she seems upset about that.

It's been such a mindf**k for all those who care about her. We have been reading up, but it seems so unbelievable that she's in this situation. Like I say she is professionally successful and a really respectable person who's not into drama or these sorts of things. Yet she seems to have normalised or accepted this person who's threatening her, smashing her stuff, going through her phone. It seems like something that happens on TV!

@ooogoo

It is good that she has blocked him properly. Hopefully he will give up contacting her while she's away.

I can't say for certain whether he will leave her alone now that HR are involved but if she engages with him again on a personal level, then it would undermine her complaint.

She will not be thinking rationally as long as she is trauma bonded to this person and she will feel resentful about being told to increase distance. Does she have low self esteem as well? I know you said that she is well respected and professional but that is not a shield against people like him, in fact it is usually those who are strong, attractive and successful who narcissists target.

She needs to know that genuine friends will not treat her the way this person has and she needs to widen her circle of friends at work. If she ever engages with him, she needs to ensure there are witnesses there in case he tries to gaslight her.

ooogoo · 31/03/2021 16:46

Thanks so much guys. @Ruminating2020 yes, very low self esteem. Especially after being cheated on in her last relationship but she definitely has characteristics that make her vulnerable to this.

I will pass on all this advice to her, but at the moment I think she is resentful over interference. I hope she snaps out of that once she arrives home for her visit and sees we have her best interests at heart.

He seems to have created this feeling in her that she can't trust anyone or trust her own mind.

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Ruminating2020 · 31/03/2021 18:45

@ooogoo
I hope the no contact will give her space to reflect and consider things objectively. He has been poisoning her mind against herself and those who truly care about her.

All the best.

ooogoo · 31/03/2021 23:46

Thanks so much. I spoke to her tonight and fed back some of this information, she seemed to take some of it in. She says she's confused as she keeps remembering happy times and how nice he was. Very frustrating. Just really hoping she doesn't end up right back where she started.

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Ruminating2020 · 01/04/2021 08:39

@ooogoo

Thanks so much. I spoke to her tonight and fed back some of this information, she seemed to take some of it in. She says she's confused as she keeps remembering happy times and how nice he was. Very frustrating. Just really hoping she doesn't end up right back where she started.
Morning @ooogoo,

It is common for the victim to hold on to the "nice" image she has of him and overlook the bad stuff. He is only nice when it suits him or when he is trying to extract something from her. However, she will have already witnessed him being abusive when he doesn't get his own way and that is the real side of him.

I was also extremely confused and desperately wanting my "friend" to go back to being respectful, fun and kind. However, that version of him never returned and he was only after one thing.

You are in it for the long haul and it will be frustrating at times, like going round in circles, but please don't abandon her.

apalledandshocked · 01/04/2021 11:02

"This is the part I am finding hard to understand because she is a very intelligent, capable and logical woman but it's like she is fighting accepting that she's been abused."

I think that is key actually. It is hard to understand how someone who is capable, logical, intelligent can fall for something like that. so consider her perspective:
"I have always considered myself to be logical and capable - I have a good job, I am did well in school, I am rational etc etc etc. However, I fell into a crazy situation. Therefore I must be stupid and weak. But I dont want to be stupid and weak. So maybe the situation wasnt a bad one. However, I know deep down it was awful. So maybe I am stupid and weak. but if I am stupid and weak maybe he is right and I DO need him"

And on and on and round and round it goes. One of the hardest things about leaving an abusive relationship is it challenges your own view of yourself. No-one WANTS to feel like a victim (except ironically abusive people) so categorising yourself as a victim of an abuser can be hugely damaging to your own self esteem and sense of self - which will already have been eroded by the abuser.

Its similar to the way cults draw in people you would never imagine would fall victim to them. Its actually easier mentally (short term) to live with the cognitive dissonance of being in an abusive relationship than deal with the mind-fuck that leaving can present. If the abuser worms their way in when you are dealing with that mind-fuck it can be very hard not to get dragged back.

apalledandshocked · 01/04/2021 11:06

This is also, incidentally, why books like "Why Does he do that" or testimonies/case studies of Survivors of abuse can be so helpful - they present examples of women who are strong, highly intelligent, often accomplished in their own rights but none-the less fell victim to the most awful situations. It can be easier to identify with them than the stereotypical abuse victim (think a stock image of a fragile woman crouching in a corner with her hair covering her face).

Abusers dont just use your weakness against you. They use your strength..

Pokske · 01/04/2021 19:01

Look up "malignant narcissism" and "trauma bonding". These are mindfucks you can't understand if you haven't lived them.
The lockdowns aren't helping, since we all live in an isolation or another.
She needs to block hm ans when returning to the office, never to be alone so raht he can't sneak up on her.
In case he bothers her, she needs to contact the police.

JudyGemstone · 02/04/2021 07:13

She clings on to his ‘niceness’ because if she admits to herself it’s not real and he’s not nice then it totally undermines all her previous decisions and makes her feel ashamed.

OP, watch out for the ‘drama triangle’. Right now you see yourself as rescuer, this guy as perpetrator and your friend as victim. The problem with this sort of dynamic is that there is an inevitable switch of roles, he is already trying to paint you as perpetrator, saying you are manipulating her.

You need to take a big step back and allow her to make bad decisions, which she is entitled to do. Of course be there for her, but the more you try and persuade her of his awfulness the more she will dig in, then maybe see you as perpetrator and him and victim with herself as rescuer.

I actually think she was wrong to have sex with him if she didn’t want a relationship but knew he did. I think she does need to take a bit of ownership of that decision. She doesn’t deserve the way he is treating her and he does sound like a nightmare but on that one issue I do think she dropped the ball with that part.

She is indeed very lucky to have you!

JudyGemstone · 02/04/2021 07:20

Drama triangle

Any first hand experience of Stockhold Syndrome in abusive relationship?
HairyPits · 02/04/2021 07:32

I was in a similar situation.

Officially ‘split’ from my ex in the end and we were seeing other people, but he still wouldn’t let me move out.
I felt I owed it to him to stay for his mental health and various other things.
I left and returned, left and returned, several times because I’d always check on how he was doing.

I finally was able to leave after being away for a couple of weeks with family, feeling normal and unafraid, able to breathe and relax, then returning and suddenly realising being afraid in my own home all the time wasn’t normal/OK and calling the police. They persuaded me to pack my stuff and go that night.

Sadly, I don’t think anything you say can make her leave/kick him out.

Unless you can get her away for a short time under the guise of a visit/you need support, she might have time to realise her situation is not ok.

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