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In house separation hell

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feeficken · 20/03/2021 12:16

So long story short i'm 39 and W 39 comes to me and said we needed time apart and she needed space, I was dumbfounded never saw it coming, so she moved out to live with our son and about a day or two later she calls and says its over that she has feelings for someone else and that's that, no discussion nothing.

I spiral and have no idea what to do so try and convince her things can be better if we work at it etc etc. She starts justifying her actions by telling me its all my fault, I am stunned by the stuff she is saying and doing as she takes absolutely no responsibility for herself. Turns out she had been texting a co-worker as "friends" for months unbeknown to me and they'd developed feelings for each other (he is 55). Problem is from the get go I run with its all my fault and that i'd caused all of this and the break up of my family so I set to try and make things right. I look back now that some time has passed I have realised that the problems we had where NEVER that bad and certainly didn't justify existing the marriage this way and hurting me like this. Yes there where things that could have been better and I know I could have been better (then again so could she) but I am honestly talking normal practical stuff that comes up like money, working too much etc. If she had sat me down and told me how unhappy she was I'd have set to work and we could have sorted things together as the team I thought we where. I thought we where soulmates and that we where on the same page.

Anyway over the next year I basically work myself crazy to try and make our marriage a better place to be if she wants it and even if she doesn't I know we'd both be in a better position financially amongst other things.

She bounced back between myself and OM over the year and at one point they get a flat together (he lives with his daughter) and she starts texting me asking to come back saying shes made a stupid mistake and she loves me etc so of course I love the woman and I agree as I think perhaps she now knows the grass is not greener, she initially its resistant to just leave him though (crazy right should have been red flag right there) but things are strained between them for whatever reason (no idea) and she wants back right away so while he's out I help pack up her stuff into my van and bring her home, I told her before hand this wasn't right that she should tell him the truth and that she was going to give our marriage the best chance (I know right why should I care but heh). After she comes back its all good and shes all over me and then pulls back but I later come to find out ALL the times shes come back to me she ended up texting him again and at one point is shagging him again while I think we where trying to reconcile.

Around Sept she ends it with me again (course she does cause she is still seeing and sleeping with him behind my back!) and starts seeing him openly using our house her base. I get to the point in January where I've had enough and I can't take it and me and my adult son some move out and I tell her she can have the house and she plans to move the O/M in. About a month later she starts texts again (you know where this is going right?) to say she doesn't want to move him in and is sorry for what's she's done and that we should at least try again and I like a fucking idiot agree and so we start working on it again and everything seems good for a month and agree I should move back in but about a week before I move in (at this point I've kitted out a whole flat) she changes her mind and says she doesn't want the house and wants me to take it over that she will live with her Dad until she finds somewhere new, a couple of days before I move back shes decided she just going to stay in the home until she gets somewhere and at this point i'm already in the process of moving back in.

So here I am again moved back in and shes using the house as a base to see the OM and conduct this new relationship and its fucking hell (this is a joint mortgage so I can't just tell her to leave). She also doesn't seem to be in a hurry to get her own place and won't move in with her Dad who BTW does have room, what's pissing me right off is she is going about life like everything is normal as though she has done nothing wrong and that she has been honourable (she says she never had an affair). At one point in the last couple of weeks she is saying she started saying she doesn't know what she wants and then swings back the other way (she is all over the place) but still seeing the OM. Not sure why I am even posting to be honest don't have anyone I can talk to really.

Honestly I do still feel love for this woman (crazy right?) but I can feel it dying and more of me wants her gone than for her to stay, more of me feels less forgiven. She knows I love her I have told her, my actions have told her but she also knows this is killing me but it doesn't seem to matter.

Anyone been through anything like this?

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 22/03/2021 01:17

Lots of good advice here (apart from Aardvark suggesting that you buy sex from a stranger)

I know someone going through similar and it’s a total headfuck. You need to physically and emotionally separate as much as you can from her. If you have to stay in the house for a while, separate as much as possible re money, chores, childcare etc. Pick the days you’re going to be responsible for your DC once you separate and start putting that in place now - not in a way that your kid will notice, but just plan things for your off days and get out of the house, go for a walk with a friend, make it clear that on those days it’s her job to care for and feed your son. On the other days you do it. Treat it as if you’ve properly split but just happen to be in the same geographical space.

And be aware that this isn’t necessarily true And just remember you'll get half in marital assets during divorce and sale of house

If it goes to court it may well be split differently depending on earning capacity and future potential, and also how many days a week each of you is likely to be parenting alone. You need some proper advice on this.

Ardvark111 · 22/03/2021 09:40

@markruffalocrumble. She is out there shagging not giving a toss. so why shouldn't he,!! Escorts suggestion was also a option

ThatOtherPoster · 22/03/2021 09:53

Don’t feel like a mug. You’re a loving, decent, kind person who’s trying to deal with a twat. :)

As soon as you finish this, your DW will fall back in love with you and spend quite a bit of time love-bombing you to try and get you back. Please resist. She sounds like a nightmare.

Your future will be very, very bright without this awful woman.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 22/03/2021 10:49

@Aardvark. Shagging escorts is never an option for a decent man. In fact there’s a thread on here at the moment where most posters wouldn’t knowingly touch a man who’s paid escorts for sex as it’s seedy and misogynistic to use womens bodies as commodities so keep your sexist bullshit for elsewhere, on a website visited mainly by women you just come across as a creep.

feeficken · 22/03/2021 11:06

Just to clear this up that's never going to happen ever.

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 22/03/2021 11:31

Thank you feeficken. Sorry for the hijack but in light of recent events, calling out misogyny wherever we see it has become even more important to women.

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feeficken · 22/03/2021 14:15

@MarkRuffaloCrumble no problem at all, I understand the importance of and agree with your comments.

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feeficken · 22/03/2021 14:55

Feeling on a bit of a downer today but I put that down to staying up late last night which I know i shouldn't and need to be sleeping well, but wanted to finish watching a series on netflix with my Son (just to clear things up my DC are both adults)

I've just got this feeling of defeat today, I am mentally exhausted because its like this situation is now normal life, I know its not and I constantly need to remind myself of that. I need to keep reminding myself that she has behaved absolutely terribly. I need to keep reminding myself when the heart tries to rule the head of what she has done and that the OM has had his hands over her (and the rest) and she let him in order to keep me strong which in itself is a battle within that's difficult to deal with on its own.

A few people have said why are you so passive or you should be raging with what's she's put you through but I think the problem is I have been living this for a year and trying to turn things around and I've never had the chance to get a minute to myself to process all of this. I do get moments of anger but I can't seem to hold onto them for any prolonged period of time. I have started to talk to a councillor at least so hopefully that will begin to help.

If anyone had said to me this is what you will be a like a year from now or this is the situation you will be in I would have laughed it off, its crazy.

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 22/03/2021 16:18

Ah I hope the counselling helps you to get your head straight.

Having grown up kids will hopefully make the separation a bit easier, as at least you're not having to deal with a custody battle on top of everything else. It's not surprising you haven't got any fight left in you, she's properly messed you up and the mental energy it takes to deal with it all can really leave you reeling.

Is she looking for somewhere else to live yet?

feeficken · 22/03/2021 17:54

@MarkRuffaloCrumble she is supposed to be but I am not seeing much evidence of that, she seems to be dragging her heels on that front from what I can see. I know she initially did go see a place when we had a bust up a few weeks ago but nothing since then.

Just seems to me she is in no hurry to move out which is strange since she wants to be with OM Confused

The again I have no idea what’s going on in her life anymore or what her and OM are planning.

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 22/03/2021 18:03

Could you give her a date to be out by? Tell her you have a lodger moving in or something? Start sorting stuff for her to take etc. I think some physical distance will help you to process it all. While she’s still there and you’re in this weird limbo it’s going to be even harder for you.

feeficken · 22/03/2021 18:44

Doing it would make a difference as she could just say no since her name is on the mortgage. I do think that’s the main issue that I have not had any space myself and have been living this the last year trying to turn things around.

The whole situation is just confusing. Problem is my head whirls because I try to read her and try and figure it if this is just cake eating and she’s just taking things slow with OM to make sure she is secure OR is there doubt? But then if there was doubt why is she still seeing him?! See what I mean I know I am a deep over thinker at times and I do try and combat it.

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MarkRuffaloCrumble · 22/03/2021 20:53

Don’t settle for a cake eater!

There are plenty of women out there who don’t want to make you do a little dance to earn their love.

If she’s had her head turned just let her go.

Even if - especially if - you want to try and work things out with her. She’ll have no respect for you if you beg and plead with her to change her mind. I guarantee that your best hope of getting her to realise she’s making a massive mistake is to go ‘grey rock’ with her, no interaction (not ignoring her, just nothing with emotion or interest - be business like and cold) and make plans to move on. She sounds like a player and will want what she can’t have. If you want her to pick you she has to think you’re not an option.

Hopefully in the process of being unavailable you’ll realise that you don’t actually want to be available to her. You deserve someone who cherishes you and makes you feel loved and secure in their affection, not someone who messes with your head for her own entertainment.

Ganasha · 23/03/2021 04:28

You tried to do what you thought was best. You tried to save your marriage. You deserve better than this. You can be happy without her but you need her gone. I think the best thing is to see a solicitor and file for divorce. Keep posting on here and we will support you

QuestionEverythingOrBeASheep · 23/03/2021 11:53

@Ardvark111

Mate nobody deserves to be treated the way you have been,!! Sounds like she don't know her ass from her elbow on what or who she wants.... Just co parent with her as that's all you have left now, get your self respect back and not let her treat you like a doormat, best of luck to you on your way forward
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feeficken · 23/03/2021 12:09

I agree in my head just wish my heart would catch up but hopefully this will happen once we are fully separated. Just shocking to see this woman that I thought I knew turn into this complete stranger that I recognise her face but just to recognise her.

Need to keep my options open regarding moving out so I've started looking at flats again as I have no idea what she is doing, what her plan is or if she is even actively looking for anywhere.

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Usagi12 · 23/03/2021 14:10

She's done a number on you. She was the one who had an affair, she's broken up the marriage. I think you need to see s lawyer and divorce her. Move on with the rest of your life, she's taking the piss.

MarkRuffaloCrumble · 23/03/2021 14:20

Yeah might be an idea to move yourself - at least that way you get a fresh start.

It’s so hard when you still love someone but in time you’ll see that you’re better off without her. It’s a bit like an addiction - even though it’s bad for you, you can’t see it until you’re out of it.

Tomyoneandonly · 23/03/2021 14:21

I'm so sorry you're going through this. Its definitely not your fault. I'm your age and going through similar with my man who denies everything even though I see and hear. In reality she has done you a favour by being straight with you. What ever you do she doesn't deserve your kindness or any kind of emotional support. She sounds like an attention seekers. I would also move out ASAP and gather your self respect and find someone else who will treat you with the respect you deserve.

Tomyoneandonly · 23/03/2021 14:29

Love is so amazing. We convince ourselves that we love only one person. Where we should love everyone and have someone who we see worthy of intimate love ie emotional and physical. Your wife is not worthy of your love even though you will always love her she doesn't qualify.

feeficken · 23/03/2021 16:24

@Tomyoneandonly that is very true. I offered her my unconditional love, I offered her my forgiveness, I was never a bastard to her or judged her and recognised we all make mistakes, despite what seems a total lack of remorse. I also took a good look at myself and our marriage and recognised things could be better and I worked on those things and I did that alone. I am proud of what I have achieved so far, its just very said she can't recognise any of it and has continued to throw back in my face.

At least walking away l can tell myself I tried with every ounce of strength I had to to fight for us. I know I am not unique but I do wonder how many people would have stayed this long and continued to be this forgiving (perhaps that's actually a flaw I need to work on).

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Seadad · 23/03/2021 21:13

I think to be honest OP - you have had very weak boundaries. It's meant that you've been unable to decipher what is ok and what is absolutely not OK, what is forgivable and what can't be, and what is reasonable or kind and what is being used and abused.
The problem is that most women see this as a red flag- someone you shouldn't partner with, unless they want someone you can take advantage of.
What she has put you through is unspeakable and cruel - and if she is rewriting history and justifying her actions it is because she feels you have abandoned your right to be treated with respect.
I think you need to take back your core and stand firm and earn some respect. Tell her to move out - she's done enough harm and she can't afford to stay anyway. Get a good lawyer and frankly - don't speak with her again other than about property and divorce proceedings by text or email only.