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For those with "difficult" mothers, why do you think they are that way?

71 replies

merrynelly · 11/03/2021 20:37

Inspired by a thread relating to Mothers Day cards, and also that I've been reflecting on my relationship with my Mother a hell of a lot since having my own child recently, I have been wondering why my Mother is the way she is.

She is a very cold woman, who exhibits traits of narcissism and emotionally abused me heavily throughout my childhood. I'm confident she is not even remotely aware of how unkind and damaging her behaviour is, and in fact thinks she's a wonderful mother.

The only reasoning which makes sense to me is that her parents were very similar and treated her poorly to say the least and so it is generational trauma I believe. I just wondered if this was the same for others or if there are other factors at play?

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SparkyTheCat · 11/03/2021 22:56

I think my DM is the way she is at least partly because of a traumatic family event when she was a teenager. I feel very sorry for that teenager, but where it stops being okay is that she's spent the 60 years since then punishing her own family with the sort of behaviour described by pp. So, where I've got to with it all is that, while I don't give in to her games (because it isn't my job to make up for her family of origin's problems), I say no as kindly as possible. Our interactions are pleasant enough if superficial, and that's as good as it's probably going to get.

rulerbirds · 11/03/2021 23:04

Some of these stories are just awful! My mother is hard work because she’s very unhappy and lonely. My father is practically a mute or if he does talk it’s angry outbursts. He can’t talk about anything in a normal tone. I don’t remember any happy family holidays. She’s miserable. She really needed a kinder, more outgoing man but you just didn’t leave hard working men in her day.

alwayslucky · 11/03/2021 23:17

What sad stories. I feel so sorry for everyone, even a lot of the monster mothers. For those who endured them, it was horrible, but safely standing outside, it's easy to put oneself in their shoes, if not to excuse them, but at least to understand them. It says a lot for those who posted, that they managed to convey that. Thanks for this thread.

MrsGogolsGumbo · 12/03/2021 00:02

I think for my mum it was a combination of her upbringing which was very hard, her own mother who was not a pleasant woman, and partly because of who she is.

Dontbugmemalone · 12/03/2021 00:06

My mum had a traumatic childhood and although I don't know all the details, I think she was abused in all the senses of the word.
She had me young which and was not mature or ready to bring a child into the world.
Her past lead to her becoming an alcoholic whilst being a single parent is tough, I had to be independent, get ready and take myself to school at 6 years old.
This still stings today as I don't feel I got an easy childhood. Once she became sober, she still chose to bring dodgy people into our lives and this lead to me being abused.

Although we had good times, I am struggling to break the abuse cycle with my own family. She tried but I don't think it was her best.
The worst thing for me personally is when she repeatedly told me I was a mistake, I could have got rid of you etc. That sticks in your head.
Sorry for the essay.

Woodlandbelle · 12/03/2021 00:07

With mine it comes down to her having a crap childhood and poverty/hunger. Poor models. She has weak social skills. This coupled with I think jealously of others. Anger. Boredom due to unemployment and ill health. DF enables the way she is. Phew.. It's hard Sad

Sssloou · 12/03/2021 00:47

Their own traumatic childhood might go some way explain their abusive, dysfunctional, difficult or neglectful behaviour towards you but it never excuses it.

I can understand that people are emotionally deficient and inadequate due to trauma and neglect in their childhood which has left them emotionally developmentally stunted - their behaviours are often very immature.

They can’t give to you what they seemingly don’t have themselves as they are emotionally under resourced in both skills and knowledge.

But they do know right from wrong inside and they always have a choice to either reflect, acknowledge, apologise and seek to change or proactively double down on their dysfunctional behaviours (maybe driven by shame).

kaleishorrid · 12/03/2021 00:55

I agree that they had poor role models but didn't manage to change their own behaviour.

It took real effort from me to not parent dd in the way my mum (and dad) parented me. I love them both but duty and honour was everything (traditional Asian background). My education was dictated by this - not allowed to go away for university and asked why I couldn't just stop after A levels and I would have to drop out if they found someone for me to marry.

When dd was younger I did do things that I regret now but I have tried to change the pattern.

Also pre dd when dh had a fight I would fight like my parents did, which never resolved anything. That took a lot of unlearning as when you are angry it is easy to slip in to what you know.

For those of us who have this I their past I think all we can do is try and be better parents

Tankflybosswalkjam · 12/03/2021 01:08

Another sister waving 👋

Mine was/is the Golden Child extraordinaire. She has never been told no, by anyone. And has perpetrated the model in her own family - she’s a massive narcissist, the only thing that matters is how people reflect her glory. Less than perfection will not be tolerated. She’s scary and odd. I do love her but...

Tankflybosswalkjam · 12/03/2021 01:13

And the way I parent my own children is so so wildly different to how she firmly believes things should be done. And she’s constructed a narrative in her mind that as a mother she did all these things, whereas I am utterly lacking because I don’t do them. I’m talking about stuff like feeding the kids loads of veg and making them sit to the table until they’ve finished it all. She thinks that’s what happened, and yet actually that’s just nonsense.

She also questions everything, with an air of “you are a semi-useless incompetent idle fuckwit and will one day kill your kids if I don’t interfere constantly.”

If I make the children a cheese sandwich she questions why I didn’t use ham. And vice versa. On Sunday night she started pestering about whether the kids’ uniforms were ready for school. I had to stop her and point out that I’m a grown ass woman.

God I’m knackered thinking about it.

Miffyliffy · 12/03/2021 01:51

My mother was extremely physically abusive (think prisoner of war type of treatment but not reaching death obviously), emotionally abusive, allowed the ongoing sexual abusive of me for 9 years and when I would tell her she would physically assault me, psychologically abusive etc.

We didn't know any different, I loved her despite all these things and couldn't have dreamed of ever telling anyone what was going on.

My mother would tell us she was going to hang herself as we were leaving for school and she would say 'if the door is closed when you get home don't come in, just call the police'. I look back and wonder how I was able to go to school and no one ever questioned if I was all ok at home, I had one set of clothes and one set of undies for 3 years, I wore them every day and night.

My mother acknowledges the physical abuse but says 'what else was I supposed to do?'

My grandmother was a very hard working, refined woman. My mother had a very privileged childhood, by both their accounts.

My mother had kids young, all 5 to different men, she didn't finish school, never worked, there was nothing. My grandmother has purchased 5 houses for my mother over her life, countless cars, given her tens of thousands of dollars when she's needed it. My mother has trashed every car, house and blown the money on things like holidays for herself and men that she was sleeping with.

As kids she would starve us, we were rarely allowed to eat, we would steal our neighbours macadamia nuts of their trees, eat flowers, yabbies.

I don't understand why my mother's turned out the way she has.

To this day she will try to ruin things for her kids, if we get a new job, new relationships etc anything we do she will try to ruin so that we have nothing.

She cannot allow us happiness.

Everyone thinks she's golden, she's so perfect at being a fake church going citizen its mind blowing

DanielODonkey · 12/03/2021 02:02

Generational trauma.
Her dad died when she was 4. She and her mum and sisters appear to believe they were a burden to the rest of the family, I don't know if they were told this.
Apparently atmosphere in the house was akin to a nest of vipers - mum, her two sisters and their mum bitched about everyone and no kind words said.

If you aren't with me you're against me. And any disagreement is catastrophic. I grew up not knowing my maternal family because of multi person and multi dimensional infighting.

OzziePopPop · 12/03/2021 04:31

@AccidentallyOnPurpose

The way she was brought up. Refusal to move on with the times. Refusal to accept she's ever wrong. Reputation,what will the neighbours say etc always more important than everything. Bitterness about her lot in life. Refusal to see me as a person and not what she wants me to be/an extension of her/bragging rights.

She has a very rigid set of rules of what a girl/woman should be,how she should behave,look ,say etc and anything derailing from that is simply wrong. Wrong is bad. Bad makes her angry/upset/frustrated/hurt. Then she lashes out. And repeat.

I think we have the same mother... I’m nc with her now 😞
OzziePopPop · 12/03/2021 04:34

@miffyliffy I’m so sorry, your mother makes mine seem like a saint. I really hope you’re ok now 💐💐💐

starrynight21 · 12/03/2021 04:44

I used to think that she was just a horrible person. Then I met her sister ( they'd grown up in Canada and we'd never met this sister before). Auntie told me that when she and Mum were growing up, their Dad was always away working and their mother didn't cope at all. My mother used to get blamed for everything, "she was the whipping boy" said Auntie. So this poor little girl was regularly beaten and / or locked in a cupboard all day to punish her for her "sins". This went on for years apparently.

Since I learned this story of Mum's childhood, I've been able to look at her in a different way. She played the only hand of cards that she'd been dealt, and she didn't know anything about family love or relationships. I wanted to go back in time and give her a big hug, but since I couldn't do that, I just mentally forgave her and tried to be caring and supportive instead of reacting to her nastiness. It didn't always work too well, but our relationship did improve . I never told her that I knew about her childhood, but whenever I looked at her I saw that little girl sitting in a dark cupboard, and I mentally gave her a hug.

ILOVEALLCAKES · 12/03/2021 06:30

I would agree with OP, those traits sound generational.

I try to attribute my DM behaviour to the same reason, however whilst I have continually been the centre of her negativity, my DB is Golden Balls. He can honestly do no wrong. She’s treats us so differently with so many of the traits others have posted.

@Miffyliffy - your childhood sounded awful 💐

I always struggle with Mothers Day looming. How do others ‘celebrate’ it with your difficult DM’s?

niceupthedance · 12/03/2021 06:39

I don't know why she is like it? She left me with her mum a lot of the time and my grandmother was a far better mum than my own. DM says she's never been depressed, so no trauma to explain it. She's just very selfish and neglectful of others but thinks she's amazing. I think she never enjoyed parenting.

Apparentlystillchilled · 12/03/2021 06:43

@ILOVEALLCAKES I do my duty and sort out a card/present and call her for 5 mins. Same foe her birthday and Christmas. V LC all-year round. I don't give her enough info to try to worm her toxicity into my life but chat about the weather etc about once a month. Reasons for it?- 20 years of pretty significant abuse from my father which she has never recovered from. And maybe some trauma or dysfunction when she was younger as her family were not supportive when my dad was treating her so badly.

Moomoolandmoomooland · 12/03/2021 06:46

Mine has undiagnosed mental health problems. Put simply. The reality was she was very controlling, prone to mood swings, shouting and screaming at us for no reason. Her foul mood would dominate the whole house for days.

Now I'm a parent myself and away from her, I do have a lot nore understanding and sympathy towards her. She was mum to four kids under 6. I struggled with two young kids, so she must have had it really tough. I have been able to get myself back after having kids through going back to full-time work etc. She was just stuck at home all day everyday etc.

A recent family death and the distance from lockdown has really got me looking at a lot of family relationships in a new light.

Iggly · 12/03/2021 06:48

You’ve answered your own question OP.

Our upbringing has a massive impact on who we become, like it or not.

My mum had a terrible childhood. It has taken me until my kids are a bit older now to see that. I pity her in some ways. I feel sad though - I’m sure she’s tried her best, and I also feel sad as sometimes I see parts of her in my parenting and I strive hard to avoid that.

TirisfalPumpkin · 12/03/2021 06:49

I think mine’s a bit different, as no obvious trigger for generational trauma, apart from general ‘it was hard being a girl/woman in the mid 20th century’. Her family are quite traditional, she is not, so probably stuck out as the odd/different one, but if there was any abuse or bad behaviour from them, she’s never said anything about it.

Makes me think it’s just me, tbh. She could rein her awful behaviour in with my brother and when around people. Although there’s a weird ‘golden child reversal’ going on at the moment, possibly because she has realised which of her 2 children will be providing elder care and which has moved 300 miles away and barely keeps in touch. So she’s suddenly being nice to me, but is no good at it and it’s weird and I don’t trust it.

Laserbird16 · 12/03/2021 06:59

I think trauma but she doesn't have the ability to work through it as it would mean coming off her pedestal.

She was raised by a single mother in a time when that was very not ok. Doted on by the extended family but held at arms length emotionally by her mother who was most liked depressed or at least very sad.

Bullied at school and too insecure to think perhaps she didn't have to keep living those lies once she left.

Met my dad and I think just froze at that point in time as a bit of insecure teenager.

She can be quite nice but then she just can't help be nasty and I am a particular target. Possibly because I don't hold up her view that she is the BEST!

When I magnanimous she is a very flawed person but by God she is such a bitch to me and to be fair everyone else and sly about it too

Woebegonad · 12/03/2021 07:00

I never want her to feel about me like I do about my mother.

The only way to ensure this is to not have kids. My DM isn't a patch on many of yours, but I never wanted a DD to judge and analyse me in the way I did her. Many of your daughters will go LC, VLC with you. You'll never understand why.

Picklesbaby · 12/03/2021 07:04

Probably her own relationship with her mum. Her alcohol abuse or bipolar disorder . She told me once I had kids I’d understand how hard it is but in truth I only made the decision to cut ties once id had my own daughter. But I do think of her often and hope she is doing better

GreenBalaclava · 12/03/2021 07:06

I have a positive story to share.

My grandma had a very difficult life herself and was an unsupportive mother to my mum. But my mum was / is an amazing, loving mother to me, and my brother says the same.

So it is possible to break that inter generational cycle with your own children.

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