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BPD Husband

30 replies

SchmooobyDoo · 06/03/2021 14:40

Anyone have experience of Borderline Personality Disorder in their partner?

DH starts something, it escalates. Yes, I lose the plot at times... As it comes from nowhere.

He then makes out that I started it / am mental / making him like that, etc... I can’t take anymore.

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XDownwiththissortofthingX · 06/03/2021 14:48

Not in a partner, but I have two female friends who have a BPD diagnosis, and as lovely as they are, I can only really take both in very small doses.

When they are struggling everything, no matter how insignificant, gets turned into a massive, life-ruining crisis, and neither are slow to make sure you know that you are every bit as much a part of the problem as anything else. Any attempt to show kindness and consideration is met with hostility, and used as yet another stick to beat you with about your inability to understand or help.

After decades of this, I've realised that the only thing that you can do when it gets bad is turn around and walk away, and go no contact, for both parties' sake. You don't help by trying to be compassionate and considerate, because they're not in a place where they can recognise kindness and compassion for what it is, so even though it appears callous, cutting contact and refusing to stand and be a punchbag is the order of the day.

The only reason I still keep in touch is because both are genuinely lovely when they are on an even keel, and invariably I get a sobbing apology over the phone for their behaviours, but there really is no rationalising or perspective with them when they are unwell.

litterbird · 06/03/2021 14:51

Yes, its a never winning battle. It nearly finished me off. I walked away. Very very painful part of my life and if I had stayed I would have damaged myself and my mental health badly. The gaslighting which you are experiencing is one of the worse things I have experienced. My advise is to walk away.....quickly.....in that direction >>>>>>>>>

SchmooobyDoo · 06/03/2021 15:08

I ended up shouting & swearing in front of our baby boy. And then he said, “you’re shouting & screaming in front of the baby”. And I was...

I’m a loving mum to my son. I can’t let this happen to us! litterbird, walking away seems like the only option now. I actually did leave the room before it kicked off & he started it up again, claiming I had done so...

CDown, it’s exactly like you describe with your friends. When he’s good he’s good. But, I don’t want my kid growing up with Jekyll & Hyde...

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contrary13 · 06/03/2021 15:21

My daughter has NPD, with traits of EUPD - and, although obviously not a partner but a child, I can tell you that living with someone like this... well, it doesn't get any better.

Is your husband taking medication following his diagnosis - or is he like so many who refuse to believe there's actually anything wrong with them, and subsequently don't take their meds either at all, or regularly? My daughter truly believes that I "am in league" with her GP and her psychologist... that I convinced them to drug her "unnecessarily" because I want to control her. The amount of research into the illness (and it is a MH illness at the end of the day) I did following her diagnosis, and the support group I attend has taught me that this refusal to accept, or believe they're ill is horrifically common. So they don't take their meds properly and as XDownwith says, their balance is altered and they become impossible and/or dangerous to be around.

Yes. Dangerous. Your husband sounds very like my daughter (if you want to know what she did to her brother and myself, feel free to search my threads on here - MN proved itself an invaluble place of support and advice for me 5 years ago) and you've already mentioned how the gaslighting and, I expect, his paranoia is affecting your mental health. I was the same. But because she's my child, and I love her... I put up with it. Walked on eggshells every moment of the day/night she was in the house. Stood between her and her younger brother until he got older and taller and held his own (perfect) boundaries. Lockdown ensured that she had me in the perfect position to coerce and control, and she did her utmost to isolate me from my friends, even online (she failed on that one). She brought me to my knees, both physically and mentally - then turned around, every time and... yep... blamed me for her actions and cruelty. Nothing is ever their fault, you see - always someone else's, and usually ours.

It took a while, but I eventually changed the locks on her before Christmas. Her threats to kill me, or physically assault me simply got too much - and my son (whom she had no issue with screaming this in front of) turned around and threatened to hurt her if she went anywhere near me. He's 16. She's very good at playing the victim card (the tears, and the "they haaaaaate me" sobs, y'know?). She flounced out, my best friend's husband came round and helped my son to change the locks on all of the doors. Apart from one visit to the doorstep where she alternated between violence and verbal abuse, to tears and wailing about how I apparently hate her (I don't), I've not seen her since. My son has seen her once, supervised by my mother, to ask her to accept responsibility for the animals she brought into our home and abandoned - which she refused to do, so I figure they're probably ours now - but he came back fuming because of her stance that she's the victim in all of this. He was there. He knows exactly what happened and what was said - but she's twisted it all around to the point where she truly believes her own rewritten version of it (apparently I was the one threatening her).

If you're being threatened, gaslit, verbally abused, or even physically afraid of your husband, SchmooobyDoo - you have to walk away. Now. Before it escalates to a point where you could end up being badly hurt, or even killed. Your husband needs to accept respnsibility for his own actions/thoughts/mental health - and unfortunately, statistically, that's not something people with PDs often do.

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dieblauenStrumpfhosen · 06/03/2021 15:22

From my experience, the only solution is to walk away. He won't change. You'll always be to blame for his outbursts in his eyes. His ego is so fragile that he literally can't accept responsibility for his actions.

SchmooobyDoo · 06/03/2021 15:53

He’s reading up about it, with a few “expert” books. No official diagnosis. But he’s a textbook case. I think he needs professional help, really.

Since the books, he often says that I have to work on my “issues” and fix my side of the problem... I don’t want him saying the same to our son.

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SchmooobyDoo · 06/03/2021 15:59

Thanks for sharing, contrary13. Yeah, I do worry what would happen if “l” ended the marriage... I’d be the one branded this, that & the other!

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dieblauenStrumpfhosen · 06/03/2021 16:00

I got told exactly the same. But believe me, I did everything I could to assuage him and nothing I did ever stopped him going for me again the next time he imagined I was attacking him. Even if I was quiet or upset after an attack from him, he could twist that into being another attack on him.

He never failed to apologise. But it would always happen again, exactly the same.

TedTookVows · 06/03/2021 16:02

I believe that my best friends husband is BPD it is a fucking nightmare with him.

TedTookVows · 06/03/2021 16:05

Posted too soon, everything is someone else's fault, he is never to blame, grudgebearing sulking and miserable,worthy of a spoiled 7 yo. I pray all the time she finds the strength to leave. Thanks

SchmooobyDoo · 06/03/2021 20:33

Strump, it always seems that I have alter / edit myself, I know what you’re saying. I think I actually have changed after today... It won’t make any difference to him / his behaviour. But it might move me towards the exit.

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SchmooobyDoo · 06/03/2021 20:35

He’s always sorry. But I don’t want shouting by me or him, in my house. It’s that simple. I decided to marry him, to have a child with him. I may very well have to decide to leave him.

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Kgrzghtechh · 06/03/2021 20:52

He's abusing you. It's coercive control.

What does it matter what labels you find to "explain" the abuse? It's still abuse. It's still not acceptable.

Maze76 · 06/03/2021 20:57

Before I read your post I was questioning whether my husband has a personality disorder disorder. I’m now convinced he does.

MrsPerfect12 · 06/03/2021 21:14

I promise this won't get better. My ex had something, I'm not sure what and behaved this way. I hated him and left. Please note this is how he's teaching your child to behave. Get out before it's difficult.

irishoak · 06/03/2021 21:15

My husband was diagnosed at the end of last year, we split up just before Christmas, I made him leave a few weeks later. I'm still not sure (don't suppose I ever will be) how much of his behaviour was because of his mental illness and how much was just abuse. If you search my username you'll probably be able to see my post about it, to be honest there was even more extreme behaviour from him that I was too ashamed to write about.

It's been hard but life is so much calmer and quieter and more relaxed without him here. I'm not walking on eggshells from the second I get up, I'm not trying to do damage control constantly, I'm not nervous about every small situation going wrong somehow and it becoming a massive issue, I'm not being made to feel frightened all the time, and then be shouted at because I'm frightened. I don't know your husband OP, but if he's anything like mine, just leave. I can't imagine what it would be like to bring up a child with someone like that (thank god we didn't have any), and i can't imagine that it would be good for the child either.

Jekyll and Hyde is exactly right - I still can't believe that someone who would say they loved me and be so nice when things were calm, would turn around and say the cruelest things I could imagine. He knew my every weak spot and he went right for them, no holding back once the rage for hold of him. A lot of the time, especially towards the end, it didn't even make sense - contradicting himself, twisting facts, somehow making everything my fault.

Plus all the other stuff that comes with BPD - trouble maintaining any kind of relationship (friends, family), couldn't hold down a proper job, addiction, etc.

SchmooobyDoo · 07/03/2021 00:38

Irishoak, everything you’ve said here. The last paragraph is him, too. Always slagging my family / mates, not just his own. He has left a string of jobs... Always the boss to blame!

He’s lovebombs, saying I’m a brilliant wife / mother etc... Only to say the opposite in the next breath. Inferring that I’m a shit mum is too much, though. It’s not about me anymore...

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SchmooobyDoo · 07/03/2021 00:42

And all of this is undoing my good mum-work. That’s the worst thing for me. I was shouting, I was being a “crazy” person. I never shouted at anyone in my life, before him... The neighbours probably think it’s me that’s the problem! My poor child.

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SchmooobyDoo · 07/03/2021 00:44

Honestly I don’t think I can go back to normal, in my mind, after today...

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SchmooobyDoo · 07/03/2021 00:45

And it all started with something so tiny. Ridiculous! I even left the room to stop it happening, to no avail.

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CandyLeBonBon · 07/03/2021 00:49

I have EUPD and yes it can be hard for partners but I can tell you from experience that hard work can make a difference. I love my dp and although occasionally, things have been difficult, I've worked hard to improve things and he has been understanding enough to help with that. We don't live together which probably helps.

You do have to want to work on yourself and understand how your behaviours affect other people.

CandyLeBonBon · 07/03/2021 00:50

By 'you' I mean the person with the difficult personality traits.

SchmooobyDoo · 07/03/2021 00:55

He’s been working on it, Candy. He’s aware of the problem, and it had improved a lot lately. He’s been really trying hard, for our son’s sake. But, also telling me that I need to work on myself.

There have been a crop of bad episodes in the last week. And it’s coincided with me smelling green leaves on him. They’re banned from this house. He admitted he had them.

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SchmooobyDoo · 07/03/2021 00:57

I’ve been very understanding. But I think I’ve turned a corner, and I can’t go back...

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CandyLeBonBon · 07/03/2021 01:38

@SchmooobyDoo

I’ve been very understanding. But I think I’ve turned a corner, and I can’t go back...
Fair enough. Completely understandable
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