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Argument Phrases You Hate!

55 replies

EternalOptimist7 · 04/03/2021 14:00

DH & I don’t argue half as much as we used to but had a humdinger today ( probably not helped by DD’s attitude, mess everywhere & generally being fed up with lockdown). Anyway, if I go on, he will say that I’m “ banging my gums together” & that enrages me! I had a real go at him about it today & said it’s disrespectful & could well be interpreted as misogynistic. He replied that he does respect me but when he’s pissed off, stuff comes out that wouldn’t normally. Are there any phrases that you hate in an argument?

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Pugworld · 04/03/2021 14:26

My ex used to say 'Oh I'm terribly fucking sorry' when he was accused of being a dick and blatantly wasn't sorry.

mrcow · 04/03/2021 14:30

“It’s your way, or the highway”

Which has never been the case.

I think he heard it once and just thinks an intelligent thing to say?

Bibidy · 04/03/2021 14:34

My DP refers to things he thinks we should be doing / he wants to be doing as 'like grown-ups'. Eg. "We could be doing X, Y , Z tonight, like grown ups". It really fucks me off, as if he's saying he's the grown up and I'm a child.

Also, a snarky "What do/would you know about X?". Really pushes my buttons.

NovemberR · 04/03/2021 14:34

Well, you know where the door is!

Um. It's my fucking house, you knob.

MaMisled · 04/03/2021 14:36

"What MaMisled wants, MaMisled gets! Every fucking time!"

scaredsadandstuck · 04/03/2021 15:10

"Alright, calm down" - said in a very dismissive, minimising way. Angry

seensome · 04/03/2021 15:17

'You're being irrational' no creep I'm not!
'You're an abuser' I won't put up with crap

YesItsAPeacock · 04/03/2021 15:31

@Bibidy

My DP refers to things he thinks we should be doing / he wants to be doing as 'like grown-ups'. Eg. "We could be doing X, Y , Z tonight, like grown ups". It really fucks me off, as if he's saying he's the grown up and I'm a child.

Also, a snarky "What do/would you know about X?". Really pushes my buttons.

That's quite funny because I tend to regard adults referring to themselves as "grown ups" as quite a childish thing. Children call adults grown ups.
honeylulu · 04/03/2021 15:33

My husband has a teenage type habit of yelling "I don't fucking care! I don't give a toss!" And then gets even more annoyed when I point out that he clearly does care or he wouldn't be so upset. (He particularly hates me saying he's upset, because it sounds emasculating I think Confused even though he's evidently ... upset.)

Not my husband but am old friend (frenemy) from uni who could be really conniving and when I caught her out would say haughtily "well I didn't mean to put your nose out of joint". There was just something so belittling about it, as I'd I was being the unreasonable one.

Dinosaursobsessedson · 04/03/2021 15:35

He accuses me of having a breakdown and it will pass 🤬
Or being a crank or ‘on’

noblegreenk · 04/03/2021 15:38

My husband tells me "stop giving out" when he feels like i'm nagging him. I don't know why but it really rubs me up the wrong way when he says it.

prrtnyao · 04/03/2021 15:41

When I was growing up I couldn't bear my father, who's not as smart as he thinks he is, saying "really?" in that sort of sarcastic, rising intonation.

Fucking can't abide that.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 04/03/2021 15:50

"You're not respecting my boundaries!"
No, dude, "I'm gonna leave shit everywhere behind me and you're not allowed to say anything about it" is not a bloody boundary.

Useless phrases from either side:
"You ALWAYS..."
"You NEVER..."
"I've said it 1000 times..."
Sweeping statements like this aren't helpful, ever.

Years ago I read a sort of "template" for constructive arguments and I try to follow it for all potential conflict.

◾️ Be specific about the behaviour that is causing conflict. "You're horrible to me" is too vague. "You spent our joint fun money fund on a ludicrously expensive Xbox game that only you will play, without discussion" is much better.
◾️ Concentrate on the behaviour, not the person. "You haven't done the household chores that are allocated to you" rather than "You're lazy!"
◾️ Describe the practical result of their behaviour. "You didn't take the bins out, which means we have no bin space at all until the next collection in 2 weeks."
◾️ Describe the emotional result of their behaviour. "I feel very taken for granted when we are both working the same hours and have the same leisure time, that you don't complete your chores. It makes me think that you value your time more highly than mine."
◾️ Ask them how they intend to resolve the issue. Be ready to put forward some suggestions that you think would work.

Avoid using words like: Always, never, obviously, clearly, allegedly
Concentrate on the behaviour, not the person
Focus on a solution that meets the needs of both
Do as much listening as talking
Be prepared to compromise

So you might end up with an opening statement like:
"Kevin, I came downstairs this morning and found that you had left all of the lights on and the front door unlocked. That is the third time in a month. Leaving the lights on has cost us electricity for no reason, which means I can't afford to do XYZ unless you're going to make up the shortfall. Leaving the door unlocked means we couldn't claim on the insurance if we were burgled. So if I'd come downstairs to find the TV and laptop missing and neither car was on the drive, we would have no way of replacing them. It makes me feel unsafe in my home and that you don't have any respect for how hard I work to pay the bills. How are you going to ensure this doesn't happen again?"

I have used this approach for years now and the good thing is that it works in pretty much any situation or relationship. I've used it with partners, friends, children (teens and up) and my direct reports at work.

A lot of people say "Take the emotion out of it" but to do that is quite invalidating when you're dealing with behaviour that is painful on an emotional level. How, for instance, can you tell someone to stop swearing at you and make it meaningful without saying how hurtful their words are? Children, in particular, need to understand that their behaviour and words can wound.

HollowTalk · 04/03/2021 15:52

"It's in the past!"

EVERYTHING IS IN THE PAST!

AramintaLee · 04/03/2021 16:00

"Clearly we want different things"

That threat of breaking up just because we disagree used to do my head in. Fortunately my DP does seem to learn and doesn't use this one anymore after I pointed out how emotionally manipulative it was and that one day, I would just be like "OKAY BYE BYE"

wtfisgoingonhere21 · 04/03/2021 16:02

My dh will tell me to stop going on at him or Hel go out to which I always reply.

Off you fuck then Hmm

Or he will say whatever to try and dismiss the conversation that he calls an argument to which I then tell him whatever bak and then get on with what I'm doing

Sillysandy · 04/03/2021 16:20

Not my current but my ex used to say in a very particular tone.

'I understand."

Nothing wrong with those words except I worked out it really translated to

"This topic is closed, do not bring it up again."

One thing I came to understand - he was an abusive controlling POS.

ravenmum · 04/03/2021 16:23

"Maybe."
-- translated to: That's a load of crap but I am going to act as if I am generously entertaining the idea.

overwork · 04/03/2021 16:41

My ex used to say 'that's not the way to be overwork'. It enraged me every time, and this was before I realised just how controlling he was!

EternalOptimist7 · 04/03/2021 16:59

Incidentally, does anyone think “ banging your gums together” is disrespectful and/or misogynistic?

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HollowTalk · 04/03/2021 17:08

I've never heard that expression - does it mean the person's old and has no teeth?

EternalOptimist7 · 04/03/2021 17:12

It means going on & on.

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Dinosaursobsessedson · 04/03/2021 17:17

Ive never heared it but i can imagine its so annoying when he says it

youvegottenminuteslynn · 04/03/2021 17:19

@Pugworld

My ex used to say 'Oh I'm terribly fucking sorry' when he was accused of being a dick and blatantly wasn't sorry.
This just gave me proper rage and I've never even heard it before! Ugh!
youvegottenminuteslynn · 04/03/2021 17:20

@HollowTalk

"It's in the past!"

EVERYTHING IS IN THE PAST!

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