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Sex and resentment

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Glassempty · 04/03/2021 00:09

I think I need a bit of help unpicking something I've realised recently and am after some objective views. DH and I have longstanding issues with sex, we both brought baggage from bad past experiences and unfortunately I think we've sort of made each other worse over the years, resulting in the whole subject becoming something of a battleground. Over the last year or so we've been working really hard to try to improve things and it's been much better, communication has improved massively and we've made more progress than I ever thought we would.

Our problems have centred around insecurity/lack of confidence and zero communication leading to long dry spells and both of us feeling rejected and unwanted by the other with lots of resentment building up on both sides. Sex is much more frequent now so things feel better between us but I still feel like that cycle of resentment is there on a smaller scale.

What's happening sounds petty, and I'm prepared to be told it is and that it's me 'at fault'. DH showers in the morning, he works a physical job in a fairly dirty environment and knows if he wants sex during the week I'd prefer him to grab another quick shower before bed. I don't think that's unreasonable but he literally never does it, although will still cuddle up to me in bed and see if he gets a response so it's not that he's too tired for sex, he just can't be arsed to shower. Then the weekend comes, he showers at night instead then and I know he gets into bed with the hope/expectation of sex because (in his head) he's done what I've asked. But by then I've built up a weeks' worth of resentment because I would've liked sex midweek and feel like he can't be arsed so I don't feel in the least bit inclined to shag him just because he's deigned to shower for the occasion. It feels like it's 'expected' too, which turns me off quicker than anything.

I've only just realised that I do resent him not showering in the week, I'm always disappointed but I've excused it as him being tired up til now. But I do resent it, that I'm expected to 'fall in line' at the weekend when my needs are being ignored all week. He's definitely not too tired because occasionally I will overlook the lack of shower (out of sheer desperation!) and he never says no.

I will be speaking to him about it, I just need to be clear in my own mind before I do. I can see I'm falling into old patterns of poor communication causing resentment but is a 5 minute shower really that big an ask? Is it really fair that I never get to choose when I would like sex, that it always has to be the weekend unless I compromise on the shower? And am I wrong to feel a bit hurt by his (in my eyes) lack of effort? Sorry it's long Blush

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JamieFrasersAuntie · 04/03/2021 14:28

Historically the upset/offence would take the form of sulking JamieFrasersAuntie, he pretty much made it into an Olympic sport tbh

You probably know this was sexually and emotionally abusive.And coercive.Abusive people don't suddenly stop being abusive, they just change tactic.

I wonder if these issues with your sex life really have been a mutual battleground or rather they have been deliberately created by your controlling abusive husband. You seem willing to take some responsibility here and I'm not sure you should.

This situation is easily resolved by him changing the time he showers.

I also think your response to a poster calling you manipulative was interesting. It was a nasty gaslighting post and you didn't need to explain yourself to them.

Glassempty · 04/03/2021 14:29

He comes in, washes hands and face and gets changed or he would be nowhere near my sofa BuiltForComfortNotForSpeed Grin I don't get why he doesn't switch to a shower after work either Tryinghardfornothing89, he just does hands and face and his teeth at bedtime, it wouldn't even be so bad if he'd do pits and bits but even that's too much trouble. He reckons he doesn't care whether I'm clean or not, he still wants to have sex with me so I think he feels I ought to be the same. Which I guess goes back to the not being allowed to have opinions different to his thing I mentioned before.

I wish I didn't agree with your last post oil0W0lio but sadly it's something I've seen to some degree in every man I've ever been with, including DH. It doesn't manifest itself in a way that makes him a selfish lover, far from it, but there is a definite air of entitlement to sex in some of his behaviours, especially when he's made the massive effort of having a shower!

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rhowton · 04/03/2021 14:38

If I know I want sex, I'll have a shower before bed. If my DH has been busy all day, I'll ask him about 8pm, "if you go and have a quick shower now, you'll get lucky tonight". We are quite open and jokey about things.
The other day, I had gone on a long walk, so knew I could do with a shower. I said "I'm off for a shower, if you fancy joining me". Sometimes he does, sometimes he doesn't.

I think you just need to be way more obvious, and just speak your mind. After dinner, just ask him to run up for a shower, and then have sex. I find positive reinforcement works best for men...

Glassempty · 04/03/2021 14:40

I'm a bit afraid to ask why it was interesting JamieFrasersAuntie, I didn't think the consent/right to sex stuff was fair but no, I shouldn't have bitten.

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Glassempty · 04/03/2021 14:44

Tried this rhowton, I just get 'yeah I'll get one in a bit' and then he never does. I would think he was avoiding sex if it wasn't for the fact that he's clearly up for it at bedtime, it's the shower he's avoiding but I've no idea why.

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Katyy · 04/03/2021 14:50

I’ve never understood the need for a morning shower, especially if you have a mucky job. But you are spot on, no evening shower no sex, non negotiable. If you’ve given in previously, he’s just lazy and trying his luck.

Glassempty · 04/03/2021 14:58

I'm also a bit scared to address the rest of your post JamieFrasersAuntie, some of it is accurate but I can't honestly say I bear no responsibility for our problems, sex was a problem for me a long time before DH. I don't think I'm ready to face the rest to be brutally honest, I'm still in 'make it work' mode so I can't let myself think about that stuff, I know that's cowardly.

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JamieFrasersAuntie · 04/03/2021 15:04

It's not cowardly op.

In your shoes I would ask that he changes the time he showers so things can be a bit more spontaneous. It's a reasonable request and something he should do anyway if he is dirty from work.

Hopefully he will agree and the problem will be resolved.

BigFatLiar · 04/03/2021 15:14

If he works in a physical/dirty job then I'm surprised he doesn't shower and change when he gets in irrespective of the prospect of sex.

Tideknot · 04/03/2021 15:15

It sounds unromantic, I know, but could you decide with him on a couple of specific evenings when he will shower and you'll have sex. Maybe once a week you could do it without the shower?! I totally get why you want him to shower and also why he doesn't feel like it after work, but he sounds like man who is stuck in his routine, so if he can just add a couple of showers on specific days of the week, perhaps you could both be happier rather than every night becoming a will he/won't he dilemma!

NeedToGetOuttaHere · 04/03/2021 15:24

I’d be happy with the weekend showered DH. You both have sex, he’s clean, job done.

Livingmybestlifenow · 05/03/2021 00:31

If you’re changing the bed twice a week I’d just be telling him that he’s not putting his grubby arse on my fresh sheets. Job done.

Gil55 · 05/03/2021 00:34

No shower = no shag. Simples.

MorriseysGladioli · 05/03/2021 00:38

I think this is about so much more than the sex/washing issues.
It's become some convoluted mind game that neither of you want to even play.
It's as if your husband thinks that doing as he's asked is giving away his power.

MorriseysGladioli · 05/03/2021 00:39

I'm just throwing this out there.
You could shower together, maybe? Or not.

optimistic40 · 05/03/2021 00:46

I don't like showers before bed, because they wake me up too much! I always wash my bits if I'm hopeful though Grin

I can understand why you don't want to just do it on a Saturday night after waiting all week, though. Feels like he's rejected you all week and then you "have to" say yes to sex when he wants it or you won't get the offer again for another week. Have you tried turning it down all weekend though?! Maybe that will get him running for some weekday showers Wink

AnotherSunrise · 05/03/2021 00:58

Is it really necessary to always v be totally clean for sex? Is it really necessary to shower twice a day?
What a fuss over nothing

Italiangreyhound · 05/03/2021 21:25

I don't think having a shower makes you 'totally clean', just clean. If one or other person wants the other person to be clean, then yes, it is necessary to be clean for sex?

It really is not a fuss over nothing.

Op if your other half isn't willing to have a shower to have sex with you then I'd say it dies sat a lot about him, and his priorities.

EarthSight · 05/03/2021 21:35

@MrsBerthaRochester You are absolutely welcome to all the sweaty, stinky, unhygeinic men out there!

'I have a very high libido which again doesn't seem the norm on here' Hmm Really?? Sounds like you quite enjoy your perceived special status.

EarthSight · 05/03/2021 21:39

I would have thought he would find a shower relaxing to his muscles after a hard day, if nothing else! Is this the main issue you have as a couple because you don't really sound in alignment to me. This interaction makes you sound disjointed and awkward as a couple, as if you are pulling away from each other rather than pulling the cart in the same direction.

Glassempty · 05/03/2021 22:44

It's as if your husband thinks that doing as he's asked is giving away his power

Glad someone else has picked up on this, yes that's exactly how it feels/appears to me, he doesn't want to do it because I've asked him to. I'm actually wondering if it's specifically about not respecting my boundary (that he's clean for sex), I mean deliberately not respecting it in order to 'teach' me that I'm not allowed boundaries. That's a behaviour I recognise in other areas of our marriage, although it's the first time I've noticed it in relation to our sex life.

as if you are pulling away from each other rather than pulling the cart in the same direction.

This is exactly how it feels and tbh that seems deliberate on his part too. I can't seem to convince him that whatever problems we have are joint problems we should work on together, he treats me as though I'm the enemy and we're on opposing sides.

This is what I meant by needing help to unpick this, it's clearly about so much more than a shower.

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oil0W0lio · 05/03/2021 22:53

yes that's exactly how it feels/appears to me, he doesn't want to do it because I've asked him to
I'm reading this as a case of:
him Tarzan, you Jane
Tarzan does as he pleases
Jane does as she's told
Tarzan does not take orders from Jane and his ego is so easily bruised that any request feels like being bossed about by a subordinate, which he will not tolerate

TheStoic · 05/03/2021 23:13

Glad someone else has picked up on this, yes that's exactly how it feels/appears to me, he doesn't want to do it because I've asked him to.

That’s exactly what you’re doing when you don’t want clean Saturday sex.

He thinks you should want to have sex with him regardless of how clean he is. You think he should get clean regardless of whether sex is on the cards.

You both think you are right, which means without both of you compromising, you’ll stay at an impasse.

Are you willing to compromise on anything in this scenario? I’m not saying you necessarily should, I’m just wondering if you would.

Closetbeanmuncher · 05/03/2021 23:14

This is exactly how it feels and tbh that seems deliberate on his part too. I can't seem to convince him that whatever problems we have are joint problems we should work on together, he treats me as though I'm the enemy and we're on opposing sides

He sounds like a passive aggressive control freak OP. I would suggest counselling but I don't think for a second he would own up to the behavior.

Glassempty · 05/03/2021 23:22

You wouldn't think it of him if you met him oil0W0lio, he does a damn good job of hiding it (including from me) if that is how he thinks. That's why this feeling of not being able to have boundaries, different opinions etc is such a head fuck for me, it's so not the man I thought he was.

I think he probably always has been like this underneath though, I'm only seeing it now because suddenly I'm pushing back. I'm late 40's, peri menopausal and at that point where I'm sick of looking after everyone else and have started looking after myself again. He's not used to me doing that, I think he'd started to view me as his support person instead of a person in my own right so it's come as a bit of a shock to him.

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