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Emotionally unavailable man? Advice please

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CJBear · 02/03/2021 19:58

Met BF just over a year ago, pre-lockdown. Fell properly in love. Lockdown has accelerated things and been bubbled up at weekends since last summer. Almost all hallmarks there- progression, commitment etc. Haven’t had to push to define the relationship, happened naturally. Regularly tells/shows me he loves me. Lots of fun times. He is kind, loving and consistent in a very practical way i.e. would drop anything to help with a crisis. Says he wants a long-term commitment, and he seems happy with the relationship and the way it’s developing. For me, genuinely thought I’d found the one.

There isn’t anything wrong as such but there’s definitely a lack of true intimacy and avoidance of conflict. He tends to limit/ shut hard conversations down, hates big displays of emotion. Doesn’t talk much about his past or ask about mine. Often deflects hard issues with humour. We laugh a lot but sometimes I feel it’s at the expense of true intimacy. Doesn’t ask/disclose about past or present issues that have emotions attached. This does appear to be a pattern across his life rather than just within our relationship and I suspect lack of communication was the cause of his marriage break up. His only other relatively LTR broke down because she was too “demanding” (emotionally I think he meant) There’s been a few times that issues have bothered me to the extent I have brought stuff up. He does generally listen and make changes, but these conversations are very brief as he doesn’t take time to explore/fully understand and I end up clamming up and only saying half of what I really want to. It’s tangible how uncomfortable he gets which is teaching me it’s better not to say anything or at least choose my battles wisely. I feel shut down and also that he’s empathy-light. He has openly expressed views that any form of “drama” is frowned upon. I don’t want drama, but I do want someone emotionally available and quite honestly am starting to run out of conversation as I feel
so much has been zoned off. He sometimes presents things as a fait accompli i.e. “Valentine’s Day is “not allowed.” No discussion. I’ve tried to limit my need for reassurance, but I can’t help feeling that I wouldn’t be feeling like this if he was giving a bit more. Although it’s hard to revisit things if he has taken the steps to sort?

I’m also looking at making (many) more sacrifices than he is. We have discussed living together in a year or so but this would involve a relocation for me with all that would involve. He’s determined to hang onto his large family home which has an enormous mortgage and which he can’t really afford (he has to take in lodgers to help with finances which makes me feel I can never really relax at his.) This seems to stem from the belief that his girls still need their family home in some respect. Would make better financial sense to sell both houses and start afresh but he says he doesn’t want to do this for a few years. Still a lot of “stuff” around which is from his past life. House feels a little like his family have just popped out for the weekend. Not sure he actually notices this. But I do and I’m not sure there’s a lot of room for one more.

I can imagine growing old with him. I love him and he is a genuinely good man. I am happy probs 80-90% of time. But I do worry that my needs for true intimacy are not being met, that it all feels a bit surface level, that there’s too many instances of where I feel I need to speak up (with mixed results). I’m aware I’m dealing with a different kind of man here than any previous partner who was genuinely controlling and maybe this is normal for a bloke but I can’t help feeling that something is missing. I also realise that he’s probs not going to change (he’s mid 50s) I’m worried that increasing my “asks” for more intimacy in the wrong way will not end well but equally that my needs are my needs and I need more than this.

So….do I try to accept the situation and live with the limitations? I know I am naturally more anxious than he is. Or do I confront and risk the consequences? How do I even broach this given the way he is? If I did bail out I genuinely think he’d be devastated to lose me. This feels like a relationship worth something but I need to know how best to move forward.

OP posts:
Eckhart · 04/03/2021 16:45

@CJBear

Yes, news and politics.
Oh no. I was joking Smile That's what my ex did. Phone alerts to news channels, constant 'bing' 'bing' 'bing', had to look at every piece of breaking news as it arose.

If I tried to have a conversation about how my day had gone - not a flicker of interest. Not even any interest in talking about the news!

38greenbottles · 04/03/2021 17:12

No, no, no, no, no.
Just no.
Don't be one of those women (some of whom were my nearest and dearest) who kidded themselves that "all he needs is love and he will change". The men didn't change and it was soul destroying for their wives.

CJBear · 04/03/2021 18:07

I’m desperately trying not to be one of those women @38greenbottles. I know intellectually what the situation is. My heart is just trying to catch up. And, I need to be careful that I’m not demonising him either. Despite it all he’s just clueless, utterly clueless and I’m about to hurt him. If I thought he didn’t care I wouldn’t be agonising over it. It’s a straightforward decision in one sense but it’s also the death of something that we both thought would be our last relationship. As @Ekhart said it’s nobody’s fault. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t hurt.

OP posts:
MerryDecembermas · 04/03/2021 18:13

He's got everything all his own way. To the extent you're now afraid and backing down from trying to communicate with him or get your needs met. He has chipped away at you. The theme here is you trying to justify it all but knowing deep down it's not right, something is off.

He is not going to change for you or for anyone. He wants what he wants and he won't hesitate to use whatever means. If you walk away he will try to guilt you into staying and make whatever promises you want to hear. Nothing will change. He fundamentally doesn't care about your reality. Sorry.

MerryDecembermas · 04/03/2021 18:14

Disagree that he is clueless. He knows exactly what he's doing. He even told you he did it to his ex!

Sssloou · 04/03/2021 20:07

He seems deeply entrenched and I suspect he has got worse as he has gotten older.

Bids for emotional intimacy are a threat to him and he retreats further and deeper down into his shell at each request.

He has also built his barriers higher and deeper after each failed RS. Laying down the law re Valentines Day - I suspect that has been an issue in every RS he has been in to date - he is unable to adapt and open up - he gets worse - more rigid and closed - distant and dismissive.

That sort of behaviour is v painful to live with. He gets his needs met. He calls the shots. He is also patronising and insulting to your “normal” emotional behaviours - which is defensive and disrespectful of him.

Interesting that he can’t even evolve his living space - similar to the earlier PP who spoke about shrine to his 6 year old DD.

These people are stuck in the past.

Sounds suffocating, lonely and cold.

You are not emotionally compatible.

All of the other good stuff doesn’t make up the lack of a core emotional connection - you might as well be colleagues or an acquaintance.

I think I would have more warmth and mutual connection with my dog!

NotAgainNoMore · 05/03/2021 00:12

What a very difficult situation to be in @CJBear. You obviouly love him but are now going through a sort of semi mourning process because you know deep down that you NEED that emotional connection that he can't provide. Does he loosen up after a few drinks even? Or when it's a subject he's keen to talk about? Has he been so hurt in the past that he's now clammed up do you think?
Are you going to try and talk again and see if anything changes? Tbh, I think this is who he is and you'll be very unhappy and prolonging the agony if you wait around.

Reasonableperson · 05/03/2021 00:36

You sound over analytical and like you have been reading too much baggage reclaim

Beelips · 05/03/2021 06:59

Oh, what a difficult situation you’re in, I do feel your sadness. It sounds like this man cannot meet your emotional needs. And as others have said, chances are it will get worse as time goes on if you choose to remain in this relationship.
I second PP about reading up on attachment styles, the book Attached by Amir Levine and Rachel Heller summarises it all very eloquently. I actually dislike giving people labels but sometimes it is helpful to make sense of things. Your partner sounds like he may have a dismissive avoidant style. The book doesn’t demonise or pathologise, it describes how we all operate differently in adult relationships based on the attachment style we formed earlier on, typically in early childhood. Some styles just don’t seem to work well together and the book gives some ideas on how to make things work (not easy!) or alternatively when it’s time to bail out.
OP, you sound like a very insightful and aware person, you’ve rationalised it all very well already and I’m sure you’ll work it all out but I completely understand that it’s not easy and there may be some heartache involved.
Flowers

Teatimes2 · 08/04/2021 08:27

My relationship with emotionally unavailable man ended recently after almost 5 years. He never told me he loved me, we chatted like acquaintances really. I asked him how he felt about me after all this time and he replied he was very fond of me, that he always knew I felt more for him than me. Needless to say, that was the end and he left me broken hearted. He's in his 50s, many relationships but never married. I partly blame myself for not asking earlier. I felt used.

stoopider · 08/04/2021 09:07

It’s always good to check in and see where you stand. No point wasting life on someone you can’t get deep and meaningful with

JustAnotherOldMan · 08/04/2021 10:15

I can see a lot of myself in your partner, I also don’t like big displays of emotion, and I don’t see why the sellers of roses & cards need to tell me when to spend money on their products , but I certainly wouldn’t claim valentines was “cancelled” that’s pretty harsh TBH.

Also if someone was too move in ( not an ex family home)probably wouldn’t even dawn on me to make changes until prompted to do so (but I would probably move my motorbike out of the kitchen🤔)

Also I don’t like to think too deeply about decisions, I like to make them and just go with it

However in your shoes I think you should really push him to make a substantial change if you want to move forward, maybe push for him to sell the Ex family home and you both buy something together together, so you can make it “yours “.

But ultimately as a PP says he just sounds less forthcoming with his emotions than you really seem to want / need.

Sorry, sounds like a tough choice you have make.

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