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Emotionally unavailable man? Advice please

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CJBear · 02/03/2021 19:58

Met BF just over a year ago, pre-lockdown. Fell properly in love. Lockdown has accelerated things and been bubbled up at weekends since last summer. Almost all hallmarks there- progression, commitment etc. Haven’t had to push to define the relationship, happened naturally. Regularly tells/shows me he loves me. Lots of fun times. He is kind, loving and consistent in a very practical way i.e. would drop anything to help with a crisis. Says he wants a long-term commitment, and he seems happy with the relationship and the way it’s developing. For me, genuinely thought I’d found the one.

There isn’t anything wrong as such but there’s definitely a lack of true intimacy and avoidance of conflict. He tends to limit/ shut hard conversations down, hates big displays of emotion. Doesn’t talk much about his past or ask about mine. Often deflects hard issues with humour. We laugh a lot but sometimes I feel it’s at the expense of true intimacy. Doesn’t ask/disclose about past or present issues that have emotions attached. This does appear to be a pattern across his life rather than just within our relationship and I suspect lack of communication was the cause of his marriage break up. His only other relatively LTR broke down because she was too “demanding” (emotionally I think he meant) There’s been a few times that issues have bothered me to the extent I have brought stuff up. He does generally listen and make changes, but these conversations are very brief as he doesn’t take time to explore/fully understand and I end up clamming up and only saying half of what I really want to. It’s tangible how uncomfortable he gets which is teaching me it’s better not to say anything or at least choose my battles wisely. I feel shut down and also that he’s empathy-light. He has openly expressed views that any form of “drama” is frowned upon. I don’t want drama, but I do want someone emotionally available and quite honestly am starting to run out of conversation as I feel
so much has been zoned off. He sometimes presents things as a fait accompli i.e. “Valentine’s Day is “not allowed.” No discussion. I’ve tried to limit my need for reassurance, but I can’t help feeling that I wouldn’t be feeling like this if he was giving a bit more. Although it’s hard to revisit things if he has taken the steps to sort?

I’m also looking at making (many) more sacrifices than he is. We have discussed living together in a year or so but this would involve a relocation for me with all that would involve. He’s determined to hang onto his large family home which has an enormous mortgage and which he can’t really afford (he has to take in lodgers to help with finances which makes me feel I can never really relax at his.) This seems to stem from the belief that his girls still need their family home in some respect. Would make better financial sense to sell both houses and start afresh but he says he doesn’t want to do this for a few years. Still a lot of “stuff” around which is from his past life. House feels a little like his family have just popped out for the weekend. Not sure he actually notices this. But I do and I’m not sure there’s a lot of room for one more.

I can imagine growing old with him. I love him and he is a genuinely good man. I am happy probs 80-90% of time. But I do worry that my needs for true intimacy are not being met, that it all feels a bit surface level, that there’s too many instances of where I feel I need to speak up (with mixed results). I’m aware I’m dealing with a different kind of man here than any previous partner who was genuinely controlling and maybe this is normal for a bloke but I can’t help feeling that something is missing. I also realise that he’s probs not going to change (he’s mid 50s) I’m worried that increasing my “asks” for more intimacy in the wrong way will not end well but equally that my needs are my needs and I need more than this.

So….do I try to accept the situation and live with the limitations? I know I am naturally more anxious than he is. Or do I confront and risk the consequences? How do I even broach this given the way he is? If I did bail out I genuinely think he’d be devastated to lose me. This feels like a relationship worth something but I need to know how best to move forward.

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Eckhart · 03/03/2021 15:50

I think I would regret if I simply walked away at this point

Of course. My main point in asking you those questions was to work out why you might have the habit of minimising/dismissing your own needs. You're objective in any relationship needs to be that the other person is interested in meeting your needs. Obviously nobody will be able to meet them all the time, that wouldn't be realistic, but it's easy to drop into the pattern we've grown up in, and for many of us (including me, and, it sounds like, you), that's the 'oh, never mind my silly little feelings!'

You could approach the conversation with him by gently asking him if he is interested in meeting your emotional needs. You'll get a quick idea of how the conversation is going to play out. I hope he doesn't roll his eyes and say 'Oh NO, not emotional needs again...', but yes, you absolutely have to try. You wouldn't be respecting your own needs, otherwise.

MacbookHoHoHo · 03/03/2021 16:16

I married someone like this (without realising quite how avoidant he was of Deep Chats). To be honest, these days I just make him talk about things and don't let him get away with evasive manoeuvres. Not ideal, I know, but sod it.

My best friend married a similar man another Libra, like my DH, funnily enough. Is your bloke Libran? and she didn't make him talk about important things, so he never did. They're divorcing now.

CJBear · 03/03/2021 17:06

Ffs, he is a Libra!!! That’s weird! 😂

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JamieFrasersAuntie · 03/03/2021 18:32

Sounds like it would be worth reading about attachment styles. He sounds avoidant.

ChristmasFluff · 03/03/2021 18:46

He's not a good communicator. A good communicator doesn't put things off limits, doesn't take unilateral decisions, such as on Valentine's Day. A good communicator is good at communicating when there is disagreement. They are sincere and solutions-oriented - they seek the fair compromise through discussion. He is incapable of this.

This is the issue that will one day end your relationship, because you cannot freely be yourself with him. You are the one who gives up your need for intimacy, or your need for a demonstration of love on Valentine's Day. His needs and desires trump yours, and eventually it will be too much, and you will yearn for someone who truly 'sees' you, and values you as you wish to be valued.

The only question is, when will the end come?

Don't rush in, OP. Wait. Don't commit further. Be honest about why. He may choose to end it due to that - but really I don't think you are suited. With time, I think you will see that too.

This is the honeymoon stage, the very best it will be - and you are already unhappy for a fifth of the time. It only ever gets worse.

CJBear · 03/03/2021 20:15

Ok, he was over for dinner and I had an initial chat. It didn’t go that well. A few “highlights” from the conversation as follows:
Me... I can’t feel at home in a house where it seems like your family have just popped out for the weekend
Him..... don’t be silly X moved out over 3 years ago
Me....I would need to feel it was our house, at the moment it’s just yours and I don’t feel at home
Him.... yes well that’s because you already have a house. If you moved in you would have nowhere else to go
Me.... did you just say I would have nowhere else to go? That’s showing a staggering lack of empathy of what I’m trying to say
Him..... looks bemused

I know what I need to do. Thanks for all the brilliant advice/observations folks. Wish me luck!

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Mycatismadeofstringcheese · 04/03/2021 08:39

No curiosity!

No “what would help you feel more at home?”

No “is there anything I could do to reassure you?”

No “how would you feel if...?

Does he even know you have an inner life?

Mycatismadeofstringcheese · 04/03/2021 08:40

The assumption that you would be happy if you were trapped with no other options is mind boggling!

CJBear · 04/03/2021 09:18

My cat- I know! Mind boggling is an excellent way of putting it. It was out his mouth and I was literally like wtf. He meant it as well!! Literally couldn’t grasp the concept of what I was saying. A worry. Feeling more relaxed now, strangely.

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Mycatismadeofstringcheese · 04/03/2021 09:46

Feeling more relaxed now, strangely.

That’s because you know it’s him and not you.

Liveyourbestlife123 · 04/03/2021 10:09

I can completely relate to this post, I am lonely and unhappy but trying to put that into words to explain how I am feeling has been very tricky. I am almost 20 years into the relationship and can completely agree with others comments that it gets more difficult year on year!

I am currently in the process of separation, my advice would be have the discussion now. Explain how you feel now, dont wait. Interestingly, the responses you got would have been very simular to the responses I would have received although a slightly different set up. Good luck Smile

CJBear · 04/03/2021 11:34

Sorry to hear you’ve been unhappy for this long and I hope post separation you find yourself again. I def don’t want to be growing old (er) feeling like this.

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Ntwa · 04/03/2021 13:06

@cjbear I could have written your post, so like others will follow.
I've had some rough times with my dp.. Its become obvious that he struggles like yours that he can't communicate about emotional things, only to do with us though. Anything else is fine.. Family's, friends, life etc.. Do you find that?
We've fallen out about 1 issue over and over and have decided we're as a whole happy together and are working through it. I hope things improve, maybe list your issues and decide what's a deal breaker or not

CJBear · 04/03/2021 13:25

Hi @Ntwa
Yes, absolutely the same. That’s what muddies the waters. If we were to remain in surface territory all the time and that was enough it would be a great relationship. Maybe that is enough for some people? But if not enough for us then we shouldn’t have to tiptoe around topics in case it falls beyond their range of acceptable emotions.
Another wtf moment was when I asked (following meeting his family over zoom) if they’d said anything....fishing I guess but nice to know they might have said I was nice etc. He said “no, they wouldn’t say anything... we don’t do small talk as a family ”
SMALL TALK?? I don’t regard your family commenting on a new partner as small talk, that’s just normal, surely?! Small talk is talking to strangers about the weather.

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Eckhart · 04/03/2021 13:36

Maybe that is enough for some people

It is. It's utterly bewildering to me how anybody like that can feel close to anybody else, but it's not unusual. And of course you can't get them to explain, because that's beyond their level of emotional processing, and even asking them would be classed as 'fussing' or 'drama'.

Suffice it to say that we on the more sensitive side of the fence appear equally bewildering to them.

'Small talk'. Ha! Sorry, I'm not laughing. Well, I sort of am; that's ridiculous. A few years ago I had a relationship with somebody, which I ended when I realised that we only ever talked about my dog. I love my dog, so I didn't notice for a while, but then when I did, it became actively funny watching what happened when I tried to talk about anything more complex, emotionally. The avoidance techniques were fascinating.

CJBear · 04/03/2021 14:03

@Ekhart
Totally nailed it!! If you need to explain why these are not acceptable responses you’ve already lost the battle. It’s like speaking a separate language. No doubt they see our languages as equally baffling and funny. How anyone can be happy living their entire lives starving themselves of true intimacy is beyond me. At least I have other outlets where I can talk the hard stuff. Sure you do too. But this relationship is not one of them.

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CJBear · 04/03/2021 14:04

Ps only ever talked about my dog, that’s brilliant. And tragic (no offence to dog)

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TedMullins · 04/03/2021 14:18

I’ve been with someone like this and it was torture. I also cannot begin to fathom how people live life never thinking about or discussing their innermost feelings - I find self-analysis and talking things through incredibly vital to developing as a person and understanding yourself and others. It gives you empathy. Someone set in their ways who never talks about feelings is, to me, someone who doesn’t grow as a person. I’d love to hear from someone who hates deep chats to explain why they’re so averse to inward reflection and where/how they build and feel connections

Gilda152 · 04/03/2021 14:18

You're not going to get your emotional needs met with this man.
It doesn't take a big paragraph to say that. You're just not.

The right fit for him isn't you and vice versa.

I've been there and they get worse as you come out of the honeymoon phase where sex calms down a bit and with that the first flush of intimacy and pillow talk relaxes and you're left with an extremely shallow and fragile connection which only works if you don't step on any emotional 'need a chat' trip wires and censor yourself to the point you won't recognise yourself.

This relationship was mine before my now DH and I'll be honest and say DH can be shouty and have a (non-scary temper) when emotional stuff is first addressed, his fight or flight instinct kicks in first then we talk it all over and get to the heart of things calmly. He has somewhere to go from his initial fight response. Your partner on the other hand, has nowhere to go from his flight response does he apart from fight.

My ex was a f*ing nightmare like your partner now and it's draining and they'll not change, only get worse. Sorry.

Ntwa · 04/03/2021 14:33

Op need to read the full thread but your conversation rang home with me.. Its like they answer.. But don't 'answer'?! Like some sort of code?!
I also read your family part re zoom and found that odd, mines open like that about feelings, ours is limited to 1 topic, rest is great. It's hard to know what's bezt but depends on how you want to progress with him

Eckhart · 04/03/2021 14:40

It’s like speaking a separate language

It certainly is. I had people telling me 'Oh, you speak different love languages, that's all!'

I concluded that actually, if you don't speak the same language with regard to intimate matters, then you have a language barrier called 'incompatibility' Nobody's doing anything wrong, everybody wants the best for each other and for themselves, but nobody understands anyone else's methods.

Eckhart · 04/03/2021 14:41

I do wonder what his family do talk about, if his relationship is 'small talk'.

The news probably.

CJBear · 04/03/2021 14:46

Yes, news and politics.

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Gilda152 · 04/03/2021 15:16

Also, I'm a Libran and very open to talking about deeper stuff as is DH who is also a Libran so don't be tainting us like that ha!!

Welikebeingcosy · 04/03/2021 15:20

I think you've answered your own question with the word in the title - 'unavailable'.