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At wits end dealing with abusive brother who wants me to sign away shared inheritance

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Sadsiblingatsea · 31/01/2021 19:47

I have written before about my struggles with my abusive uber woke brother. To recap, He is a greenie who really walks the talk – a Vegan, cyclist, refuses to fly, a devoted father, son and boyfriend. The trouble is, he’s very abusive.

Many years ago a family narrative had been created in which I was a light weight - I’d had a bit of success in the media in the 90’s from my chosen career (modelling/media/creative) which I’d really enjoyed – and he was the sincere, saintly sibling and always scathing of my moderate success in such a shallow (in his view) milieu.

He married a woman who seemed to like me until I achieved some moderate success and thereafter similarly became scathing about my work and began organising family events excluding me. By this time, they had had a daughter (I was single and childless) and my mother, aware that SIL was tricky, went along with the excluding as she was terrified scary SIL would stop her seeing her granddaughter. Since then, I have never had Christmas with my family as brother and SIL always excluded me from the festivities.

Because of low self-esteem I always went along with all this as I felt my brother was a higher being – he extremely intelligent and sincere about his beliefs – and accepted his scathing put downs as my due.

He said he had a problem’ with me working for a certain network, which I thought was fine coming from him, a middle aged man who has never earned a penny in his life, a Vegan who lives off a family trust fund which comes from the meat business. He once called me up to say my first novel was shite’ and was so abusive I came down with bronchitis with the horror of it.

But things came to a head 6 years ago. I’d been in a physically, verbally and financially abusive relationship for 10 years which I felt unable to leave (having no family or RL support). One night, the abuse became so much that I took an overdose of sleeping pills and plunged into the sea to drown. I was pulled out sometime later that night unconscious and survived.

I called my brother when I came round as I literally had no one else to call. He seemed sympathetic but I didn’t hear from him for 2 months. Then he called to ask if he could borrow 50k. The next time I saw him was with my father. At this meeting he started discussing my father’s travel arrangements to my niece’s 21st – he didn’t invite me. Because I was so depressed this cut me to the bone.

Realising my brother was a bit of a shit, despite his saintly demeanour, I went low contact for a few years and felt much better for it. While respecting his principles in how he lives his life, I felt I’d been duped by him. He’d once admitted that he suffered from sibling rivalry (whereas he was my late mother’s favourite he has a very difficult relationship with my father who prefers me a bit). He once admitted that when my father gives his daughter attention he feels envious.

During the years of low contact he would send me lovely birthday cards saying that he `missed me’ and how he hoped for a rapprochement. He had divorced his wife and now had a very nice girlfriend. She got in touch and we shared messages on FB – after the abusive SIL this was music to my ears. Perhaps at last I might have a family.

I decided to give my brother another chance. I thought he had changed. As he had suggested meeting up I made a few suggestions which he batted off.

In June I met up with my elderly father – while I may be the favourite he isn’t easy these days. He was drinking a lot and said something very mean to me, which came as a shock as while I knew he had that side to him, I hadn’t seen it directed at me. I called my brother up the next day to commiserate – unfortunately I know my father is like that with him. Over the years, I’ve always tried to protect my brother’s views and lifestyle to my uber capitalist father – having a Vegan meal with him when we all met for a meal so he wouldn’t feel the odd one out, for example. We had a nice chat about it.

But a few weeks later, my brother said he’d been with my father and a friend and they’d all agreed that I’d overreacted to my father’s comment. My brother said he thought it best not to say anything. Later I thought, again he is throwing me down the swanny in order to preserve his own relationship with my father and make him look good – if that had been me I’d have said, well, maybe she has a point and had a discussion.

Fast forward, years later. I’m doing well, much happier for being low contact with brother. However, we inherited 19 acres of land 10 years ago, which he persuaded me (before our relationship broke down) to let an environmental group use 2 acres of to turn into a community garden. We became friendly with the group and mutually decided not to have a tenancy agreement. At first it worked well but in recent years, the group we knew have left and another group have taken over. They have erected draconian fencing without our consent, installed huge gates and constantly change the code, not bothering to tell us. The thoughtlessness is galling and as an environmentalist, I am concerned about the implication of fencing for wildlife.

And then the leader of the group, who I’ve never met and who has never contacted us before, suddenly emails us both asking if we will agree to a 7 year land tenancy for the entire 19 acres. Apparently the Council will give them a grant to build a structure on the land for meetings and educational purposes but only if they have a tenancy – I guess the Council don’t want to donate money if my brother and I decide to move them off the land, something neither he nor I have any intention of doing.

While I could agree to a tenancy on the 2 acres they are currently using, it galls me that they want the tenancy to encompass the entire 19 acres. My brother and I have managed the remainder of the land very well with neighbours with the help of a local wildlife trust.

Why is it that the more you do for people the more they demand? Why is it that no good deed goes unpunished? I would love to tell the lot of them to just buzz off but the community garden has been a success, and many people get a lot of pleasure from it. If only people would just say thanks so much instead of ignoring you for years and then asking for even more. It just seems voracious and against the spirit of the enterprise.

And obviously this means more communication with my brother. I spoke to him last spring at the start of the pandemic and he was so angry and abusive, complaining his life was `full of lack’ despite having enough money not to have to work, a nice girlfriend, good health and a great image as a saintly benefactor. I am on my own and have had mental health problems, he had me in tears and I had suicidal thoughts again. Nobody knows what a complete shit he is. Having to deal with him causes mental anguish which I thought I had left behind.

I just want to be free of him and the demands of his environmental cronies who want to take over our land. I will work it out but I am just so disappointed in human nature.

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MondayYogurt · 31/01/2021 22:01

I am so cynical about `do gooder' type people.

I say this with only benign intentions but, be cynical of everyone. As you say you're in therapy I can only hope you are learning to protect yourself better and coming to understand how you got into this situation.

You will never be able to out-good someone who uses it as a tool of oppression. You can only be true to yourself and your morals. Time to use a good lawyer.

thecatfromjapan · 31/01/2021 22:13

I agree with Heyha.

Surely there must be a way to insist you can sell? Then he can either buy you out or you sell and get half the money each.

Honestly, you still sound brainwashed by a completely dysfunctional family - looking for live and approbation from people who really aren't going to give it, even though the rational part of your brain knows they don't even like you.

When there is a part of you that you know leads to self-undoing, poor decisions, and self-destructive behaviour, you have to consciously decide to side with your rational side - and fight for your self. Or your life becomes something you passively allow to be destroyed.

So, get fighting.

Your brother doesn't have your interests at heart - you really need to get some distance.

See about selling your share of the land - there must be a way to force that.

And spend some of the money on counselling.

thecatfromjapan · 31/01/2021 22:17

There are plenty of great green groups out there. And plenty of 'do-gooders' with integrity.

But your relationship with your brother and the rest of the family is crap. All of them. And you are not going to fix them.

The ridiculous situation with the land needs to be stopped - by you.

It'll be a good thing. You've nothing to lose.

Minnie6078 · 31/01/2021 22:19

All dealings between the 2 of you to be done via solicitor he sounds completely narcissistic, toxic and doesn't have your best interests at heart. Stand up for yourself and put yourself first. No more chances he isn't bringing anything positive to your life. Sometimes we do badly want to have relationships with family members but they just don't work out and it's for the best to cut them off.

GreenlandTheMovie · 31/01/2021 22:28

I think you should get a solicitor who will act on your behalf and give you good advice.

In fact, anything you sign will be open to challenge in the future if you don't get independent legal advice. You and your brother should be separately represented.

springdale1 · 31/01/2021 22:28

I would get the original two acres onto a tenancy as soon as possible. If they take the whole amount they can claim subsidies, previously about £100 per acre minimum plus any other schemes like Entry Level Stewardship.

Land law is very complex and you risk being stuck in a tenancy you can’t get out of if you don’t formalise the agreement. You need a land agent/rural surveyor, they’ll be able to figure out your current position and how to go forward.

harknesswitch · 31/01/2021 22:28

Seek proper legal advice and cut your brother out of your life completely

Serenschintte · 31/01/2021 22:37

You sound like you Are on the right Track.
Keep going with the therapy and get a solicitor.
You can do it!

Krampusnolongerbabysits · 31/01/2021 22:41

Personally, I would get a great solicitor and evict that group from that plot of land for illegally errecting the fencing etc and manage it along the rest of the land. Time to kick back and take charge. I bet it would have a really good knock-on effect.

3beesinmybonnet · 31/01/2021 23:42

I think going low contact with an abusive person can just be an invitation to push your boundaries. I went full no contact with my abusive older brother a decade ago and honestly it's bliss. You don't need someone like him in your life - all they think of is how they can use you and they actually just add to your problems.
I would go no contact with your brother. Tell your father you will only see him without your brother and walk out immediately if he turns up. Don't let them guilt trip you.
I would take legal advice and sell your half of the land. It's just tying you to your brother. Insist on a fair price especially if your brother buys you out. Get a good solicitor and don't let anyone rip you off. If you keep it make everything legal and as pps have said get a good agent to deal with the tenants and especially your brother.

Taking charge of the situation will do wonders for your self esteem. It will also be excellent practice for the future if your father's health goes downhill and you have to think about care. You could end up doing all the donkey work while your brother issues orders, liaises with all the 'important people ' and takes all the credit. My brother tried this but I insisted all contact went through my husband by email only, and my brother just made a fool of himself. Good luck

MrsRockAndRoll · 01/02/2021 08:32

You sound like you are growing in strength- agree with engaging a solicitor & avoid your brother & any other abusive or triggering people.

Thanks
Lampzade · 01/02/2021 08:48

Get a solicitor to deal with land issues
Go NC with your brother

MaelyssQ · 01/02/2021 08:48

Time to cut contact, take back control and get the whole mess sorted out legally.

GCAcademic · 01/02/2021 08:57

I've suggested buying his share or selling my share to him but he refused.

Well, then, he is out of options, isn't he? End of story. You need to take legal action to evict these people. And, in the future, make sure you don't get pushed into things that you're not happy with. As you've now realised, you give an inch and they demand a mile.

CryingHelps · 01/02/2021 09:05

Give an inch and they'll take a mile - the whole lot of them.
Time to stand firm and do not sign a lease, if they don't like it, they can move on. Otherwise, you know what will happen, you sign a lease for the few acres, it'll turn into the whole plot and then you'll be asked to legally transfer ownership - it will escalate and you know it.
Your brother sounds vile. Go NC. You'll never get the happily ever after with your family that you seem so desperate to seek. Look within yourself for happiness.

billybagpuss · 01/02/2021 09:09

I think you need a formal tenancy agreement for the existing 2 acres as you need to protect your assets you don’t want them declaring right of ownership after a certain length of time. Also this means you can insist on certain things like no erecting of boundaries etc. However I do strongly strongly suggest you get a solicitor to handle your side of thhings as they won’t be bullied by your DB and you can then refuse any contact with dB.

billybagpuss · 01/02/2021 09:10

Oh and don’t let them have the full acreage your feelings are right.

NettleTea · 01/02/2021 09:28

with 19 acres they can get permitted development rights, which may not be something you are happy with. they will apply for a holding number, which will allow them to access things like the environmental stewardship schemes that are run by DEFRA. With permitted development they could do glamping/camping holidays for 28 days a year (56 days this year, possibly ongoing)
Similarly, yes, they can apply to put up buildings and go for funding for this - the questions arise as to what happens to the buildings when the tenancy ends? Its easy to see why they want the full 19 acres as there is likely quite alot of funding/money out there for 'non profit' groups like a community project, however you do need to know also that nobody is abusing it and making money themselves, as thats not what a community project is allowed to do (pay themselves)

lazylump72 · 01/02/2021 09:32

OP with the greatest of respect what on earth are you doing with yourself? You seem to me to be the very least selfish person on earth and it is getting you constantly shit on from a great height at every turn in your life.What about you? You matter.Your ideas and opinions belong to you and you are letting people,complete strangers with agendas of their own dictate what you should be doing.How dare they? And how dare you let them? Lovely lady you deserve some peace frankly and the only way you are going to get some is to say hell to it all and sort it out.There will be no legal arguments viable if you take what is yours rightfully. I am so sorry you have lived your life thinking that your brother is right ..he is plainly wrong an dgives not one chuff about anyone but himself,even his oiwn beliefs are funded by someone else and as stated he can be a vegan and a lose his morals when the meat industry inheretance is paying for it,,heis indeed a fraud and nothing more. His core pricipals are founded off the back of a good fund not becaause he is dedicated to any cause,if he was his morals would not allow him to use that money he would be off making his way in the world independantly.Look in all honesty you are a stepping stone to yet again enable him to walk all over you to get what he wants,,not what you want just you as a cash cow paying for his fraudulant lifestyle.He cares not one jot,This family of yours have ruined your mental health and not given a toss over the years.You owe them nothing, It is time now to live for you in your way in peace and happiness and you know deep down what you need to do.Start off as people suggest by taking control ..instruct a solicitor make your wishes known and make sure they act upon it soley in your interests.You are worth more.You deserve more than living in fear and being shafted at the whim of those who think they can,You need to get angry, and you need to realise you have been on your own against them all your life so be done with it.Make today the day when you recognise your own worth.Be kind to yourself and allow yourself to not be a victim of their abuse,control and utter selfish nasty wants.You have the power inside to do this,Yes it may not sit well with you and you will be uncomfortable as you have allowed yourself to be held hostage to their control bu thtats what you pay someone else to take care of for you.Cut all contact and take the legal route to your future happiness and well being,Otherwise surrender,,,,then what will your life have been for? Your legacy? You are not a ball to be kicked around anymore, Be brave sort it and live,freely ,There isnt a feeling in the world like it and its yours if you can just be brave enough to say enough and walk away, I wish you well.

IdblowJonSnow · 01/02/2021 09:32

Cut contact.
Solicitor.
Therapy.

Timeforatincture · 01/02/2021 10:20

Di you get your £50,000 back?

Sadsiblingatsea · 01/02/2021 10:29

Thank you for all your considered and helpful posts and for your kind words @lazylump72.
I really posted to let off steam as I know the whole thing is ludicrous.

I’ve spent the last few years disentangling myself from these sort of situations with cheeky fuckers and this is the last one.

I may agree to a tenancy on the 2 acres as they are in situ already but definitely not the rest of the land. Someone mentioned they’ll be applying for whatever land grant scheme replaces the subsidy system - I must ask the Wildlife Trust helping us, if they have any idea what’s coming down the line. I’d rather split it with my brother for our own pet schemes as heaven knows what they’d use it for.

But saying that, the Community Garden is lovely and well run, there are compost loos, bee hives, wild flowers, poly tunnels etc. They do stuff with young people and various groups so it is creating value.

As for my brother, I haven’t seen him for over 3 years and have no intention of seeing or speaking to him again. I suppose I shall have to when our father dies but will face that when it comes.

There’s an old John Lennon song with a line that goes something like, ‘loves humanity but hates people’ which just about sums him up.

The most galling thing is that his emails to them are so gushy and full of pointless exclamation marks to prove what a great fun guy he is - what I call his ‘umble landowner’ shtick.

He edited the tenancy agreement (that hasn’t been agreed yet) so that it was ‘gender neutral’.

The woke misogynist hiding in plain sight.

OP posts:
Sadsiblingatsea · 01/02/2021 10:30

@Timeforatincture I refused to lend it to him so he went elsewhere!

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TheSandgroper · 01/02/2021 11:29

If you have a look at landlordzone under agricultural tenancies, you will be convinced to go to a specialist agricultural lawyer. Good luck.

springdale1 · 01/02/2021 13:06

Please get a land agent to read over the tenancy agreement before you sign in! If you aren’t careful you could end up creating an indefinite tenancy that you’ll be hard pressed to ever get out of.

I’m a land agent, surveyors who specialise in land management - look at firms like Savills, Fisher German, Carter Jonas or independents. I spent four years at uni studying agricultural law and write such agreements for a living. Alternatively a specialist solicitor like Burges Salmon.

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