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A MIL and DH one

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Summertime2 · 29/01/2021 10:58

My MIL is on her own, in her 80s and has always been "difficult" and an unhappy person. Rude to strangers, racist, complains about whatever she is offered food wise when she visits, often gets into conflict with people she meets and insults them, refuses to wear a mask when she shops, the list just goes on and on. Whenever she speaks to DH she says how miserable and lonely she is. We have been seeing her regularly throughout lockdown, once a week/once a fortnight sometimes more. My DH feels very guilty about her being unhappy but finds her very difficult to be around as she is always so negative, rude and hostile. I have encouraged him over the last year to invite her over more often and be pleasant to her while she is here (often they just end up sniping at each other).

She came round 3 weeks ago for lunch and as soon as she arrived started being really, really horribly racist. It came out of nowhere. I couldn't even write here the things she was saying. Although she's always been racist this was in a new league of awfulness. I very calmly said that while we understood that she was lonely and wanted to welcome her, I wouldn't accept anyone speaking like that in my home, that those views were simply not acceptable. She had to understand that she would not be welcome here if she spoke like that. She laughed in my face and told me I was "peculiar".

We haven't seen her since. Apparently my DH has spoken to her and told her she ought to apologise but she refuses and doesn't see why she should.

This morning my DH announced her has invited her round for lunch tomorrow. Didn't check with me. I feel as though her being so unpleasant is just being swept under the carpet.

His position is that she is his mother, she's alone and unhappy and he has a responsibility to her so he has to see her despite not really wanting to. He feels VERY sorry for himself that he has this burden in his life and that is all he can really see. And I do get that. We are talking about an elderly woman on her own. She is his mother. And things are so much harder in lockdown.

But I am really struggling with the powerlessness of having someone in my home whether I like it or not who is both personally unpleasant to me and poisonous in her views.

Don't really know what to do. I could put my foot down and say she's not coming. But as my DH makes very clear - that just punishes him because he has to then drive to see her.

I'm thinking I may just absent myself and take the dog for a walk but don't really want to get into a situation where I feel I have to leave my own home every week to avoid her.

As context I had a step mother who was very cruel to me when I was a child and when I got upset my DF would just tell me how difficult the situation was for him and how he had told her not to behave like that but she just wouldn't listen and how difficult to was for him. The parallels I think are affecting me but when I told DH that he hit the roof and got really angry.

Any advice?

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Chatterpie · 29/01/2021 11:03

Can't you just leave the house for the duration of her visit?

Are you not in lockdown where you live?

MMmomDD · 29/01/2021 11:10

OP - I think you are transferring your issues and hurts from your step-mother to your relationship with your MIL. And that must be difficult for your H to handle, as the situation with his mother is hard for him as is and you are adding to it.

You must realise that he can’t change her in her old age. And she is his mother and it’s lockdown.
So - she is racist. And I assume you are all white - so this only affects you in some general sense of being wrong in principe.
In reality - it can be any other difference in politics, or religion, or opinion a in anything really - that you can easily just ignore and not pay attention to.
MIL won’t be around for that much longer anyway. But the guilt your H would feel if you make his relationship with her even more strained - isn’t really with it.

Summertime2 · 29/01/2021 11:14

@Chatterpie yes, I could just go out. Maybe the best thing. We are in lockdown. But MIL is in our bubble. She's also decided she is in BIL's bubble but she doesn't like rules...

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Summertime2 · 29/01/2021 11:15

@MMmomDD You are sensible. I have ignored the racism in the past but this was a new level of abhorrent. And she was also directly unpleasant to me too. But I hear what you are saying - she wont change now.

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Mamagotskills · 29/01/2021 11:18

Can he go and visit her? Take lunch with him? You shouldn’t have to be uncomfortable in your own home

Hoppinggreen · 29/01/2021 11:19

Leave her for your DH to deal with, while pointing out that she shouldn’t even be there due to lockdown (if she is also visiting BIL)
You don’t even have to go out, you can go in a different room, either when she arrives or if you feel a bit more tolerant wait until she starts being vile and say “I am not listening to this” and leave the room
As for not being affected by it because you are white? That’s rubbish, listening to racist claptrap isn’t nice whatever colour you are

Summertime2 · 29/01/2021 11:22

The racist stuff does affect me despite the fact that I am white. It's truly offensive hate speech. It goes against everything I believe. I don't want to be a person that suggests in any way to my children or anyone that those kind of views are acceptable.

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CostaDelCovid · 29/01/2021 11:23

What a vile woman! Just because she's 80 doesn't mean you should have to put up with it! Either ban her from the house or give her a bloody good telling off.

Banning her from the house is not punishing your DH as he is the one choosing to go see her.

Do NOT allow yourself to be extracted from your own house! Thanks

CostaDelCovid · 29/01/2021 11:24

@Summertime2

The racist stuff does affect me despite the fact that I am white. It's truly offensive hate speech. It goes against everything I believe. I don't want to be a person that suggests in any way to my children or anyone that those kind of views are acceptable.
So you allow this vile bigot to spend time around your children?? ShockShockShockShockShockShock
CostaDelCovid · 29/01/2021 11:25

And you're considering leaving them alone with her?!?!?! Sad

Summertime2 · 29/01/2021 11:27

I think they are old enough to be just as horrified. In fact if DD who is 15 hears any of it she will lose the plot.

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Summertime2 · 29/01/2021 11:28

I also suspect that even though she refuses to apologise she knows deep down that if she pushes it any further I will actually ban her from the house. Or maybe not.

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RainingBatsAndFrogs · 29/01/2021 11:30

Very difficult, OP.

It would have been more helpful has your DH been more empathetic to you reflecting on your relationship with your SM, but rather than looking at your position of helplessness in that situation he has taken it as a criticism of his role and taken it v personally.

Your MIL sounds very horrible and difficult. You don't have to like her. You are not at her mercy in the same way as you were as a child. You can maybe take a step back and observe her behaviour as if from a distance - imagine you are a presenter on Springwatch or Winterwatch observing some unattractive creature eating its prey. Not nice to see, you don't have to like the creature, but you are not involved, just an observer.

Also, you don't have to be peacekeeper. If your DH and she snap at each other leave the room to load the dishwasher ot whatever.

Have a list of phrases "I think we've had this conversation...did anyone see Winterwatch? Have your bunions improved?" "LOL I might be the wrong audience for this conversation, oh, I think that is my friend calling, back in a jiffy" "I can see that is your opinion, not one I share, oh no, look the dog has got the newspaper..."

Your DH is caught up in the complexity of guilt, genuine compassion and also resentment and dislike.

Beware the 'she won't be around for long' - my two most exasperating and toxic relatives are both over 90 and still causing trouble. We do a lot of smiling and nodding and holding the phone at a distance, and not actually engaging with it.

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 29/01/2021 11:34

I grew up listening to a racist grandparent.
Even as a child I knew it was rubbish and abhorrent.
My kids are not white - my own parent, brought up by a racist, is not at all racist.

If she is deliberately pushing your buttons and baiting you, even more reason just to ignore and walk away. Give her no reaction. If you ban her she knows it will cause friction between you and her son.

Summertime2 · 29/01/2021 11:35

I think I would find it easier if the visits were less frequent. Having to do the polite thing EVERY week is a strain. Especially during lockdown when I haven't seen my own mother for 6 months and there's not really anywhere else to go.

I am also scared she will go on for ever needing more and more from us. She's still pretty independent at this stage but getting less mobile and wont consider any form of support/sheltered accomodation because she "doesn't want to have to look at those brown faces"

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LemonBreeland · 29/01/2021 11:37

I wouldn't be in her presence. You can force DH to go to her, or you can go out, or stay in your bedroom or some other room away from her.

GettingThin2021 · 29/01/2021 12:05

Does your DH expect you to do anything for her when she comes to your house?

At the very least I would be telling DH that he needs to alternate so he's going to hers every other week.
And when she's at your house, the second she says anything offensive, call her out then leave whichever room she's in. She's DHs mother, he can sort out drinks / food / keeping her company.

If she is directly horrible to you though I would give consideration to banning her from the house - I'm sure your DH wouldn't accept you welcoming someone who was horrible to him into his home!

Time4change2018 · 29/01/2021 12:13

You need to tell DH she can come once she's apologised and aware she'll be asked to leave if it happens again plus visits are monthly maximum, anything more he can go and visit her and bring lunch to her. Your weekend shouldn't have such stress in it, not every week anyway

BosleyCharliesAngel · 29/01/2021 12:21

Could your 15 year old have an outburst and say something like "Granny!!! That's an awful thing to say. You just cannot say something like that. You were never allowed to say something like that. It's awful. Please apologise for saying it. Now!"
I'm just suggesting that because sometimes (just sometimes) it takes someone from a younger generation to pull up an older generation on their ideas and to put a stop to it.

I'm not ageist and my own mother is in her 80's and phrases that she sometimes comes out with now would have been commonplace 30-40 years ago (though really shouldn't have been as they were awful then too) but she still uses them today as that's what she has known. It takes a lot to retrain her thoughts and what she can say. We pull her up on them every time she says something that she shouldn't.

Also - why should you have to be essentially kicked out of your home every week? You answer the door when your DH brings his mother back and say "How lovely to see you again Jane. Have you come to your senses about the racist comments you made last time you were here? Good. We'll not be having any more of that awful talk today now or I'll have to get John to drive you home again."

(obviously Jane is MiL and John is your DH in my scenario above).

C152 · 29/01/2021 12:24

I would suggest your DH visit his mum in her own home. If his mother can't be polite to you in your own home, it's perfectly reasonable to say she's not welcome until she is able to be polite, and it should be your DH telling his mother this.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/01/2021 12:26

Your H is very much in a FOG (fear, obligation and guilt) state when it comes to his mother and that was something she installed in him from an early age. His own inertia in addition to his FOG hurts him as much as you and your DD as his own family.

Would you tolerate this from a friend?. No neither of you would.

Where have your boundaries been at with regards to his mother?. They have seemed until recently at least to have been far too low; why did you at all do this re them:-
"I have encouraged him over the last year to invite her over more often and be pleasant to her while she is here (often they just end up sniping at each other).

This was an error of judgment to say the very least and perhaps you are in FOG to some extent as well. Its no point in trying to be nice because these types tend to regard kindness as weakness.

Re her forthcoming visit I would not be around at all for the duration of her visit. I would also make it crystal clear to your H that you will not prepare or otherwise get in any additional food for her arrival. I presume too she only comes to your house because no-one else wants to be bothered with her. Such people like his mother have been toxic to others and otherwise abusive to them their entire lives; no-one wants to be with people like this. Not even her now adult son and he is only seeing her out of FOG. He perhaps still seeks her approval even now and this is something she will never give him. He is also far more afraid of her than you. She is not "lonely" but bitter and twisted and besides which she has driven other people away with her behaviours. Such people just want to rule the roost and dominate others like you two as her son and daughter in law, you're probably the last two people who at all bother with her. She will never apologise nor accept any responsibility for their actions.

Aquamarine1029 · 29/01/2021 12:26

The obvious solution is to have your husband visit her at her home.

NewYearDahlia · 29/01/2021 12:26

My MIL is similarly racist. And also sexist. And homophobic. And she makes these comments while she's in our home. It's wrong, yes, but I am guided by my daughter who attributes it to her grandmother's generation and points out that nothing we can say will change her entrenched bigotry. I've tried gently tackling the issue previously, but it just seems to make her worse. It's almost as if she doesn't like anyone to disagree with her and so will bang on even more to prove her point.
We have now developed ways of coping such as listening in silence, not giving any feedback on the comments, then changing the subject when we get a chance.

Santaiscovidfree · 29/01/2021 12:26

Take the ddog out. Tell dh to tell her you are having a socially distanced ddog walk with your friend and will be cooking for her next week your new chosen favourite Indian food..
She is welcome to eat with you or fuck off...
Leave it up to her..

AttilaTheMeerkat · 29/01/2021 12:29

Where is your H's father in all this; is he still alive?.