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Another one bites the dust...

39 replies

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 07/01/2021 21:36

Well, that’s another potential relationship into the friend zone.

Met him over summer and there was no spark. He was disappointed but he was a laugh so we both agreed a friendship was what we wanted. He lives locally and has a young child like I do. We bubbled up and have spent a lot of time together since. We take the kids out a couple of times a week, speak every day, go to each other’s houses for coffee and he comes over to mine at least an evening a week.

We got much closer in autumn and started a sexual relationship, but didn’t label it. I started to think we could go maybe somewhere and he made it clear he’d like a relationship too, but I had a niggling...

My concern regarding a relationship is he drinks quite a lot (a bottle of wine each night) then falls asleep on the sofa. Some days the smell of stale booze is quite obvious. I told him it was an issue for me to start a relationship. I’m not a big drinker but will share a bottle when he comes over of an evening. He claimed being furloughed and bored was why he drank but he didn’t have a drinking problem. Fair enough, it’s his life and as my friend I can accept it, but not as a partner. He knows this.

He wanted to prove that drink wasn’t a problem so suggested we do dry January. I offered to give up my vice, chocolate in support.

We’ve both done great. I’ve dropped 3.5lb and was really chuffed with myself. I told him I was proud of him and it seemed to be pretty easy for him. We’d talked about limiting our chocolate/wine consumption after the initial detox. It was a relief to be honest and I was starting to hope that at the end of January we could talk about a relationship. Until today...

He was due to come over tonight and he knew I was looking forward to it as it’s been a week since I saw him without the kids. I text at 6.30pm to confirm 8pm and he said yes, I’m still coming, but I’ve had a drink. I asked how much and he said just over half a bottle of wine. I told him no, he can’t drive after drinking. He apologised and asked if I was disappointed in him. I said I was disappointed he’d had a drink but also that he’d chosen the booze over an evening with me or worse still, he had planned to drink drive to get to me. He claimed he’d had a stressful couple of days and wanted a drink. I said he could have offloaded on me and I could have distracted him for the evening if he was struggling.

So that’s that. My New Years resolution was to have better boundaries and he knew this was a non negotiable for me as a relationship, so I’ve ended whatever it was. He replied a while later saying sorry he was a disappointment and has now gone offline. I’m assuming he’s started a second bottle and is probably asleep on the sofa.

I haven’t decided on the friendship side of things yet. There’s absolutely zero chance of a relationship now. If he can’t go one week without a drink and then chooses the drink over a prearranged evening with me, then he isn’t the man for me.

He has a significant amount of wonderful features, of which a friendship could blossom. He has been a huge support to me the last few months and I don’t want to lose that but it feels unfair if he still wants a relationship.

So wise MNters, do I continue the friendship (I’ve made it very clear that sex and a relationship are over) or cut my losses and walk away?

Thanks in advance and sorry it’s so long.

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FlamedToACrisp · 07/01/2021 21:40

Walk away. It sounds like you might be tempted back.

winterbegone · 07/01/2021 21:47

I think it would be hard to go back as friends, not impossible but you will always feel let down.

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 07/01/2021 21:50

I don’t think I would. It’s really made me think about him in a completely different and not nice light.

I won’t be meeting with him next week now. I need some space from him. He’s not a chaser so if I back right off, he won’t pursue me. Maybe it will just fade out.

I’m not upset at all, just really disappointed.

It’s the support I’ll miss, both practical and emotional

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LivingMyBestLife2020 · 07/01/2021 21:52

@winterbegone

I think it would be hard to go back as friends, not impossible but you will always feel let down.
This is exactly how I feel, let down. The kids love spending time together and I genuinely love watching them play for hours whilst we put the world to rights. Beats being stuck home all day.

Think I’ll sleep on it and see how I feel in the morning

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Opentooffers · 07/01/2021 21:55

Sounds a fair thing for you to do. As a front-line worker, who has started drinking more than ever - stress, stress, stress!! I have my bubble guy, who I drive to see (though not far). He doesn't drink, neither do I before driving to his. Its a really bad sign that you had a plan together but he f**ked it up by drinking. If you can't lay off it for an arrangement, you've got an issue.
I rather think your mistake was to carry on being friends with him to start with. You need to stop being friends with men you don't really want to be sexual with. If you try to go back to that, you will end up back where you started, give him false hope, stopping him from getting over you ( which is quite cruel really). But also, you could end up with him and dropping your standards, likely, just because of covid - I empathize, the changed world has made lots of people endure more, just for company, but alcoholism should not be one of them.

WiseOwlRelaxing · 07/01/2021 22:01

You overlooking the second bottle of wine at this point would be the worst thing for him.

I bet this is why the relationship with his child's mother ended (even if he gave you a list of her faults as the reason it ended).

I had a lovely boyfriend who drank too much and he was absolutely lovely but I think if I'm honest he knew that was because the amount he drank put him on thin ice as a default, ykwim? He had to be perfect to keep me. Perfect apart from drinking too much. And at the end of the day that is really important.........

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 07/01/2021 22:04

Thank you @Opentooffers, you are completely right.

He’s literally just text that he fell asleep. I won’t be replying.

I’ve worked hard on my boundaries the last year and what you say about lowering my standards really hits home. I definitely have lowered them with regards to him and I hadn’t even realised. I have lots to think about

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LivingMyBestLife2020 · 07/01/2021 22:07

@WiseOwlRelaxing you are also completely right.

I begrudge nobody a drink. Even a glass every night, but not a full bottle, sometimes more. That’s beyond my comfort zone and not something I want to personally fall into.

I’m glad I posted. Thank you for the reality check

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glitterfarts · 08/01/2021 00:37

Good for you for having boundaries and standards and sticking to them.

grassisjeweled · 08/01/2021 00:40

Just let it fizzle out.

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 08/01/2021 08:21

Thanks everyone. I’m going to let it fizzle and I haven’t read or replied to last nights message (I saw the preview so know it just said he fell asleep)

I have a really busy day today and he knows this. He’d asked if he could come over tonight instead of last night. I also haven’t replied but the answer is no. I actually don’t want to see him. I’m angry today that he’s let me down when he knew it was important to me. Boundaries in place and no second chances. It feels quite empowering

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CodenameVillanelle · 08/01/2021 08:22

You can't maintain a friendship under those circumstances. Sorry.

PornStarOvaltini · 08/01/2021 08:25

Invest your energy in finding someone who is prepared to put the work in to have a relationship with you. This guy clearly is not and it doesn't bode well for the future.

I think I remember reading your posts on the dating thread and you sounded so strong and clear-headed. You don't need this loser in your life. He has no willpower and will let you down again & again if you overlook this. Send a strong message. See what that brings about.

PornStarOvaltini · 08/01/2021 08:30

@LivingMyBestLife2020

Thanks everyone. I’m going to let it fizzle and I haven’t read or replied to last nights message (I saw the preview so know it just said he fell asleep)

I have a really busy day today and he knows this. He’d asked if he could come over tonight instead of last night. I also haven’t replied but the answer is no. I actually don’t want to see him. I’m angry today that he’s let me down when he knew it was important to me. Boundaries in place and no second chances. It feels quite empowering

Cross posted.

Well done you OP! That's the gal I remembered. Grin

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 08/01/2021 08:30

I absolutely will send a strong message if he messages me again.

He’s never let me down before, always the first to offer help and support. It wouldn’t be an issue if he’d cancelled for a genuine reason but he knows how strongly I feel about the drinking and it was him who wanted to prove he could give it up. It’s definitely a non negotiable for me.

Thanks everyone

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Jobsharenightmare · 08/01/2021 08:33

I would treat him like an ex. You weren't really friends you've only just met and have been in a relationship from the beginning really, just it was a slow burn. I'd end it like any other casual relationship.

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 08/01/2021 08:45

@Jobsharenightmare

I would treat him like an ex. You weren't really friends you've only just met and have been in a relationship from the beginning really, just it was a slow burn. I'd end it like any other casual relationship.
You are completely right. He needs to learn a hard lesson that letting people down means you lose them.

He made a comment a few days ago about me being too nice and forgiving (it was with regards to a lady I work with and my sons dads access. He commented how I need to have stronger boundaries, and he was correct) so if he gets arsey about me ending it then I’ll refer him back to his comment.

Thanks again everyone. I won’t be looking for anyone else now. I’m off to Uni to study midwifery in September (a very long time coming dream) so I’ll be putting all my efforts into passing my Access course and looking forward to that 😊

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Techway · 08/01/2021 08:47

I suspect that he has been on good behavior since you have known him and his issues with alcohol are more significant.

If alcohol means he can't honor his commitments then he is not in control of his drinking, alcohol is in control of him.

That means he will always be unpredictable, irresponsible (drink driving) and fail to take responsibility (sorry you are disappointed on me).

People with alcohol issues generally don't make good friends...he will let you down and that will happen more when he feels your friendship is more secure.

I guess you know now why his last relationship ended.

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 08/01/2021 09:01

I agree with everyone.

He grew up in Spain and is a chef. I know from my own family who moved over there (mum and sister) that drinking is very normal and social over there, especially in hospitality. It’s part of him and being furloughed for months has just exasperated it. It’s not a new thing that’s happened over a shit time in lockdown.
My sister met an English guy in Spain, they married and had a daughter. He drank too much and eventually drank himself to death. I don’t want that for me. I appreciate it will likely only get worse as he doesn’t see it as a problem. I however, really do.

I already knew all this but thank you for the additional reality check. Sometimes you can’t see the wood for the trees

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Babdoc · 08/01/2021 09:13

OP, I think you should make a clean break. Free your heart and head to look for a more suitable man.
The longer you muddy the water with this chap, the more you both risk being drawn back into a relationship, and the more mixed messaging you give him about the acceptability of his drinking.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/01/2021 09:52

I also suggest you make a clean break as well as working further on your boundaries.

I would also read about being codependent and see if this relates to your own behaviours in relationships. You allowed a person with alcohol dependency issues into your life here and those people certainly do not see their drinking as a problem.

Good luck to you with your midwifery course.

Inside00ut · 08/01/2021 10:08

He is not the man for you

You are right to keep your own boundaries

He choose drink over a relationship

Wanderlusto · 08/01/2021 10:11

...isnt half a bottle of wine like 2 glasses?

I think I might have to disagree with the majority here. He hadn't had a drink in over a month and had a couple of glasses of wine to unwind after a stressful day and you think he has done something wrong? Hmm...nope.

That being said, if you're not ok with him drinking then he clearly isnt the guy for you as it seems wine plays a moderate part in his life.

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 08/01/2021 10:13

Thanks to the extra posters.

A friendship isn’t on the cards now and I’m not going to see him again. He will always let me down and I don’t need that in my life 😊

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LivingMyBestLife2020 · 08/01/2021 10:17

@Wanderlusto

...isnt half a bottle of wine like 2 glasses?

I think I might have to disagree with the majority here. He hadn't had a drink in over a month and had a couple of glasses of wine to unwind after a stressful day and you think he has done something wrong? Hmm...nope.

That being said, if you're not ok with him drinking then he clearly isnt the guy for you as it seems wine plays a moderate part in his life.

It was 6 days he stopped for, which to me, isn’t enough time to prove he doesn’t need it. It was half a bottle before he was going to drive to my house which I don’t find acceptable. He’d probably have drank it all before driving to as he still had an hour before he’d set off.
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