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Another one bites the dust...

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LivingMyBestLife2020 · 07/01/2021 21:36

Well, that’s another potential relationship into the friend zone.

Met him over summer and there was no spark. He was disappointed but he was a laugh so we both agreed a friendship was what we wanted. He lives locally and has a young child like I do. We bubbled up and have spent a lot of time together since. We take the kids out a couple of times a week, speak every day, go to each other’s houses for coffee and he comes over to mine at least an evening a week.

We got much closer in autumn and started a sexual relationship, but didn’t label it. I started to think we could go maybe somewhere and he made it clear he’d like a relationship too, but I had a niggling...

My concern regarding a relationship is he drinks quite a lot (a bottle of wine each night) then falls asleep on the sofa. Some days the smell of stale booze is quite obvious. I told him it was an issue for me to start a relationship. I’m not a big drinker but will share a bottle when he comes over of an evening. He claimed being furloughed and bored was why he drank but he didn’t have a drinking problem. Fair enough, it’s his life and as my friend I can accept it, but not as a partner. He knows this.

He wanted to prove that drink wasn’t a problem so suggested we do dry January. I offered to give up my vice, chocolate in support.

We’ve both done great. I’ve dropped 3.5lb and was really chuffed with myself. I told him I was proud of him and it seemed to be pretty easy for him. We’d talked about limiting our chocolate/wine consumption after the initial detox. It was a relief to be honest and I was starting to hope that at the end of January we could talk about a relationship. Until today...

He was due to come over tonight and he knew I was looking forward to it as it’s been a week since I saw him without the kids. I text at 6.30pm to confirm 8pm and he said yes, I’m still coming, but I’ve had a drink. I asked how much and he said just over half a bottle of wine. I told him no, he can’t drive after drinking. He apologised and asked if I was disappointed in him. I said I was disappointed he’d had a drink but also that he’d chosen the booze over an evening with me or worse still, he had planned to drink drive to get to me. He claimed he’d had a stressful couple of days and wanted a drink. I said he could have offloaded on me and I could have distracted him for the evening if he was struggling.

So that’s that. My New Years resolution was to have better boundaries and he knew this was a non negotiable for me as a relationship, so I’ve ended whatever it was. He replied a while later saying sorry he was a disappointment and has now gone offline. I’m assuming he’s started a second bottle and is probably asleep on the sofa.

I haven’t decided on the friendship side of things yet. There’s absolutely zero chance of a relationship now. If he can’t go one week without a drink and then chooses the drink over a prearranged evening with me, then he isn’t the man for me.

He has a significant amount of wonderful features, of which a friendship could blossom. He has been a huge support to me the last few months and I don’t want to lose that but it feels unfair if he still wants a relationship.

So wise MNters, do I continue the friendship (I’ve made it very clear that sex and a relationship are over) or cut my losses and walk away?

Thanks in advance and sorry it’s so long.

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Wanderlusto · 08/01/2021 10:18

Ah right enough. Yeah fair do's. Especially if he intended to drive on it.

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 08/01/2021 10:24

@Wanderlusto

Ah right enough. Yeah fair do's. Especially if he intended to drive on it.
I begrudge nobody a drink but he wanted to do dry January to prove he didn’t need a drink. He told me the last break he had from booze was June when he gave it up for 8 days. Since then he’s drunk at least a bottle a night, every night.

The first few days he gave up this time he had shakes and twitching so that shows how reliant he is on it.

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MarylinMonrue · 08/01/2021 12:42

The first few days he gave up this time he had shakes and twitching so that shows how reliant he is on it.

Uh, yes. That's alcoholism. Half a bottle/couple of glasses my arse. Physical withdrawal like that does not happen unless you are quite far down the road (speaking as someone in AA).

You made the right choice.

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 08/01/2021 13:46

@MarylinMonrue

The first few days he gave up this time he had shakes and twitching so that shows how reliant he is on it.

Uh, yes. That's alcoholism. Half a bottle/couple of glasses my arse. Physical withdrawal like that does not happen unless you are quite far down the road (speaking as someone in AA).

You made the right choice.

Thank you and well done
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Sakurami · 08/01/2021 13:56

Even when I've drunk a bottle a night, I don't get the shakes. It sounds like he drinks a lot more than you see and he needs to seriously consider giving up alcohol altogether.

Regularsizedrudy · 08/01/2021 14:15

I’m sorry but I think you only have yourself to blame. If you’re looking for a serious relationship why did you continue this semi relationship that had no spark and you knew wasn’t going anywhere? You’ve wasted your own time.

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 08/01/2021 15:17

@Regularsizedrudy

I’m sorry but I think you only have yourself to blame. If you’re looking for a serious relationship why did you continue this semi relationship that had no spark and you knew wasn’t going anywhere? You’ve wasted your own time.
I wouldn’t say I’ve wasted my time. We’ve had a great time, done lots of fun things together, talked a lot, helped each other out. I wasn’t looking for a relationship and neither was he so there were never any expectations. It had just started to develop into something a little more and that’s when I raised my concerns about his drinking and it being a barrier for me.

We met online and both wanted casual. There was no sexual spark initially but his company was great. After a few months we ended up in bed and it was actually pretty mind blowing so we decided on a FWB situation with no expectations for anything else. If you don’t try these things with people, how do you know if it would or wouldn’t work?

I’m happy with what we had and I’m equally happy with my decision to walk away. It didn’t work out, just like others before him.

He was always aware that it wouldn’t develop further than a FWB whilst he drank so heavily so I never led him on. Ultimately he made the decision by choosing drink, so I’m at peace with myself.

I apologise if my posts come across as being needy or desperate for a relationship because that really isn’t he case.

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WiseOwlRelaxing · 08/01/2021 15:23

I dont think you have wasted your time. You have shown yrslf that your standard is not theoretical. You can act on your standard. It's moved from cognitive awareness to your gut

🍷 time well spent so long as you dont do a u-turn.

LivingMyBestLife2020 · 08/01/2021 15:27

@WiseOwlRelaxing

I dont think you have wasted your time. You have shown yrslf that your standard is not theoretical. You can act on your standard. It's moved from cognitive awareness to your gut

🍷 time well spent so long as you dont do a u-turn.

Oh I won’t. I spent last year dealing with heartache caused by my own stupidity and thinking a man could change to fit what I needed. It was a massive farce that I look back on with embarrassment of how silly I was. I’m never going back to being second best or lowering my standards again. I think I did start to lower for this guy but I’ve caught myself and put it right before any emotional harm has been done
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BuggerBognor · 08/01/2021 17:08

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LivingMyBestLife2020 · 08/01/2021 17:33

@BuggerBognor

I agree with *@Sakurami* I'm afraid.

There was clear blue water between what my father said he drunk and what he actually drunk. (The former wouldn't have rotted his liver for starters). The shakes DT's etc didn't really become noticeable until he was heavily dependent - more like a bottle of spirits per night.

I think you have done the right thing and may even shock him into detoxing. Flowers

You are probably completely right with the amount he drinks. He’s never told me how much (I’ve never asked) but he’s not the type to open a bottle and leave it half drunk. I know he drinks at least one bottle a night as a minimum and it has little effect on him.

I doubt it will shock him into detoxing but hopefully one day something will. It’s such a shame for what is, without the alcohol, a kind and successful guy.

I haven’t text him today and don’t intend to. He won’t text me thankfully as I’m too busy today to have to deal with it

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PornStarQuarantini · 12/01/2021 08:09

How are things OP? Did you stay strong? 💪🏽

Sunflower1970 · 13/01/2021 06:56

You are very strong and decisive. I don’t blame you for ending it on this issue. He might be stressed but I think he might possibly have a drink problem. You deserve more x

gutful · 13/01/2021 07:52

This sounds incredibly codependent of the both of you here, IMO

You’ve “bubbled” up with a guy you met online, spark isn’t there & now FWB - what right is there to control someone’s drinking ?

I actually agree that him drinking a bottle of wine a night & looking messy/smelling of booze the next day sounds problematic. Plenty of people can manage that much & still practice self care.

But that doesn’t mean you should be doing these joint couple-y things like “bubbling” & doing Dry Jan together like you’re a team

It’s like playing relationships because you want to be in one. In reality it sounds like you aren’t actually a couple & him having a breather at home so you can both have some space away from being in each other’s pockets is actually a good thing.

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