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Red flag? Fixable?

34 replies

BathFullOfEels · 03/01/2021 14:39

I separated from exdh officially at the end of 2019 although we’d been living separately for about 6 months before that. No real drama, just fallen out of love, no intimacy, decided it was better for dc if we had a good divorce rather than a bad marriage.

I’ve been seeing a man since about February although obviously been a bit difficult due to COVID. He lives about 2 hours away and we had been seeing each other 1-2 days a week while we were allowed. He’s really lovely and the complete opposite of my ex - laid back, funny, outgoing, interesting, really clever and talented. He also has 2 dc who he has 50% of the time. His wife left him 5 years ago for another man who she is still with. She asked him to leave and then moved this man into the house they had lived in (which had been his childhood home he’d grown up in and had been left to him in his parents will) the same day. He was completely blindsided by this, claims he had no clue she was cheating, thought they were really happy and had a complete breakdown over the next year. Apparently he lost 3 stone and his brother had to come and look after him as he was on suicide watch. He said he’d never really understood mental health issues until that happened to him and that he is now very careful to look after his mental health and make sure he does enough exercise, hobbies, takes time for himself etc. All totally understandable and he told me all about this on about our third date as he said he wanted me to understand his background.

He doesn’t really mention his ex wife much day to day. If he’s telling an anecdote about something they did, somewhere they went together it’s all very detached and unemotional. He’s not really had a ‘proper’ relationship since the end of his marriage. He said there was a woman he worked with and they got on well and would occasionally ‘hook up’ together over the course of a couple of years but it was never anything official. He hasn’t said that he loves me but we’ve both said we see a future together and right now we seem to make each other very happy.

But...whenever he’s had more than a couple of glasses of wine he just talks about his ex wife non-stop. How he proposed to her, how they got together, how he will never, ever get over her breaking his heart. He told me that he feels like he has to walk around everyday and try and live a normal life when he’s got a knife in his heart, that everything and everyone reminds him of what she did to him. He seems more fixated on the betrayal rather than on her, as such.

I have had some pretty horrific things happen to me in my life that he is unaware of. I do understand totally how he feels. I know there are things in life that you simply can’t get over, no matter how hard you try. But you have to learn to live with them and eventually you do. I’ve tried telling him this. He apologises and says that he knows I’m the wrong person to talk to about this but appreciates that I understand, he’ll just talk to his mates/ counsellor about it in future. Then next time he has a bit to drink he does it again.

He doesn’t often drink that much. Maybe once a month or so and he claims to not really remember in the morning. I really like him but I don’t know if I’m wasting my time on someone who is still in love with someone else. Or maybe he’s not in love and just hurting?

I don’t know, it all seems such a mess.

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firecracker69 · 03/01/2021 14:58

He's clearly not over her. He's pretty much said this to you. The truth comes out when the alcohol goes in! It honestly doesn't sound like he's ready for another relationship.

Shoxfordian · 03/01/2021 15:06

Yeah he isn’t over her or ready for a relationship

BathFullOfEels · 03/01/2021 15:07

I think sadly you’re probably right firecracker69 Sad. I have been trying to convince myself that he’s not over the betrayal, rather than not being over her. I guess they’re so tightly entwined it doesn’t really matter though.

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Eesha · 03/01/2021 15:08

He's not over her sadly. I get that it's hard to get over the breakdown of relationships but usually you can see that people have tried to put it behind them. You'll never measure up to her, so why bother.

BathFullOfEels · 03/01/2021 16:53

He never really talks about her as a person iyswim though. He talks about how much he misses having a family and having his dc at home with him the whole time. He talks about how he still can’t believe that she would move the man she was cheating on him with into his childhood home. He says that he would never have ever suspected she’d cheat on him and can’t believe she kept it up for 2 years before telling him. But he never talks about things about her that he misses - her cooking, her sense of humour, her company, nothing like that.

I’m just trying to convince myself, aren’t I?

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Eesha · 03/01/2021 16:58

@BathFullOfEels personally I get a bit hurt when my partner mentions exes and he hardly does! Your partner seems like he hasn't come to terms with the hurt, which is fine, but unless you have a thick skin, and a lot of time, this will be a long haul thing.

Wanderlusto · 03/01/2021 17:00

I think the way be talks is worse because he is holding onto hate instead of love. I would be worried that he might generalise this to 'all women' in time.

Palavah · 03/01/2021 17:02

It sounds less about being over her (or not) and more about being over the betrayal.

Are they actually divorced? Is he actually seeing a counsellor?

BornIn78 · 03/01/2021 17:03

I don’t see how see how this is fixable.

you’ve raised it with him, he’s acknowledged you’re the wrong person for him to discuss it with, then he does it again next time he drinks.

I call bullshit on the “can’t remember doing it the next morning” too.

Don’t waste any more time in this one.

inquietant · 03/01/2021 17:05

I'd move on. Don't tell him why. But find someone with less baggage.

Namechangedforthisoct2 · 03/01/2021 17:07

It took me about 8 years to get over my ex..... and then suddenly I was!..... so I’d say, no he still have some emotional attachment and deep pain there but if he can recognise and acknowledge this, there’s no reason he can’t easily move on from this, especially co wondering he’s already emotionally aware.

GeordieGreigsButtButtZoom · 03/01/2021 17:08

He isn't ready and might never be. I'm sorry for his tragedy but it isn't your responsibility to fix him. Women rarely fix broken men, but they often get broken themselves in the process.

Ukholidaysaregreat · 03/01/2021 17:13

I think he needs a counsellor. I also think he needs to grow a pair and get his ex and her new squeeze out of his parents home. He would probably feel a lot better if he righted that wrong. You said he has 50/50 with his dc so they would get the same amount of time in the house as they do now. I think the injustice of the situation is maybe why he can't move on. However you can't really help him with that. Good luck with what ever you decide.

Aquamarine1029 · 03/01/2021 17:18

Run for your life. This man is drowning in emotional baggage.

Bleepers · 03/01/2021 17:20

This is really sad for both of you but it doesn't sound like he is ready for a new relationship. As an aside, it's thoughtless and borderline cruel to go on about this to you whether he is tipsy or not.

NovemberR · 03/01/2021 17:25

I wouldn't waste my time on someone who was still basically obsessed with their ex 5 years down the line.

Move on.

Sainsburys800 · 03/01/2021 17:28

This sounds a bit off the wall but I wonder if he's a bit traumatized and that eye movement therapy would help-EMCR or something like that? It sounds like he just can't get past this. In your place, this would not be working for me and I would want to try that as a way of salvaging things, otherwise I don't see how you can continue.

HappyDays10101 · 03/01/2021 17:30

Hang on, you both have kids, and you live 2 hours away from each other? How would a ‘future together’ work? Are you prepared to wait until the children go to university to live together, or is one of you prepared to effectively end any shared residency that has become established?

2bazookas · 03/01/2021 18:19

He sounds very needy emotionally demanding and dependent. And he loves booze more than you.

You only see each other once a week tops, but at least once a month you see him drink enough that he can't remember it the next day?

I would be very worried that the drinking issue in your company, is only the tip of the iceberg and that when you're not around he is getting even drunker, more often.

Even worse, although you've told him the downside of his drinking is affecting your relationship he keeps doing it . He can't or won't limit his intake even when it's just for the one day you're together.

 Please don't move in together and inflict a drunk on your children.
EarthSight · 03/01/2021 18:53

Hmmm. You say he drinks like this once a month. Given that you've only known him since February, and that you live two hours apart, are you sure he's not drinking when he's alone too? You don't need endless cans or bottles around to get drunk - just pretty strong alcohol.

It doesn't sound like he's in the right place emotionally for a relationship, and it comes out when his inhibitions are down. It's awful what happened to him, and he probably is still not over the shock of thinking he knew his wife, that he could trust her, when he didn't. That can impact not only trust in others, but trust in yourself.

GreenlandTheMovie · 03/01/2021 19:18

Where does he live then, considering his ex wife is living in his childhood home that his parents left him in their will?

As if you would divorce and the house wouldn't be sold in this situation.

His back story sounds implausible.

BathFullOfEels · 03/01/2021 21:49

I’m pretty sure he doesn’t drink when he’s not with me. We randomly video call each other most evenings and he’s never shown any sign of being drunk at all. He’s also a total lightweight - whenever he’s gone off on his ‘sad about divorce’ rambles it’s only when we’ve had just over a bottle of wine between us.

He lives about a mile away from his old house - it was a house he had as a rental property but he says it doesn’t feel like ‘home’. Apparently when him and his ex split she said she wanted some time to think about the future and he offered to stay at the other house for a couple of weeks. Later that day she moved the other man in and changed the locks.

Neither of us have any intention of moving closer to each other, certainly not in the near future. I am absolutely adamant that I never want to live with a partner again. Seeing each other for a couple of days a week and holidays suits us fine, so far. His kids are late teens and his job can be done anywhere, I imagine if we’re still together in a few years he might move closer to where I am.

He does see a counsellor, although that has slowed down due to COVID. I’m seeing him on Thursday so I’ll have a proper chat with him then about everything.

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HollowTalk · 03/01/2021 22:12

To be fair to him, I'd feel exactly the same if I were him. How come she got to keep his family home? I wouldn't be able to get past someone else moving in and living in my home with my children. I really feel for him.

BathFullOfEels · 03/01/2021 22:14

Apparently after he found out she’d move the new man in the kids said they wanted to stay there with their mum. If she couldn’t stay there she was going to move in to the new man’s house who lived 30 miles away.

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Raidblunner · 03/01/2021 22:36

Sad situation but something's will probably never be fixed. How on earth his ex has nabbed his family home and moved her cock lodger in I'll never know! Personally I couldn't live with it, I'd have to burn it down and do the time! No wonder he's completely broken. Trouble is whether he can recover. A new relationship is often a distraction from the pain. My divorce cost me £300k + and I ended up getting depressed, failed suicide, got sectioned for 3 months so I can totally get where he's coming from. I couldn't think about dating for 5 years and then it was just a distraction. I wish you well but he's nowhere near ready for anything.

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