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My best years are over and I’m sinking thinking of the future. Please help.

30 replies

Collections11 · 25/12/2020 22:05

This isn’t caused by lockdown. I’ve been single 7 years. I’m 38 next year. I had a horrible pelvic infection years ago (relevant as I always wanted kids and in the back of my mind I think that infection could have fucked that up for good). I’m also too old now to realistically find someone and have a nice slow evolving marriage then kids. That dream is gone. I worry even at this stage I couldn’t have kids, lots can’t.

My sister gets married next year. She’s been with her fiancé 9 years and is very settled and much younger than me (29). I am so sick of birthdays and holidays and Christmases and bank holidays and weekends feeling like my life hasn’t really started or become what I had hoped.

Kids alone isn’t something I want. I’ve always wanted a family with a partner though. Ideally a husband but I let that idea go long ago. I KNOW it’s not bliss all the time and I know I’ve probably built it into more than it is but I just wanted my turn to complain about washing or what to get my DH for Xmas or who is doing the school
run. I’ve dated lots and had some nice short things and other abusive things. I know I’m ready now to commit. I just can’t find anyone. I’m fed up, the best years of my life are over. How do I form a future without this? Yes I can travel or adopt or change career or whatever else but I don’t want any of those things. I just wanted a family. Someone to go to bed with, to share the shitshow of a boiler breaking or just the monotony of daily life.

I don’t know how to stop feeling bitter and sad and like the years are wasted. I’m in therapy. It doesn’t change the ache for those things I’ve missed out on.

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rawlikesushi · 25/12/2020 22:11

I'm twenty years older than you and it sounds so strange to hear you talking as if your life is over already. So many amazing things have happened to me since I was your age. To me, 37 sounds very young. I don't have any advice - you feel how you feel. But all you can do really is try to open yourself up to every new experience and opportunity with optimism and hope. Otherwise what you fear will be a self fulfilling prophecy.

Collections11 · 25/12/2020 22:14

@rawlikesushi I meant my best years are over for the life I wanted

I don’t know what my middle aged life will be now, it’s not what I planned or hoped for and no amount of travelling or free cash or career development or hobbies is going to replace it. Knowing that I’ve lost that dream, for want of a better word, forever, is so hard. I’m just so sad about it.

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Collections11 · 25/12/2020 22:15

@rawlikesushi what amazing things have happened older than me? All I ever wanted was a family, and not one alone, but with a husband.

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whereisthejoy · 25/12/2020 22:15

I was just two years younger when I got married and now have a daughter, a lot can happen in a short time and I found that it happening quite quickly felt natural as we were both mid/late 30s when we met.

I agree with @rawlikesushi - some great advice there. It's good to hear you're in therapy, as your feelings are important.

I don't really have advice better than @rawlikesushi - you are definitely not past it xx

Collections11 · 25/12/2020 22:17

@whereisthejoy it’s been 7 years of being single so I don’t see it happening now. If I could even have a child which I doubt after the infection. It all feels truly hopeless.

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whereismydonkey · 25/12/2020 22:24

@Collections11 although you will probably at some point meet someone, I think you need to maybe try accepting the possibility that you won't and then building the best life you can from that acceptance. Marriage and kids is not the be all and end all and we all have different paths in life. As much as you may want it, it's something that cannot be forced and so you need to make your life as good and as positive as it can be without relying on external sources (husband, children) to make you happy. You have to get happy yourself. How you go about that is up to you. I bet you then, that is when somebody great will land in your lap.

TooOldforBouncyCastles · 25/12/2020 22:25

It’s hard to respond because everything I would say doesn’t validate your obvious feelings of bereavement for the life you want. I do understand how you feel. You will have 1) People telling you it could still happen 2) people telling you, you can be happy without that life

They are both right but it doesn’t help how you feel tonight. How to change that? Try and find something else to distract from this path of thoughts. A film, a book and tomorrow think on about a bigger strategy for coming to terms with it all.

itchyfinger · 25/12/2020 22:26

Gosh OP, my NCT group had 12 couples in it and 10 of them were 38-40 years old. And no, not all of them had been together for a long time. Honestly, I would never think of any of my late 30s friends as being past the age of settling down.

Eckhart · 25/12/2020 22:34

Not everybody gets what they want. Maybe you won't have kids, maybe you won't have a partner. Develop the mindset that will enable you to be ok with this as a possibility.

You have time for both, and other options (such as adoption) if your time runs out. You are unlikely to find a healthy relationship with a contented person, though, if you are bitter.

Validate yourself, and use this to strengthen yourself. Instead of 'I'm sad, I give up', try other frames of mind on for size. How about 'I'm sad I don't have what I want, so I'm going to try to find some novel ways to meet some of my needs, so that I can feel happier'? Or 'I'm sad I don't have what I want, but giving up hope isn't the key to that problem'?

Being sad is fine. Anything you feel is fine. But you have a responsibility to yourself to not let bad feelings over run your life.

sosotired1 · 25/12/2020 22:42

The best years of your life are not over... but you do need to be pragmatic about what you want and how you can go about getting it: if you want children, are you are prepared to get them without a partner? sperm donor? fostering? adoption? These can be complicated and difficult paths but some/all may well be possible for you. If you really want a partner, are you OLD? How else could you meet someone? How could your life look without children/partner?

You might meet someone, you might not, you might be able to have children with them, you might not. Who knows what the future holds. It is ok to grieve a fantasy but you have more agency than you know...

Kitten11x · 25/12/2020 23:56

Hi Op
Sorry about how you are feeling . Have you had any tests for your fertility ? That may be a good step to arm yourself with knowledge.

I think you need to take the pressure off yourself . Keep dating and trying but don’t make it the be all and end all.

I know how hard it is and I have been single a long time too. I know you want the perfect sort of set up but don’t discount other options such as sperm donor , adopt etc . Love can be found at any age also .

Best of luck !

rawlikesushi · 26/12/2020 05:12

[quote Collections11]@rawlikesushi what amazing things have happened older than me? All I ever wanted was a family, and not one alone, but with a husband.[/quote]
I know so many people who met husbands when they were older than you are now - first husbands, and second husbands because the first one turned out to be no good. My sister had a child at 40. I retrained into a career I love. I did an MA. I celebrated paying my mortgage off, travelled to many of the places on my bucket list, made new friends, learnt new skills. Please don't think that your best years are behind you when there's so much to look forward to, if you want it.

If you want a child with a partner then I understand the time pressure, and that you are grieving the loss of that life. I am not trying to invalidate that. There is still time, and there is reason to be hopeful, and the door isn't completely closed yet, but if it doesn't happen then there can still be wonderful things ahead of you.

Sunflower1970 · 26/12/2020 05:40

I think therapy is a good starting point. Mapping your life out and then feeling so bitter isn’t a good starting point for your next serious relationship. Working on yourself and your unhappiness is the best course of action. I met my now husband when I was 38 - got married at 46 and now just turned 50. Living my best life as a newlywed whilst all our friends of a similar age have been married 25 years.!!Open yourself up to possibilities - you might meet someone who already has kids - I did and it saved me a job.! Try and find some joy in your life - life is hard enough in present times. Good luck xx

tara66 · 26/12/2020 06:17

You might have had or get/got an awful partner/husband and/or children who were terrible with never ending problems, giving you potentially years of misery. You have only yourself to be a problem - so be grateful for that.

OTannenbaum · 26/12/2020 06:35

OP, I really understand how you feel I think. I am not in an identical situation to you, as I am slightly older (41), and a single parent to a teen following divorce from an abusive ex-husband. So not quite the same as being single without children - which is in some ways better and some ways worse, when you long to be happily married (in a realistic way not a Disney way 😂) with several children like I did/do, and you clearly feel the same way. Especially when your younger sisters keep popping out babies argh! I feel your pain!

Your post really resonated with me, I have a lot of the same feelings. I honestly think society has changed at breakneck speed in recent decades, which can make it more confusing and difficult to navigate when things don’t work out in an ideal way.
And that other people who are not personally in this situation of still being a single woman at this sort of age, when really what you wanted out of life was to be a wife and a mother, can find it very hard to put themselves completely in your shoes, or even if they can really, they may not be able to admit to themselves or to you that it’s all a bit pants really.

I find it so frustrating when people complain about their partners or children or pregnancies over minor issues, or joke that they wish they didn’t have a husband/children either or that you can have theirs etc. when you tell them how you feel. Or tell you that you’re so lucky as you have so much freedom and can do whatever you want etc, totally failing to understand (even though you’ve told them), that you can’t actually do whatever you want because what you want is to be in their situation... And all the time you feel that you are somehow deficient for wanting such unfeminist backward things as being a wife and mother, and what is wrong with you that you can’t be deliriously happy being single like everyone tells you that you should.

Social changes definitely feed into this as I suspect if you talked to someone about how you were feeling in the 1970s they would totally get it, as back then I think at 38ish you would truly be viewed by others as “on the shelf” and “past it” and people would be thinking of course you aren’t going to get married or have children now, you’ve missed the boat etc. and would sympathise with you in a way that people don’t now. The changing progressive social norms are great in many ways (like I am glad you and me are not viewed by most people in this way any more), and have opened up more opportunities, but they have also thrown everything up in the air to the point where you don’t know and society doesn’t know when is a reasonable time to give up and accept these things haven’t happened for you, or even should you accept this at all ever, and people tell you unhelpful things like “it’s never too late!” And “age is just a number!” And “You can do anything you set your mind to!” And although there is truth in the fact that it’s not like the “old days” in that there are now lots of divorced men looking for a second chance at happiness and so theoretically it should be easier than back then, annoyingly they mostly seem to want to date 21 year olds which doesn’t help you or me. People also seem to find it hard to accept that there is actually a bit of a pressing deadline for having children actually, you can’t normally just decide to put it off til age 70.. although of course then there are fostering/adoption/stepchildren/egg freezing/sperm donation/egg donation/surrogate type possibilities to consider - including the whole issue of whether to go ahead with a pregnancy as a single parent from the get-go and all the cost and ethical implications of these reproductive choices (some of which are only really choices if you are super rich). Life is so complicated now. Although I see you have decided against deliberately becoming a single parent so at least that’s one rabbit hole you don’t need to go down.

I’m think it’s valid to acknowledge your pain that you just aren’t where you had hoped to be in terms of your personal life/relationships/building a family etc. It helped me a lot when my dad (unlike all my feminist friends) said that it’s a totally normal thing to want a relationship and a family and not some crazy weird desire that I should beat myself up over. That most people want to have a companion in life and that this doesn’t make them weak people somehow. And that my friends would likely find it just as hard as I do in the situation I’m in despite all their protestations about wishing they were single etc, as if they really wanted that life, it’s open to them!

Having validated those feelings though, I also agree with other posters who have said 1. If this is how you feel then take practical action for example register for online dating etc. as all is not yet lost! But at the same time 2. It would be good to try to shift your viewpoint somehow to work out how you can make sure you will cope (and not only cope but thrive) if it doesn’t all work out for you despite your best attempts to make it happen for yourself. It’s actually a tricky tightrope to walk as you have to simultaneously hold some optimism and hope in your heart for a slightly belated but ultimately “happy ending” while acknowledging that it’s possible you won’t get your happy ending, not everybody does and somehow you have to be ok with that as you still have to live your life and you still deserve to be happy. All while making sure you don’t come across as at all desperate for a baby to men you might want to date (even though you are...) in the knowledge that this is understandably offputting to men and that many men will likely avoid dating anyone your age for just this reason anyway, just in case.

I think that’s partly what makes it so difficult at this age, at least when you are 58, no matter how gutted you might be not to have had children, in a sense maybe you are where you are then and know it’s not something that is going to happen, at least not naturally, and you are simply focussing on finding a way to be ok with that. At 38ish you still have this tantalising hope along with a growing dread of it not happening. And that uncertainty is psychologically tough I think.

I haven’t got the answer! But know that you’re not alone. I think that’s important. And know also that I felt like you at 37 and feel the same now at 41 (and I’m kicking myself for not addressing my fears a bit more head on and doing some of the things which might have helped at 37 and not 41 instead of moping around being miserable about it) - like losing the weight I know I need to lose, socialising more when we still could 😂, having the courage to try online dating and I also actually regret not freezing my eggs at 37 so this might be something you want to look at. I felt it was too late then and read all these articles saying no point doing it unless it’s before age 35, and they also still had rules in place limiting how long you could freeze the eggs for so it was tricky as I felt I’d have to get rid of the eggs at just the point where I might consider switching to use them via IVF than try to conceive naturally albeit at an older age than many. I believe this has changed/is changing. I personally was also anxious about taking the hormones to do it as I had postnatal psychosis with my son, and would have struggled to scrape up the money for it at the time too. So I’m not angry with myself for not doing it but I wish I had given myself that option, partly as I think it might have taken this feeling of intense time pressure off.

I also have the worry about fertility and if I’m hoping for something physically impossible at this point, as I have endometriosis. I think it’s a good idea as one poster said to get checked out a bit, nobody can ever give you a 100 percent guarantee but they can tell you if there are likely to be major problems. An AMH test can give a rough idea of how much time you might realistically have left to think about conceiving naturally.

Finally, I want to say that in regards to your feeling that your years have been wasted, I had a huge wake-up call about this when my brother suddenly collapsed and died last year age 37 from a sudden heart rhythm issue which was previously unknown. It was a huge shock and terribly upsetting of course, but along with this pandemic, it made me realise that you have to live your life and appreciate your life as it is right now while striving to change it for the better if you are unhappy with it. I do honestly think this whole thing of feeling that our lives as women are not valid somehow, until we are married and have children and anything else is a waste is “wrong thinking” which we have been brainwashed with as children in our sexist society. Real life is now and your life is just as valid and important as someone your age who is a wife and mother, of course it is. It is not a waste! But it has somehow taken me some years to be able to not only realise this intellectually but emotionally too.

I hope and pray you manage to find your heart’s desires one way or another in the coming years (and me too 😂).

OTannenbaum · 26/12/2020 06:39

PS you don’t sound bitter to me, just understandably upset that life hasn’t worked out for you quite the way you wanted it to (also can I just say when did a man ever get accused of being bitter, is this another sexist term we need to get rid of from our collective vocabulary?!).

OTannenbaum · 26/12/2020 06:48

Just looked it up and it seems so. So maybe stop calling yourself (and other posters similarly think about it) bitter. ravishly.com/2017/02/22/bossy-bitter-how-narratives-we-tell-girls-change-they-age

Glendaruel · 26/12/2020 07:25

I was at a similar point at 38. I made a conscious decision to accept the life I had and accept who I was and try to be happy in my own skin. I applied for new job that was step forward in my career, moved, a month later went on internet date with someone that on paper didn't look like a great match. I'm now sat here aged 41 with my new daughter in my arms. Life brought my fiance and me together at the right point, I just didn't know it till it happened.

ThisTooShallBe · 26/12/2020 08:47

What PPs have said is spot on. Let me add a hug for you OP. Plus a thought about ‘the best years’. I’m 58 and I would say my 50s have been my best years so far. I have a ton of energy, I am completely at ease with myself and I give no fucks for what others think of me. Looking back at my 30s I see myself tied in knots trying to match my own and society’s expectations of me. Now nobody expects much of me I am truly motoring.

@OTannenbaum, your post is so full of wisdom and insight. I’m so sorry for the loss of your DB.

Djouce · 26/12/2020 08:50

@Eckhart

Not everybody gets what they want. Maybe you won't have kids, maybe you won't have a partner. Develop the mindset that will enable you to be ok with this as a possibility.

You have time for both, and other options (such as adoption) if your time runs out. You are unlikely to find a healthy relationship with a contented person, though, if you are bitter.

Validate yourself, and use this to strengthen yourself. Instead of 'I'm sad, I give up', try other frames of mind on for size. How about 'I'm sad I don't have what I want, so I'm going to try to find some novel ways to meet some of my needs, so that I can feel happier'? Or 'I'm sad I don't have what I want, but giving up hope isn't the key to that problem'?

Being sad is fine. Anything you feel is fine. But you have a responsibility to yourself to not let bad feelings over run your life.

I think this is kind and sensible. Best wishes, OP.
Techway · 26/12/2020 09:36

@OTannenbaum, such an empathic post.

Op, it is natural and normal to want to have a family and partner so your sadness is very understandable. All you can do is accept that you will have down days and have some coping mechanisms in place (just getting out for a walk can help to change your mood). Don't lose hope however as life can change quickly.

Eckhart · 26/12/2020 09:47

Don't lose hope however as life can change quickly

This is brilliantly true. I know a couple who met when she found him fallen drunkenly in a hedge in a pub car park, as miserable as sin. She helped him up and helped him dust himself down, and their relationship progressed from there. They were both around 40. They are in their 70s now and one of the happiest couples I've ever met, they're like a relationship template.

You never know what you might simply trip over one day!

OP, I was thinking about how you said your best years are over. This is not something you can say with any confidence until you have had all of your years, and can compare them. If you decide now that it's all downhill, though, it will be.

Collections11 · 26/12/2020 12:02

Thanks for the messages.

@OTannenbaum thanks for the understanding and talking it all through. I’m sorry about your DB. I’ve read all of what you said twice and taking it on board.

Life feels bleak and I think I’ve come to the end of the road with trying to distract myself with other things like hobbies and career and travel. I almost resent these things a bit now. Obviously can’t travel anyway too but I’m just so over it all.

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countesskay · 26/12/2020 12:11

Since a lot of marriages end in divorce, there's a huge chance of you raising children alone anyway, so possibly reconsider that option.

Hugs though, it can be hard seeing others in relationships.

I'm on the other side I've been married, and then had 3 relationships not work since, sadly I just chose the incompatible man or unemotionally unavailable ones - which all lead to more heartache than joy... From the outside I'm sure people I know would have counted me lucky, but I used all my mental energies in trying to pacify them so they wouldn't leave.

Best of luck for finding a nice partner soon ☺

blueangel19 · 26/12/2020 12:36

I hope you feel better. May be embracing life as it is would attract what you desire. You are very young still and life is long so do not sabotage yourself thinking is all over for you.

Also, in a few years time you may be thinking differently. I sometimes think that not having kids is a bless. The world is very hard at the moment so just make the most of it. Live day by day.