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Stealthing. I have to end it now dont I??

76 replies

Adventblagger · 08/12/2020 18:40

I've been seeing a guy for a few weeks, we are both single (obviously) so decided we could 'bubble' together and go about it that way so we could see eachother.
(Before the covid police come along and ask how this happened..)
So like I said, few weeks have passed and we get on really well, he seemed really nice, we planned to have sex today. And did.
I'm on birth control but wanted to use condoms, i didnt tell him this as I didnt think it needed a discussion.
You go to have sex with someone, they pull out/ask for condoms, they get used, right??

Anyway, we got down to it, I put a condom in him and nothing was said, was all normal. I noticed half way through that the condom was gone, I asked him where and he said "it must have fell off" now heres the stupid part, we carried on after that. I guess i just thought that as we'd been doing it for X amount of without one we might as well, I was enjoying myself and didn't really think much of it as I just believed it had fallen off and as I said, I'm on birth control anyway.

It wasnt until afterwards that the condom was found. On the floor, at the side of the bed where he was lying, sitting on top of the empty packet. Theres no way it could have "fell off" and landed there like that, it would have been on the bed surely?? So, he took it off himself. Knowing I wanted to use it.

I'm really torn about it. I like him, my head is telling me is isnt so bad and that maybe it didnt feel good to him, and another part is saying it was disrespectful and maybe says alot about his character?

I know I shouldn't have just carried on and that doesn't look good on my part, but we were in the throws of it all and I believed it had just "fallen off" like he said.
I also know this doesn't amount to rape as he didnt consent TO wear a condom. I just sort of put it on without asking.

I havent spoken to him yet but will later and I feel like I should call it a day with him, but I don't know if I'm making a bigger deal out if it than it should be?
What should I do I feel really weird about it.

OP posts:
Bunnymumy · 08/12/2020 19:34

And if it actually 'fell off' he should have stopped immediately and opened another one.

Fairybatman · 08/12/2020 19:35

Condoms don’t fall off, sometimes they roll up, but that being the case he should have told you.

It doesn’t matter what happens now, how can you ever trust him again?

firecracker69 · 08/12/2020 19:36

That's really devious and very fucking manipulative. The chances of it "falling off" and landing exactly on top of the condom wrapper is extremely low. Please get rid of him. He also needs to know that this behaviour is completely unacceptable.

Gigheimer · 08/12/2020 19:37

A - condoms don’t generally fall off

B - even if it did he knew it did and should have stopped immediately as your consent was based on protection.

C - it is called “Conditional Consent” and is legally a form or rape (think Julian Assuage case law)

D - he’s a prick bin him

E - I wouldn’t be focusing on the rape element though and screwing your head up as it’s incredibly unlikely to ever reach prosecution if you did

F - I’m sorry you’ve lost the hope of something lovely from this mans shitty awful selfish behaviour

thegrassisgreenwhereyouwaterit · 08/12/2020 19:41

What he did was disgraceful and a massive abuse of your trust in him. Would you have agreed to have sex with if you’d known he was going to take the condom off. This question is very important. He has misled and deceived you.

It’s a massive warning of what kind of person he is, his integrity and respect (or lack of) for you. It’s a very big deal, although he would no doubt tell you it wasn’t.

DoubleNegativePanda · 08/12/2020 19:42

I was dating a man I adored for about six months. The condom "fell off" once, and although I was very upset, things happen and I let it go. But when it happened again, that was it. If I can't trust you, I'm not having sex with you, much less a relationship.

I was sad, because he seemed lovely. But really, he wasn't.

EvenMoreFuriousVexation · 08/12/2020 19:42

It is legally rape. (Highly unlikely to be prosecuted as such, but legally it is, whether or not you feel violated - thankfully you don't.)

I'd not even speak to him
Just block the rape, lying fuck.

KatySun · 08/12/2020 19:44

The only time I have ever had sex with a man and the condom fell off, we both had no idea where it had gone, and it fell out of me later on. It was with my husband at the time. I cannot remember what exactly happened, if he put another one on or we stopped, it was years ago now, but my point is that it did not end up by the side of the bed.

I am sorry this has happened to you Flowers and yes, I think he needs to be binned off.

HermioneKipper · 08/12/2020 19:44

So sorry OP, what a dick move. Sounds like he took it off during and is making out it fell off. The worst part is the lying - means he definitely knows it was wrong too

Dery · 08/12/2020 19:44

Your head can’t be telling you this doesn’t matter. It’s a huge breach of trust and a form of assault. And he clearly makes a habit of it.

I came of age in the mid-80s. AIDS is not the death sentence it was then but the only person I have ever had condomless sex with is my now DH. And even though most STIs can now be cured, some can’t and will be with you for life, even if they are no longer fatal. And some can result in infertility if untreated (because there were no symptoms). And you wanted him to wear a condom. So I repeat: I don’t think your head is telling you it doesn’t matter. I think that’s what you wish it was telling you. But actually you know better.

It’s great that you’re binning him off and making clear why.

QuentinWinters · 08/12/2020 19:45

Thing is, this is early warning signs that he won't take no for an answer. The kind of guy that will have sex with you while you are asleep, or "accidentally" put it up your bum, or carry on even if you say you don't want to/it hurts. Its not worth later issues to overlook this now.

TechnoDino · 08/12/2020 19:46

He’s shown you who he is, a selfish, lying abusive man.
Dump and block, don’t waste another minute on him.

Lampan · 08/12/2020 19:57

PP has beaten me to it but I also recommend watching ‘I may destroy you’. What he did is definitely not OK. Being dishonest in itself is bad enough, but he really crossed a line here.

AlternativePerspective · 08/12/2020 20:00

Definitely bin him.

But IMO people really should have a conversation about contraception before having sex, not least because if you confront him now he may well say that A, you made assumptions about him wearing a condom by putting it on for him without discussion, and B, that you carried on even after you knew that the condom had gone so you therefore maybe aren’t that bothered about it (according to him.) and that can only serve to make you feel worse than you already do.

DianaT1969 · 08/12/2020 20:01

Sorry OP. You thought he was nice and that's disappointing. Tell him that you wouldn't have had sex with him without a condom and he betrayed your trust. That thanks to him, you now have to get an STI test.
I must be an awful person, but I'd be tempted to scare him by saying "I have herpes - fairly dormant at the moment, but not 100% - recommend you get tested and don't have have unprotected sex with anyone else for at least 6 weeks, as the virus can lay low for a while. Keep an eye on your penis for colour change and itchiness."

Apileofballyhoo · 08/12/2020 20:01

I'm so sorry that happened you OP. He's a despicable excuse for a human being.

YoureNotOnTheList · 08/12/2020 20:03

You really must get an STI test. Because if he's had unprotected sex with you, he'll have had it with other people as well.

Barmyfarmy · 08/12/2020 20:05

So sorry OP. This is technically rape as the sex was under conditions you didn't consent to. I'm so sorry you've had this experience. You are likely protected from pregnancy but as you know will need an sti test. It's not your responsibility to inform him but if you choose to, you could tell him he's raped you. I'd say don't do this if you're going to the police though as it could affect what happens. Hope you're okay OP Flowers

Barmyfarmy · 08/12/2020 20:07

@AlternativePerspective

Definitely bin him.

But IMO people really should have a conversation about contraception before having sex, not least because if you confront him now he may well say that A, you made assumptions about him wearing a condom by putting it on for him without discussion, and B, that you carried on even after you knew that the condom had gone so you therefore maybe aren’t that bothered about it (according to him.) and that can only serve to make you feel worse than you already do.

You don't need to discuss using protection. The condom was on, by taking it off he has sexually assaulted OP. Don't victim blame by being nitpicky about what one should and and shouldn't have done before they were raped.
Franklyfrost · 08/12/2020 20:11

Leave him. Right now. There’s no grey area here. I’d report him to the police.

peardrops1 · 08/12/2020 20:11

Stealthing is legally rape. He is disgusting.

Franklyfrost · 08/12/2020 20:12

Op, I wonder if you are trying to make this into ‘not a big deal’ because otherwise you’d have to accept you’ve been assaulted and, depending what country you’re in, raped.

JurassicParkAha · 08/12/2020 20:18

He's not a nice guy. He's a creep with no regard for your wishes and safety.

I'd tell him that what he's done is legally rape (in England anyway) but you won't be reporting him to the police. Instead you want him to fuck off and never contact you again.

That way he'll hopefully think twice before stealthing again.

If you met him on an app then report him to the site. They won't involve you (he won't know why or that's it's you who complained), so don't worry, but if enough women have done it he'll get banned from the app. In fact they'll probably ban him on your complaint alone. They take this stuff VERY seriously.

RandomUsernameHere · 08/12/2020 20:26

Sorry this happened to you OP. I'm pretty sure this would count as rape, there was a case similar to this in the news recently that went to court.

Suzi888 · 08/12/2020 20:34

Then he’s lying. I’d be absolutely livid, I doubt I’d be able to trust him again! I just wondered why he would take it off, risking a pregnancy..

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