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Friend with (mind-blowingly good) benefits and feelings

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aurynne · 16/11/2020 08:04

Looking for similar experiences and advice after finding myself in a lovely but a bit confusing situation.

I separated from my DH some months ago and shorty afterwards met a man who had also recently separated. Our life circumstances and reasons behind the separation are completely different, but we clicked really quickly and became good friends, and were both an amazing support for the other in low moments.

Neither of us wants to start a relationship with one another, also for different reasons: I am very comfortable on my own and want to enjoy the single life, and may decide to travel/work overseas as soon as the COVID situation allows it. My new friend desperately wants to have children, and I don't (and are too old to change my mind anyway) so would not be a suitable long-term partner for him.

Our friendship soon became physical and we were delighted to find that we sexually get on like a house on fire. I honestly had never had sex like this before, so easy, and free, and wild. From the beginning we developed a trust and comfort with each other's bodies that would normally have taken me months (or years) to develop with previous sexual partners. At the same time we agree that we are both free and can have sex with other people, and that it is likely that at some time one of us (most likely him, as he is actively looking) will find a significant other, after which obviously the physical part of our friendship will have to end. We both hope that the new partner will be open minded and happy that we remain friends, however we also recognise that not every new partner is happy with their new love sharing friendships with previous lovers.

So in summary, an amazing friendship where we can be honest with one another, share anything about ourselves, we are both great listeners and have a lot of fun doing things together. Mind-blowing sex. And a connection like we have never had with anyone before.

Obviously what had to happen happened, and I found myself feeling more emotional than I should, especially after sessions in which there is a lot of kissing and cuddling, instead of just a quickie or a passionate fuck. I realised that half of the times I was not just having sex, but making love to him, and decided that I needed to let him know and stop the sex part, because I did not want to be jealous every time he talked to another woman thinking "this can be the one and I will he crushed".

I had a chat with him letting him know all this. He was very sad that I had decided to stop the physical part of our friendship but respected my decision... but revealed that he had been feeling the same way and had been having the same thoughts. I had made my decision to stop the physical side assuming that for him sex was just sex, and I was the only one starting to have feelings, however his admission has set me in turmoil.

Despite the feelings, I still very much do not want a relationship. Even though the friendship and connection are amazing, my FWB and I are very different people with different hobbies, things we like and ideas of how to live life. I am very happy on my own. And even if he was madly in love with me and wanted to be with me, I would not want to become the obstacle between him and having children, which I know is something he is pining for and would not be happy if he didn't achieve.

So basically I am now trying to decide whether to just continue just as friends - which is easier said than done, when you have a sexual connection like this... when we are close to each other you can almost feel the static electricity flowing and we both struggle to keep our hands from each other - and risk ending up not seeing each other at all to avoid awkwardness and temptation... or to say "fuck it!", and just enjoy what we have without any expectations, risking to be heartbroken if these feelings grow and eventually one of us leaves/meets someone else.

The ideal situation would be, for me, that we continue with things as they come (erm... excuse the pun), and eventually the sex may fizzle out, or perhaps we will both reach a point when we feel ready to move on. However, the risks that he meets someone and I get hurt (or the other way around) is playing heavily on my mind. After a recent separation, I really do not need another heartbreak.

So here we go MumsNetters, what advice can you give me? Do you have any experience with particularly intense "friends with benefits" experiences, how long did it last, how did it end, were any of the parts hurt? What would you do if you were me?

(we are both in our 40s and neither has children, by the way. And we live in a country where COVID is well controlled and we can do normal life with minimal restrictions, however international travel is obviously not an option for the foreseeable future)

Thank you so much for any contributions, they will be avidly read and processed no matter the content.

OP posts:
shrill · 16/11/2020 13:59

Stop completely. The way you feel and the way he feels is now definitely not compatible. I could see this becoming he gets his cake while you get the bad bits. There is a reason he hasn't ended up feeling the same as you. Save yourself any further hurt.

FakeFlamingo · 16/11/2020 15:29

I'd rather have what I can albeit for a short while than none at all. Life is too short, don't miss out on the chemistry and passion. You'll get over him when the time comes and the pain will be worth the amazing moments and memories you have.

JurassicParkAha · 16/11/2020 15:47

I had a fwb after I separated too. Well, we started dating at first and quickly realised we each had too much baggage to actually commit to a relationship. Also he played a LOT of sport and I felt he'd be best suited to a partner who could match him in that regard. So we split, had no contact for 4-5 months, and then once the feelings had died we resurrected as fwb. It worked well as neither of us had those feelings anymore, and had agreed we were both still dating other people. Also we did have boundaries - so no cuddling up and watching films, or chatting endlessly on the phone. We'd meet up for dinner, have a shag, share a bed and then leave in the am. Anything more emotional would be too messy.

I then met someone, and we had to stop. He shortly met someone else. But since then we've maintained a light touch friendship - where we still discuss our hobbies time to time, wish each other for a birthday etc. But a friendship beyond that would be hard to explain to any partners, and also it wouldn't work - our sex life was too good to just be friends.

So my suggestion is to end things now, give a lot of time and space, then if you both want just a friendship and the feelings are gone, you can try. Definitely don't carry on the fwb in its current form - it's not fair to either of you, and you may be surprised at how bereft you feel if he does meet someone and move on. As you're far too emotionally entangled in him, and he you, to be as detached you need to be.

Sacredspace · 16/11/2020 15:53

I’m wondering if your feelings for each other will grow to such an extent that they will outweigh a child for him/freedom/overseas for you? Could he possibly travel with you?
Could you consider having a child/children by means other than biologically? Perhaps he would be prepared to make the greater sacrifice in doing the lions share of the child rearing?

aurynne · 16/11/2020 19:10

Reading all your thoughts is being so enlightening, also makes me feel less alone in this decision. Thank you again.

For those who have said I can still have children, it's not an issue. I have never wanted children, and I don't want them now. I would not have a child to please a partner even if I was 10 years younger and completely fertile. I would love to see him holding his baby because I know that would make him immensely happy, but definitely not my baby!

@Wishfuldreamer your post has particularly resonated with me. I am indeed trying to active look at other men, not as partners (I do mean it when I say I am very happy being free and on my own) but as sexual connections that would mean that, if my FWB leaves/finds someone else, I also have other "interests". I have always separated sex from love easily - or more easily than the average woman - and have had FWBs in the past, but never like this.

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GreenlandTheMovie · 16/11/2020 19:23

does not only want me for sex. We talk for hours, we hug, kiss and cuddle, we meet for movies, dinners and hiking, not only for sex, we keep in touch every day by messenger and tell each other about our days

So basically you are his girlfriend until a better bet comes along, at which point he has your permission to discard you. And you are happy with this and singing his praises? He has you exactly where he wants you.

He also wants to find a woman for her baby making abilities. Not her personality and character, not her attractiveness and the chemistry between them, but specifically for her ability to produce children for him.

I wouldn't fancy being her. He sounds clinical.

aurynne · 16/11/2020 21:41

@GreenlandTheMovie "So basically you are his girlfriend until a better bet comes along, at which point he has your permission to discard you. And you are happy with this and singing his praises? He has you exactly where he wants you."

I have the same privileges, i could shag any other man tomorrow. And he accepted my decision of no sex even if it made him sad. If he wanted me just for sex he could have just said: "I love you too, let's keep having sex". He may even save me from any further decisions by saying he wants to keep the no-sex rule going when we meet later today. Let's see!

"He also wants to find a woman for her baby making abilities. Not her personality and character, not her attractiveness and the chemistry between them, but specifically for her ability to produce children for him."

He wants a woman who is of course compatible with him and he loves, not any woman out there :)

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MushMonster · 16/11/2020 21:54

I think it is time to stop it, before you get any deeper feelings. And cool down the friendship too.
He needs to find someone to have children with.
You do not want a relationship at the moment.
Once either you or him find a partner, you will not be able to see each other at all. Surely you can see that. So stop, take steps back till it vanishes.

RuffleCrow · 16/11/2020 22:26

It does seem as though the cards are stacked in his favour rather than yours, OP. As women, sadly our shelf life is much shorter than that of men. I don't like it, but that's the sexist society we live in. He could carry on having sex with you whilst keeping an eye out for someone better for the next 10 years or more. And then where would that leave you? 50 something and having to start the search for someone who's actually compatible once more. Let your head rule your heart on this one.

aurynne · 16/11/2020 22:56

@RuffleCrow I actually see it the other way around, I have much less to lose than him! I am enjoying great sex with no strings attached, and I am free to stop it at any time and find someone else if I want to. I can live happily on my own, I am not a person who needs a partner by my side to feel fulfilled. I am not being stopped from doing anything. My worst risk is being crushed if he finds the woman of his life/mother of his children, which is also a significant risk, however I have been heartbroken before and I have survived and moved on, and found love again. At my age I am quite pragmatic in that sense. When I am 50 something I can find another 50 something man to be my partner if that is what I want, hell I could find someone when I'm 80, plenty of examples around me :). I am not limited to childbearing chances as he is.

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TiggerDatter · 16/11/2020 23:44

Agree OP, there’s nothing stopping you keeping yours eyes open for a man ten years younger. Women don’t have any shorter a shelf life than men in terms of sex and love. It’s only childbearing that is time limited, and since you don’t want children, that’s irrelevant except in relation to this particular man.

RuffleCrow · 17/11/2020 07:19

I aģree in theory but the reality is most men aren't interested in dating us, the older we get. I'm sure some are, but it's a much smaller percentage so the odds aren't in our favour. I wish it were otherwise but we don't live in a society where aging is seen as a positive in women. There's the world as it is vs the world as it should be.

THisbackwithavengeance · 17/11/2020 07:39

I don't believe in FWB.

I have nothing against casual sex and partook in it frequently in my time, but when I see FWB bandied around on here it is usually obvious that the woman is being used until someone better comes along and that she secretly wants a relationship and is hoping he will change his mind.

OP, your set up sounds like a lovely relationship but if neither of you are able to commit I would end it now and save yourself a world of pain later on.

One thing which stood out is when you said he wants to have DCs in a tent and homeschool them in the countryside etc.

You do know that is bollocks don't you and in 5 years time when Mr Free Spirit is married to a 30 something with a 9 to 5 job and a mortgage and surrounded in nappies, how are you going to feel?

TiggerDatter · 17/11/2020 07:43

I am talking about the world as it is. Women in their 50s can be hugely desirable, it’s not a fait accompli that we sink into being overlooked and rejected. We have to fight it.

In my teens I was told women don’t go to Oxbridge, in my 20s I was told women don’t have proper careers, in my 30s I was told women stay at home with their babies, in my 40s I was told women accepted poor behaviour from their DH because it’s what you have to expect, in my 50s I was told women can’t find a loving new partner because they are past it. It was all BOLLOCKS, designed to suppress me. And completely untrue.

Just don’t buy into these lies. Be brave and true to yourself and you can do and achieve whatever you want.

supadupapupascupa · 17/11/2020 08:10

I haven't read everything as I'm dashing out. I had a FWB for 4 years. I married him and we are so happy. There were iOS and downs and we ended the arrangement. But true feelings came through.....

WinnieHarlow · 17/11/2020 08:41

I have a FWB, I’ve known him for about 20years. We’ve got together when we’ve been single, but otherwise kept in touch. I think we’ll always be friendly - in fact he’s probably been my most successful relationship because we have no expectations of each other.

RuffleCrow · 17/11/2020 10:01

I'm not sure my perception of myself as desirable at 50 or even 39 has much impact on how men perceive me though. It's a bit like the transgender thing: we can identify as beautiful or hot, but men are free to strongly disagree. And in my experience they usually do! Don't get me wrong, I'm bisexual and often find older women attractive myself, but in all honesty they do tend to be the Gillian Anderson types who've clearly had the kind of extremely subtle work done that I could never afford myself. Maybr the op has better genes/ more money than I do though.

TiggerDatter · 17/11/2020 11:13

@RuffleCrow we all have different experiences, but I have found that my very strong self-belief (at 58) completely bowls men over. Obviously only a certain type of man though. I avert my eyes from vain, shallow men who like their women sweet and pretty just like they avert their eyes from me!

pipnchops · 17/11/2020 11:19

Enjoy your summer together. None of us know what's around the corner in our relationships. Heartbreak is inevitable for every relationship and however you want to define this it is a relationship, but that doesn't stop people having them.

Mum2jenny · 17/11/2020 21:22

Go enjoy your FWB OP as you never know how life will work out. Just have some fun when you can Wine

aurynne · 18/11/2020 01:17

Well, we met, we talked, we reflected... and it appears that the consensus is "fuck it! It will be what it will be". Didn't sleep much last night, but it didn't bother me a bit. I may come back to this thread in the future and think we were a pair of idiots, but at least we were a consenting pair of idiots. Thank you everyone for your thoughts and experience, MumsNet at its best :)

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RantyAnty · 18/11/2020 03:59

Glad to hear your update. Enjoy your summer together!

TiggerDatter · 18/11/2020 07:53

I love your update OP - best of luck!

Saggyoldsofa · 18/11/2020 21:56

Enjoy yourselves! Really hope it works out.

Numnumbirdy · 19/11/2020 08:57

Excellent update! Smile

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