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Cheating Toerag

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YetAnother1 · 29/10/2020 02:07

H has been cold, offish and grumpy for quite a while now. Years.
He started talking really condescendingly towards me a few years ago - it's exactly the way his father talks to his mother, and she tolerates it. I told him I won't, and to not talk like that to me. He knows he does it, knows he got it from father. He apologized back in the day, then carried on now and again. I think this was the catalyst for my feeling he'd lost respect/love for me, because he never used to speak to me like that, so if that's what his feelings were manifesting as, it felt clear to me how he felt. But our youngest was a baby and I desperately didn't want to split and then have him get the kids several nights a week. So each time he'd talk down to me, I'd pull him up on it and he'd apologise and at least make an effort for a while. But then it gradually got more frequent and I just withdrew. Just felt I'd rather not hear him talk to me that way at all, nor have the kids hear it, so conversation dwindled to basic practical stuff about the kids and what's for dinner. Nothing physical since then. I'm peri-menopausal anyway and not feeling like I'm missing that aspect of life right now. Perhaps had he not been so rude in his mannerisms and words, I'd have gotten that part of our lives back.
Actually, I feel the downspiral started during my last pregnancy, he wasn't helpful, kept consuming something the smell of which made me nauseous but he wouldn't stop despite my asking, didn't bother reading a childbirth book I really wanted him to read which would have helped me, and he was a huge letdown during labour. I just threw myself into adoring my children, they were both a long time coming and made me very happy.
So neither of us have been especially happy with each other, but I am so busy with the kids (nine, four) with zero help or support, he was busy doing various courses (kept him busy, cost us money, but actually does nothing to enhance his career in any way despite him telling me it was an investment that would help us financially) and such is life. I did not want to split when the kids were so young. I mean, they are still young :( .

I have been a sahm since our first was born, and we chose to home educate them. I knew this was a gamble for my own sense of financial security but I trusted him, and really wanted to not have the kids at school so young.
I am also hundreds of miles from my home town (though I have no parental help back there anyway. Still UK. My mother is still alive but we are NC. I have no practical support.).

He's been especially distant recently. He moved out of the family bed (still cosleep and bf the little one) at the start of lockdown, he claimed to get more space/better night's sleep as she still disturbed him in the night and both kids were staying up a little later due to their activities being cancelled. I was happy with this as his snoring was getting worse, and he didn't shower enough like I preferred he did before bed either. This was another source of contention, I'd politely ask him to shower before bed (I mean, I shouldn't even have to ask, right?), and he'd moan about it. Especially during pregnancy, my sense of smell seemed heightened, and he still wouldn't shower (he'd have one in the morning, but by the end of the day, he really needed a shower, imo.).

He's been jogging more, and staying in his home office more. Whether he's actually been jogging to get fit, or it's just his way to get out of the house to see her, I don't know.
I have had a feeling for a while now, that his thoughts are elsewhere.
He's been out a few evenings recently, he's not been one much for going out since we had the kids.
Tonight, he went out and accidentally left his computer on. I snooped and he's been chatting to a woman, I couldn't read it all as the kids were still running about and I didn't want them to see me looking, but it clearly points to at the least, flirting, building up to an affair. Lots of chatting about TV shows and books they read/watch together, signing off with xxx. I was skim reading so fast and could barely read it well, my heart was pounding so hard and my eyes felt blurry. She knows he's married with kids, and referred to his "situation". They talked about meeting up and having some drinks and"seeing what developed".
There were reams and reams of messages, I didn't even manage to scroll to the beginning to see how or when this started.
He also mentioned having a burner SIM card for his phone.
And he met her tonight.
I think they kissed, bare minimum.
When he got home, I nonchalantly asked him where he'd been, and he mentioned a male colleague by name (rolled off his tongue without a moment's hesitation), to discuss something work-oriented.

I feel stuck. I don't want to be with him, but I absolutely desperately don't want to be without my kids one night a week and every other weekend, or whatever it is, either.
But when I'm really unable to tolerate this situation, how do I even get out? I don't have a job, and not even sure what I'd do after ten years out of the workplace. I desperately didn't want the kids to have to go to school til they were a little older.
I did put the vast majority of money into our house, from the house I had before we met. He brought nothing financially to the table at that stage, but obviously has been the sole earner since our eldest was born.

I haven't been happy in our location for a long time either, I never wanted to move here but we did for his job. It was not meant to be permanent. I have wanted to move back to my hometown/area for years. Now I feel stuck in an area I absolutely hate, with no job, two kids, no practical support (yes, I've made friends here, but no one I can think of who'd be able to help, they all have kids too). My best friend lives abroad. I also can't even afford to move back as I come from a relatively expensive area. And now I don't even know if it's fair to uproot the kids and move hundreds of miles away. Is it?

First things first, I know I need to get evidence. Help - it's on his computer on WhatsApp. How do I save their conversation? I can only think of taking photos but that will take ages.
He's very techy, and I don't even know when he'll next make the mistake of leaving his computer on again.
I don't have the passwords for our bank account either. As he was the only one earning, he has been the one to oversee the accounts.

Shit.

OP posts:
yetmorecrap · 29/10/2020 19:35

I agree with the last few posters. I’m sure you are a terrifically caring parent OP but I think your children would benefit from a dose of the real world of school- good and bad- certainly the 9 year old . I think the problem is here you have made the children your ‘career’- I get the feeling you aren’t that bothered about your husband / partner but want the certainty of him funding the SAHM life - unfortunately whatever he has said about supporting your choices I think the reality is he feels like a spare part who really isn’t liked or needed - you are just ‘the wife’ and hence why he has been seeking an emotional connection elsewhere. I don’t think it’s a good idea to move away fir a few years even if you don’t really like it where’s you are - I think it’s important to actually build yourself a life that doesn’t just involve the kids but for their dad to share this too. I think if you actually built a life you would appreciate some ‘me’ time and May then be more at peace with where you live for a few years at least. . If it was me I would bide my time and quickly get to the bottom
Of what he earns, , what money and joint assets you have , , what joint liabilities you have- work out what money is likely to be available. If he is a high earner but there is little in the way of assets I think it’s likely youbwill get spousal maintenance for a while too, it may be you dont have to move anywhere— go through with a lawyer before confronting - I don’t think you love him so whilst feeling angry And let down (and I don’t blame you) I think there’s no point going at it hammer and tongues, best to just get yourself and children in the best position you can

PartoftheProbl3m · 30/10/2020 08:10

The kids will be fine at school. Sorry that you’re in the situation it is always worth going to work

CorianderLord · 30/10/2020 10:24

Tbh your kids are young and will probably love school and the interactions it brings. Not sure why you're convinced they'd hate it.

itsgoodtobehome · 31/10/2020 11:55

Normally on one of these types of threads, I would have no sympathy for the man whatsoever. However, in this case, I kind of do. It seems to me that your DH has been relegated to little more than a bank (both sperm and money).

He has been kicked out of the marital bed, his wife has no interest in him and seems utterly devoted only to the children. I'm not really surprised that he he has decided to look elsewhere.

I think you need to really consider the situation you have put yourself in here. You seem to have devoted yourself so much to your children that you have sacrificed everything else - your independence, your career, your sex-life, you marriage and your financial security. In 10 years time, your oldest will be 19 - independent and moving towards living his own life. What then? You will have nothing left.

As mothers, we all want to do the best for our children, but not to the detriment of everything else, as life has to carry on after the childhood days are over. If you give it all up now, you will have nothing to go back to when the children are grown up.

I would get your children into school, get a job, and find some kind of life for yourself, either with or without your husband.

Shizzlestix · 31/10/2020 23:13

You need a job. Your dc need to be in school and not 24/7 attached to you. Never thought I’d say this on a ‘he’s cheating’ thread, but omg, no bloody wonder, who can blame the guy?

Anordinarymum · 31/10/2020 23:27

This is just from my own perspective but when the marriage is not working I think as a mother you concentrate on being the best parent you can for your children, and this can make your husband feel left out and in some cases think the marriage is dead anyway so nobody is thinking straight.

Breastfeeding a four year old is a passion killer.

There is a reason that a man and his wife share a bed and that is because their relationship in a family is special to them. It is exclusive and their children know this. Your children must have a really odd view of family life simply because of the way you live and what you have shown to them.
I kind of feel sorry for all of you. You have all lost your way. Breastfeeding children who are way past that stage is an excuse not to be with your husband IMHO

Opentooffers · 31/10/2020 23:42

You are still breastfeeding a 4year old and you can't bear the kids going to school or being without them for one night!
The situation you are now in could be the making of you, it's about time you got your independence back and it's about time your kids got some independence from you. You've been living an odd life till now, you are about to be pushed into the real world, from your mumsy bubble - it's not so bad, after all would you want your D to give up on any personal dreams and happiness the moment she gives birth in the future? It's never good to live your life through others, that includes your kids. Happiness is balance, that is got from work, and home life combined. Spread your wings, there's a world out there that you've been trying too hard to shelter yourself and your kids from, by hiding from the bad, you miss out on the good.

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