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Made to feel like a pervert

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RejectedAgain · 24/10/2020 23:05

Can anyone explain why men stop wanting sex? And then make the woman feel bad for wanting it?

I was rejected again last night by my husband. All I did was kiss him in bed and smooth his back. He responded with a very curt "no" then rolled over and went to sleep.

I tried to discuss it this morning. He said he doesn't want sex and called me a pervert for wanting to have sex and says I always pester him (I haven't asked for weeks and even when I try it on it's only a kiss and if he says no I accept it). He's been rejecting me for 6 months now.

Usually I'd assume affair but he's been WFH as have I, so no chance of that being the case. Other than having to work from home nothing has changed in our lives so I can't understand why he's being like this.

I honestly don't feel like a pervert for wanting sex with my own husband ffs and now don't know what to do! Take him to a doctor? A therapist? A divorce lawyer? Sad

OP posts:
Namechangedforthisoct2 · 25/10/2020 00:57

It sounds like he might be ashamed / angry (at himself), confused and therefore being super defensive and touchy about the subject?!

I wonder if you could try super gently raising it with him, in a really loving way, something along the lines of:

“Hey (pet / nice name), can we talk about our love life, as I love you and intimacy is a big part of how I show and feel affection with you.
It’s ok you don’t want any, but can we talk about it so I understand and also to know if this is a permanent thing or something you are going through, so it’s out in the open and not some unspoken secret”
I hope you manage to sort things out OP Flowers

1WildTeaParty · 25/10/2020 00:59

You said: 'Can anyone explain why men stop wanting sex? And then make the woman feel bad for wanting it?'

I don't think this happens all that often OP.

It is a sad situation for you both and it sounds as if it is about more than sex. Have you really no idea what started this division between you?

SoulofanAggron · 25/10/2020 01:01

@Namechangedforthisoct2 OP tried to discuss it calmly and says he called her a pervert. Shock

@RejectedAgain Was that the actual word he used?

VettiyaIruken · 25/10/2020 01:22

He may be ill or depressed and embarrassed about it (many men are ridiculously sensitive about performance issues!)

That doesn't mean it is acceptable to call you names and for me, that would be a bigger problem than his libido.

If I were you I'd tell him the two of you need to discuss it. He ought to have an appointment with a gp. If he is unwilling to do that and just wants to ignore his potential health problem and just lash out at you instead, that would be a 'ltb' situation imo.

Eckhart · 25/10/2020 01:23

On the subject of the title of your thread, don't let his name calling make you feel like a pervert. You know you're not.

If he called you a mince pie, would it make you feel like you were a mince pie?

If you really are just wanting to have sex with your spouse sometimes, then you are as much a pervert as you are a mince pie.

LilQueenie · 25/10/2020 01:57

sounds like a reverse. If it is I'm betting there is withheld information.

it sounded like DP writing it, omitting the fact that he has no respect or the name calling that gets him sod all in the end.

Maze76 · 25/10/2020 01:26

Well my husband and I haven’t had sex in over a year, he had an affair last year, it’s ended and we’ve not been intimate since. Could he have had an affair pre lockdown?

Hopeisnotastrategy · 25/10/2020 01:53

@Eckhart

On the subject of the title of your thread, don't let his name calling make you feel like a pervert. You know you're not.

If he called you a mince pie, would it make you feel like you were a mince pie?

If you really are just wanting to have sex with your spouse sometimes, then you are as much a pervert as you are a mince pie.

Thank you @Eckhart, that made me chuckle. Quite right too!
Terrace58 · 25/10/2020 04:23

If you can find a way to have an honest conversation that would be ideal. If that isn’t forthcoming, it’s worth marriage counseling. This isn’t just about sex, it’s about maintaining your emotional connection.

Greeneyes78 · 25/10/2020 05:00

@HunkyPunk I’ve also been referred to as a pervert for wanting sex so it rings true for me.

In my experience this only gets worse op.

Chocaholic9 · 25/10/2020 05:11

I was in a relationship with a porn addict. He tried to paint me in the same way for initiating sex with him...he thought I was the pervert.

It turned out he was, when I found out what he'd be watching on the internet, and spending all his sexual energies on, instead of having sex with me!

popcornlover · 25/10/2020 05:25

Affair. He’s got someone

popcornlover · 25/10/2020 05:27

Posted too quickly.

He’s got someone else and has gone off you. Or, the softer option to believe is that it’s ED. How old is he?

AgentJohnson · 25/10/2020 05:30

It’s time to have a conversation outside of the bedroom. If he tries to deflect and blame you, stay calm but be firm. If there is an issue then now is the opportunity to talk about it but blame and deflection isn’t helpful and is disrespectful to you and your relationship. Be very clear that the longer he refuses to acknowledge the change in your sexual relationship, the closer he comes to bring the whole relationship in danger.

slipperywhensparticus · 25/10/2020 05:37

I would be moving bedrooms for the pervert comment and reconsidering my marriage if you cant be nice to your life partner then your life partner should leave you to it

NeonGenesis · 25/10/2020 05:59

You need to get to the bottom of this. He needs to open up to you about how he feels. It's not good enough for him to just accuse you of being a pervert when all you're doing is kissing him.

There could be all sorts of reasons why he doesn't want sex at the moment, but if he isn't prepared to talk about it then he can't expect you to just ignore it. That's not how a healthy marriage works.

RejectedAgain · 25/10/2020 06:02

Apologies, I wrote this then went to bed. I’ll try and answer everyone’s questions.

Can’t reply individually as lots of questions but I’ll reply to most common questions:

RELATIONSHIP LENGTH AND AGE: We’ve been together 18 years and are mid 30s, only ever been together, No previous experience on either side.

DC: we have 2 DC, one in teens, one under 10. I doubt he’s too worried about them hearing, the youngest wouldn’t understand. The eldest heard once, we dealt with it and now make sure he’s asleep before we even kiss. We have a lock on the door too.

PORN: surely I’d know if he was watching it in our house?!

WORK STRESS / REDUNDANCY: It could be stress I suppose as he took on a more senior role just as lockdown hit and the shit is hitting the fan there a bit but he’s not at risk of job loss, on the contrary actually, he’s been asked if he’d consider an even more senior role that’s come up.

THERAPY: I think he would be unlikely to try therapy tbh. When we lost our 2nd pregnancy at 4 months along (8 years ago - had another child since) he wouldn’t see a therapist then even though he was depressed so I doubt he would for this.

ED: when we first got together we were both virgins and it took us 6 months to have sex as he kept losing his erection at the point of entering me, which I put down to first time nerves as it was fine after that first time but now I’m wondering

TESTOSTERONE: Testosterone could be an issue as he’s gained weight during lockdown - around 2 stone. But I still fancy the pants off him

RELATIONSHIP: Relationship in general is pretty good. When we can we have family holidays, date nights etc. If an outsider looked in I think they’d be surprised there was no sex ifywim. We still kiss and cuddle outside the bedroom

BEING ALLOWED TO REFUSE SEX: I know it’s acceptable to refuse sex, it’s more he won’t talk and called me a pervert that’s upsetting. If I knew why I could deal with it.

LANGUAGE USED TOWARDS ME: He 100% called me a pervert. He’s called me kinky in the past too for wanting to try light bondage. The kinky comment was meant as a joke but made me feel a bit shitty as I’d only asked to try something new and relatively vanilla in my eyes and wouldn’t ever have forced him.

SEX LIFE USUALLY: Used to have sex once or twice a week usually but would have foreplay types of activities on at least 2 other nights and never went to sleep without a cuddle though pre lockdown we may have skipped a week of sex but would still always pleasure each other in other ways.

DIVORCE: when I mentioned divorce on my original post it was meant as a last resort if other methods don’t work. I shouldn’t be shamed by him for wanting sex with my husband

PRESSURING HIM: I don’t pressure him. We’ve had a chat or at least tried a few times and he said it’s not me that’s made him go off it. The way I kissed him the other day could just as easily been a kiss not just a “come on”. I’ve always had a higher drive than him so he’s said no to sex several times before all this but would usually pleasure me in other ways then. Even that’s stopped now. Weirdly he recently asked me if I’m getting myself off and made a “joke” about my vibrator running out of batteries?!

LEAVING: I’ve asked him if he thinks our relationship is over / if he wants to leave me and he said no

CLASS: both from the same background. Can’t see why him being from a more middle class than me would matter though even if we had been

TO THE POSTER WHO SAID IT SOUNDS LIKE A ROLE REVERSAL: I’m genuinely a woman asking about my husband. I said “try it on” as I was too damn tired to think of the word initiate

AFFAIR: the thought really upsets and sickens me. We’ve only ever slept together and the thought of him sleeping with someone else makes me feel physically sick. Could be an option I suppose.

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Bluntness100 · 25/10/2020 06:05

That seems like a defensive reaction to me to. The best form of Defence is attack

I think you both need to sit down and talk about it. Maybe go in with saying your sorry, to see if it helps him open up, because if you do it in a “it’s normal to want sex what’s wrong with you” kind of way he’s going to get defensive again,

HelloDulling · 25/10/2020 06:15

You need to talk to him during the day, maybe away from home.

Tell him how it made you feel to be called a pervert for wanting to have sex with the person you are married to. Tell him you need to know what is going on, because you are fearing the worst.

FippertyGibbett · 25/10/2020 06:38

You are very young not never have sex again.
Would you stay with him if you knew that was the deal ?
If he’s not prepared to go to the Dr for help or discuss it in any way then you’ve got a decision to make.
Just have a look at your accounts and credit cards to see if any money is missing that shouldn’t be.

Mummyoflittledragon · 25/10/2020 06:39

Your dh knows he has issues around performing when he is nervous. Could lockdown and new job stress, which may be making him nervous?

It sounds like the two of you need to talk. Can you get someone to watch your dcs while you go out even if it is for a walk? Or can you do this when they’re at school?

Pesimistic · 25/10/2020 06:41

Its porn and leave him it wont get bettee

wizzywig · 25/10/2020 06:56

What I did in the same situation was to go on the contraceptive pill to reduce my libido. It has that effect on me. I found it so hurtful dealing with constant rejection. He had ED too so the sex was never 100% great any way

MattBerrysHair · 25/10/2020 07:15

You need to tell him how being called a pervert made you feel. Whatever the reason for the rejection, he was cruel and needs to acknowledge that and apologise before you can move on to talk about what's really going on.

As for not wanting sex for 6 months, could the weight gain be making him feel self-conscious and unattractive? It's perfectly reasonable to want an explanation when sex suddenly disappears in a relationship, but you need to broach the subject in a neutral place away from the bedroom. If he won't address it and shuts you down what will you do? It sounds like you have plenty of non-sexual intimacy and a good relationship overall so is a sexless marriage something you could accept in the long-term without resentment building up? Everyone has different requirements and boundaries in a relationship and you need to decide what yours are.

Branleuse · 25/10/2020 07:24

I feel sorry for you. My ex was like this to me and it battered my self esteem.
I think your husband is asexual or even possibly gay. It sounds like its not even just sex but intimacy in general.
Imo youre far far too young to settle into a sexless life. Youre in your prime and are not a pervert.
Sex is a normal and natural desire and its healthy to want it and need it. Hes shutting you down, refusing kisses, strokes, intimacy as well as sex. Its humilating. I would consider relationship counselling but alone.
You cant pressure him into sex, but that doesnt mean you have to put up with an asexual half relationship when youre a red blooded passionate woman with needs

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