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Husband's mood swings are unpredictable?

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Dunkerke · 23/10/2020 09:41

Hello all,

I have been married for a little over 4 years (without kids) and I am finding it increasingly hard to cope with my husband's mood swings.
Here's an example: We're celebrating a special occasion. He pampers me, gives in to my wishes (I wanted to go on a short trip, he wouldn't be thrilled about the plan normally), goes out of his way to organise something special the next day just for me. He is all sweet and caring, giving me back rubs, saying loving words to me. It feels genuine.

I'm looking at the calendar and this state lasted exactly 8 days.

Today he was clearly pissed since he woke up. His didn't greet me with a kiss in the morning, he came looking for me, asking about something I misplaced (by washing it and putting it somewhere to dry). This is an object he uses in his morning routine and it was dirty. I use it too sometimes, and I am the one who bears the mental load of the house chores, so I washed it. He wanted to know why I had washed it? By the tone of his voice I could tell he was subtly defiant and annoyed, so after calmly answering some of his questions, I became impatient and did not apologise. I said, in a rather condescending, "please-stop-it" way tbh, "I wash it if it needs to be washed". It seems he was expecting an apology though.

It is worth mentioning that he becomes very sensitive about misplaced things. I understand that. I CANNOT understand why he would pick an argument over something like this.

He then blew up, kind of. Began threatening me with getting rid of all my stuff. "I'll do it, you'll see, it's all going in the trash". He says I misplace and get rid of all his stuff and then I fill the house with mine (I never throw out his stuff). He told me the condescending tone in my replies destroys "everything" (meaning the loving environment, the trust) and that is what made him angry. I did not reply once to his threats about throwing out my stuff and simply said that his mood swings were unpredictable and asked why the sudden change? It's been a few hours since you were rubbing my feet on the couch.

This kind of behaviour and unpredictability makes me feel cynical and numb. He can be loving, caring and an amazing person. But then sth small happens and he reconsiders everything, hides behind his shell.

I never know exactly what triggers these mood swings and I find myself doing mental gymnastics to try to find the one remark or small event that's at the root of it. I just know it's going to happen. Perhaps I am not very good at identifying weak spots, I don't know.

Please note that I am by no means perfect. I can be self-centred as I have anxiety issues and it prevents me from paying attention to what is going on around me. He has told me before that he sometimes feels abandoned because of this, or that he feels like he gives and gives and gets no generosity in return. I understand that these things take a toll on him and he's not very good at expressing his feelings. But still I feel like there are red lines for me which I could never cross or he would leave me or make a huge deal out of it, while in the heat of the moment he takes the liberty to talk to me the way he likes. He can become offended by the tone of my voice but I just have to ignore the fact that he threatened me with throwing out all of my stuff and move on. I believe I always measure my words when I speak to him, trying not to say something offensive.

The question is how to handle this now? How to embrace the imperfect man that is my husband and forgive him? I probably shouldn't make a big deal out of it, but I can't bring myself to ignore it happened. I can already tell that the weekend is going to suck.

Again, I am posting here because it is a recurrent pattern.

Would you apologise and move on? Am I making a big deal out of sth small?

Thank you in advance for your time and help.

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Justtryingtobehelpful · 23/10/2020 09:53

No. Sounds like you're in the cycle of abuse. Read Why Does He Do That? By Lundy Bancroft. Research the abuser profiles here on MN

violetbunny · 23/10/2020 09:57

I've lived with someone Ike this before. You're constantly on edge, wondering what the next thing will be that will set him off. It's abuse. This isn't going to get any better. If I were you I'd be thinking about leaving.

Dunkerke · 23/10/2020 10:09

Thank you both for your insight.

I doubt my ability to see the situation clearly to be honest. Sometimes I feel like I have been wronged and sometimes I feel like I overreacted and was too dramatic. I can be too sensitive sometimes and we all know that doesn't help in a relationship. I really doubt my own criteria.

How do you know it's abuse and not just poor frustration-handling threshold? Silent treatment would have to follow these episodes of anger outburst, right? I need to pay more attention to our dynamics I guess.

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Thingsdogetbetter · 23/10/2020 10:23

He's so exhausted by pretending to be nice for 8 whole days that his true self pushes to the front. He love bombs and then withdraws love at the flip of a switch. That is what the cycle of abuse is.

The fact that blame is aimed at you and he is punishing you says it's not frustration-handling that is the issue. It's a desire to hurt you and put you in your place. And no, now he's suitably confused and punished you, silent treatment is not needed.

Did you have anxiety issues before you meet him? Or have they gotten worse? Walking on eggshells wait for Mr Hyde to appear out of nowhere is bound to cause anxiety. It must be bloody exhausting waiting for his next personality switch.

celticmissey · 23/10/2020 10:27

I lived with someone like this for 16 years - you're constantly walking on egg shells until eventually you start to give up and say nothing because you can't be bothered with the unpredictability of the moods and how often they keep changing. Don't keep questioning your behaviour - you will erode yourself until eventually you don't recognise yourself anymore. Could he have an undiagnosed condition? My ex eventually found out he had ADHD. You need to have a conversation with him about how you feel and what you will tolerate and what you won't. If that doesn't help seriously consider whether you can go on like this....

pointythings · 23/10/2020 10:41

I think your anxiety would improve a great deal if you were not living with this man. It doesn't really matter whether there is an underlying cause for his behaviour; it is just not acceptable. If he will not take that on board, you need to leave. He is damaging your mental health.

Dunkerke · 23/10/2020 10:51

Hi Thingsdogetbetter,

Many thanks for taking the time to reply.
I have to admit that after I read your message I burst into tears.

I had never truly, seriously considered that this could be labeled emotional abuse. If it were, it wouldn't change the facts, but the thought alone is quite unsettling.

I did have anxiety before I started going out with him. I do feel like it was due to circumstances (serious family health issues). Then while we were going out I feel like it was not related to him, but we didn't live together then. It did get worse after getting married. Stress at work does not help at all for neither of us. I even had to attend therapy for a while.

I would not like to victimise myself excessively as I for sure play a role in all of it as well. I am aware of my flaws and I can see how living with a diferent human being can be tricky. It's just that I wish he didn't turn something small or even perceived into a huge mess.

It also doesn't feel normal that while I might be angry about something, I never "blow up". I might become apathetic or ruminate, or in the best scenario I will communicate it assertively but politely, but doesn't extend me the same courtesy. I truly am lost.

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MellowMelly · 23/10/2020 11:11

Silent treatment doesn’t have to follow for it to be abuse. In your situation it seems to be that you do something little wrong (in his eyes) and he turns it back on you tenfold in a very spiteful way.

You are looking at ways to embrace your imperfect husband and yet he doesn’t seem to be looking for ways to embrace you as his imperfect wife. We all make mistakes. An integral part of a healthy relationship is to look past any little nuisances of your partner that annoy you and not hold it against them. Instead he looks to punish you with sulky threats and behaviour over small things that in a healthy relationship could just be thought of as an oversight and it would be left at that.

You say it’s a reoccurring pattern and you now know this weekend will suck. It’s his punishment because you had enough and stood up for yourself. They don’t want you to have a voice and when you do speak up they just don’t like it. He is controlling your reactions, emotions and the atmosphere in your home. He is conditioning you to be mute which sadly allows him to continue his behaviour. I’ve been there. I know exactly what you mean by the subtlety of the anger in their voice. I ended up getting the actual physical shakes in the end when I heard that tone because I knew what the atmosphere would be like for the next couple of days.

Dunkerke · 23/10/2020 11:24

Hi both,

First of all, thanks for your insight. I really appreciate it.

@celticmissey: I see. Sorry to hear about your experience, and hope you found a better life since then.

There's no chance for ADHD in his case. It must be something else. He does have a slightly troubled relationship with his parents, very different to mine, and I frequently think that is at the root of his issues.

Your (past) situation does sound worse than mine. I don't feel like I am "always" walking on eggshells. It is just sometimes. I do know for sure that when he's in the loving stage, it will end somehow, sooner or later, as he'll become annoyed.

@pointythings: thanks for the input. I do feel like the situation is draining me emotionally and mentally. I have read several threads about emotional abuse and I wouldn't say it's as bad as other people describe it, so I wouldn't want to exaggerate either. I do have the feeling that as time goes by he feels more comfortable expressing his anger (in reality, frustration or sadness) freely, not showing much restrain at all.

If I try to discuss boundaries/ his lack of restrain, I am victimising myself and making it all about myself, he withdraws even further and he says meaner things to me, so discussing is not an option. He will go on to say that I don't "see" him because I am so self-centred and obstinate (he thinks that is the only reason why I am trying to discuss his behaviour, instead of apologising). He feels abandoned. This leaves us both feeling disconnected obviously as I feel as if he doesn't care about me enough to pay attention to what I'm saying and compromise.

I do doubt myself at these times. What am I doing wrong? Is it true that I am so obstinate that I can't empathise? To some extent it sure must be true. We don't have the best communication patterns after all.

If I want to discuss, I have to be ready to leave, and honestly I am not ready. I love this man very much.

I am not sure if this message makes much sense, but I tried to explain the situation as clearly as possible.

Thanks again everyone.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/10/2020 11:34

It’s not you, it’s him. You were targeted by this man and deliberately because he saw something here (anxiety) that he could and indeed has exploited.

Make no mistake about it, his relationship with you is an abusive one and his actions towards you are not loving ones. It takes planning and time to leave, you can quietly plan your exit from this. Knowledge here is power and I would urge you to contact Women’s Aid as well as the Rights Of Women organisations.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/10/2020 11:35

Abuse too is Not about communication or a perceived lack of, it’s about power and control.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 23/10/2020 11:36

Do not have children by him.

BaconMassive · 23/10/2020 11:38

Open the bin. Pop him in. Move on.

Dunkerke · 23/10/2020 12:06

Hi @MellowMelly,

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my thread. It really helps to be heard and to have the (more experienced) perspective of others.

Regarding our imperfections, I suppose he puts up with many of mine regularly. I am aware of it. It is just sometimes that he lets the resentment build up and then he snaps. Honestly it is hard for me to know how fed up he is at a given moment because he does not communicate properly. I fully agree with your description of what a healthy relationship should look like in this sense.

The fact that the weekend will "suck" is not entirely his fault, I'm sorry if I made it sound that way. I try to not give people the silent treatment as I know it's counterproductive, but when I am hurt, I find it very hard to act "normally". I cannot walk up to him right now and hug him for instance. I need my time to come to terms with the hurtful things he said, and he'll be able to tell that I am hurt, "withdrawing" love, avoiding him. In turn, he'll become more frustrated. This all results in a sudden end to intimacy, trust and love.

I am sure it is not the healthiest way to resolve conflict but it's the only way I have. I am not sure if I should force myself to act lovingly when I don't feel like it, but I know that I feel humiliated and he doesn't want to hear a word about that.

I wish he would just apologise and we could forget about it.

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Rammingspeed · 23/10/2020 12:17

The cycle will just keep recurring. He will wear you down and then move on when he is good and ready.

Rammingspeed · 23/10/2020 12:17

Start planning your exit.

Thingsdogetbetter · 23/10/2020 12:21

Remember he was already pissed off BEFORE he saw you had washed the item. He was spoiling for a fight when he woke up and the item was just a convenient excuse. If it wasn't that he'd have found something else.

He seems to have learn all the counselling lingo (victimising yourself, abandoning him etc). This is not normal everyday language, he leant this somewhere and is now twisting it round on you. This is a reason counselling is not advised in relationships with abuse - the abuser twists what they learn to justify themselves and twists it to make it the abused issues. Is it possible he was in relationship counselling for the same problems in a previous relationship? What does he say about previous relationships?

I've been with my second husband 10 years. I've NEVER walked on eggshells. NEVER. And never in any of my previous relationships except one - with an abuser. Sometimes is still too much. If he put shit in your tea sometimes but not every time would you still accept cups of tea from him?

In your attempts to not exaggerate, I fear you are minimising to yourself instead. Do more research into dysfunctional and abusive dynamics. Into how abusers get you to doubt yourself, to minimize, to deny that it's actually abuse. And be honest with yourself. If you don't love him, how would you feel about his behaviour? If he was your best friend's husband? Or a daughter's? If he treated you like this when you first meet, would you have married him? Or even dated him?

The book "why does he do that?" might open your eyes. Your love for him cannot 'fix' him, but it could destroy you.

Agree with pp, do not get pregnant and be very very careful with your contraception. I predict he will sense you pulling away and start the whole love bombing trick and if you want children this will be his hook to reel you back in!

Dollyrocket · 23/10/2020 12:23

If you cannot talk or discuss anything, because he blows up and refuses to accept any responsibility then you’re pretty doomed to repeating this cycle until one of you leaves.

Thingsdogetbetter · 23/10/2020 12:43

I think you've misunderstand what 'silent treatment' actually is. Did this description of your behaviour as silent treatment from from your husband by any chance?

It is not a temporary processing time for when someone is hurt. It is not a temporary withdrawal of affection due to an argument or insult. I certainly am not immediately affectionate with my dh if we have a row. I can't flip a switch and jump from annoyed with him to normal affection in a split second. There are emotions involved - I'm not withdrawing love, I'm processing minor negative emotions.

It IS a deliberate abusive method to punish someone and control them. To make discussing an issue so difficult the victim is trained not to bring things up because stepping out of line can mean days or weeks of being ignored. It is used to stop the victim doing certain things, like meeting friends, because the fallout of being ignored for days makes it not worth the effort.

EKGEMS · 23/10/2020 13:51

"I wish he would just apologize" I think you're not ready to accept how outsiders view his disproportionate rage and threats and immaturity. One day you'll realize you don't deserve treatment like this and you'll demand respect by walking away-hopefully before your self esteem is totally gone by his emotionally draining behavior

Dunkerke · 23/10/2020 14:03

Hello all,

Thanks again for your replies.

I know this kind of manipulation (love bombing to get one's way) happens in abusive relationships but I don't think this is the case, at all. I don't feel manipulated like that, but rather subject to his volatile mood. I don't know if I'm making it sound worse than it is but what you describe is almost psychopathic behaviour I think. He is not premeditative like that, but rather impulsive. He is a decent person all in all.

He doesn't give me the silent treatment in the way you are describing, @Thingsdogetbetter. Thanks for the explanation though. I think too I was confused about the real meaning of this mechanism. This made me actually realise that what I need is time to process negative emotions, thank you.

The reason I am scared of bringing issues up is that it never has a positive outcome. My sadness is not met with empathy because he's too busy with his own, and it results in failed communication and hurt feelings for both.

Regarding the usage of terms used in therapy, he does not use the ones I mentioned literally. He never received therapy and is quite skeptical about coaching/ counselling. He just expresses his feelings about the situation and that is my understanding, or summary, of the ideas he usually tries to convey. Eg. you are always concerned about the way YOU feel, it's all about YOU, MY feelings are invisible to you, because you are the victim = you victimise yourself.

Thank you for the book recommendation. I will look it up.

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Dunkerke · 23/10/2020 14:06

BTW he just walked in the room as if nothing had happened, thanked me for something, and seemed shocked that I looked upset.

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TheDowagerDuchessofMwwwahaha · 23/10/2020 14:28

Clearly, clearly emotional abuse even from your OP. I agree with the recommendation of the Bancroft book.

You can never trust the good time’s because you know he will soon turn on a sixpence. You will always be walking on eggshells not knowing what will change his mood. The only thing you can do is leave.

TheDowagerDuchessofMwwwahaha · 23/10/2020 14:29

He isn’t shocked you’re upset. He’s glad. Read the Luncroft book about this.

nc1962 · 23/10/2020 14:50

OP he sounds very like my ExH. He didn't particularly love bomb me other than with kind words at the beginning. But I spent years tiptoeing around his moods, desperately trying to get to the bottom of what had set him off and thinking if I could fix the problem, it would stop. Of course it didn't, because the moods would have just been about something else if the apparent cause was removed. It took me getting so bad with anxiety that I had a nervous breakdown to get me to leave. Walking on eggshells was the defining feature of my life for years but now when I look back I see that other relationships I've been in didn't involve that at all. I know now it was him and there was absolutely nothing I could do to change it. Every time I tried to have a calm conversation he turned it round on me, he never once apologised for anything. I never got anywhere and never would have done. You need to get out of this before it wears you down to the point I got to. As people say; It takes a long time to put yourself back together but only a few moments to fall apart

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