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Husband's mood swings are unpredictable?

43 replies

Dunkerke · 23/10/2020 09:41

Hello all,

I have been married for a little over 4 years (without kids) and I am finding it increasingly hard to cope with my husband's mood swings.
Here's an example: We're celebrating a special occasion. He pampers me, gives in to my wishes (I wanted to go on a short trip, he wouldn't be thrilled about the plan normally), goes out of his way to organise something special the next day just for me. He is all sweet and caring, giving me back rubs, saying loving words to me. It feels genuine.

I'm looking at the calendar and this state lasted exactly 8 days.

Today he was clearly pissed since he woke up. His didn't greet me with a kiss in the morning, he came looking for me, asking about something I misplaced (by washing it and putting it somewhere to dry). This is an object he uses in his morning routine and it was dirty. I use it too sometimes, and I am the one who bears the mental load of the house chores, so I washed it. He wanted to know why I had washed it? By the tone of his voice I could tell he was subtly defiant and annoyed, so after calmly answering some of his questions, I became impatient and did not apologise. I said, in a rather condescending, "please-stop-it" way tbh, "I wash it if it needs to be washed". It seems he was expecting an apology though.

It is worth mentioning that he becomes very sensitive about misplaced things. I understand that. I CANNOT understand why he would pick an argument over something like this.

He then blew up, kind of. Began threatening me with getting rid of all my stuff. "I'll do it, you'll see, it's all going in the trash". He says I misplace and get rid of all his stuff and then I fill the house with mine (I never throw out his stuff). He told me the condescending tone in my replies destroys "everything" (meaning the loving environment, the trust) and that is what made him angry. I did not reply once to his threats about throwing out my stuff and simply said that his mood swings were unpredictable and asked why the sudden change? It's been a few hours since you were rubbing my feet on the couch.

This kind of behaviour and unpredictability makes me feel cynical and numb. He can be loving, caring and an amazing person. But then sth small happens and he reconsiders everything, hides behind his shell.

I never know exactly what triggers these mood swings and I find myself doing mental gymnastics to try to find the one remark or small event that's at the root of it. I just know it's going to happen. Perhaps I am not very good at identifying weak spots, I don't know.

Please note that I am by no means perfect. I can be self-centred as I have anxiety issues and it prevents me from paying attention to what is going on around me. He has told me before that he sometimes feels abandoned because of this, or that he feels like he gives and gives and gets no generosity in return. I understand that these things take a toll on him and he's not very good at expressing his feelings. But still I feel like there are red lines for me which I could never cross or he would leave me or make a huge deal out of it, while in the heat of the moment he takes the liberty to talk to me the way he likes. He can become offended by the tone of my voice but I just have to ignore the fact that he threatened me with throwing out all of my stuff and move on. I believe I always measure my words when I speak to him, trying not to say something offensive.

The question is how to handle this now? How to embrace the imperfect man that is my husband and forgive him? I probably shouldn't make a big deal out of it, but I can't bring myself to ignore it happened. I can already tell that the weekend is going to suck.

Again, I am posting here because it is a recurrent pattern.

Would you apologise and move on? Am I making a big deal out of sth small?

Thank you in advance for your time and help.

OP posts:
holrosea · 23/10/2020 14:57

OP, I say this with kindness but it is a little frustrating watching the vast majority of PP suggesting that this sounds like emotional abuse and saying that your husband is choosing to act unkindly towards you, but you are deflecting their advice at every time.

I was holding off after your OP because there are plenty of wise women on here who have already been through this type of situation who are well placed to advise you. However, I went cold at your post about how he turns every discussion of his behaviour into how selfish you are, how invisible he is and how you're acting the victim.

This description will have struck a chord with anyone who has been a victim of emotional abuse. Look up FOG (fear, obligation, guilt) because it sounds like he is twisting any examination of his behaviour into a gaslighting and guilt tripping operation.

As a side note, no one is perfect but a respectful partner should be willing to discuss their behaviour, especially if it is causing concern or upset. That's not to say that they are obviously in the wrong and must change in every case, but equal partners can discuss things and give each other feedback without fear.

Dunkerke · 23/10/2020 15:37

Hi, and thank you for your messages.

@holrosea, I understand what you are saying, and I'm sorry if it sounds like I'm trying to "deflate" or invalidate anyone's advice or opinion. I'm sure everyone who replied here is far more experienced than I am and I respect their judgement. I can only imagine what some of you have been through.

My concern is rather that I am making the situation sound worse than it is in this thread. After all, it is my perception of the events. Yes, I am hurt and disappointed, but I don't always walk on eggshells. I don't feel like he tries to manipulate me to have his way either (I would bet my life on this one). I think for instance the situation described by @nc1962 sounds much worse. That's my opinion at least.

To be honest, like someone else said in a another comment, I am not ready to accept certain ideas or to leave. I was half hoping someone would try to convince me to fix things, somehow. This is where I'm at right now. I am trying to cope with all that's going on.

I do appreciate immensely all your messages and I will go back to reading them in the upcoming weeks as I have a lot of thinking to do. This feedback has been helpful to me already.

OP posts:
Dunkerke · 23/10/2020 15:40

BTW—Thanks for the tip, I will look up FOG. And I wholeheartedly agree with the last part of your message. I feel very uneasy about our inability to discuss behaviour and I do not think it is normal.

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holrosea · 23/10/2020 15:53

Hi OP. I completely understand that you don't want to go from a feeling of unease about his mood swings directly to "my partner is abusive & I must leave". However, I'd say that no abusive relationship starts that way.

All relationships start by convincing someone you're right for them & no one is going to achieve that through snark, bad moods & name calling. People often find that abusive behaviours show themselves after certain milestones, moving in, moving away from family, after the wedding, during a pregnancy, for example. At each of these stages, the victim has "more to lose" in the classic relationship sense, and may be more incrementally dependent on the (now) absuer. There is also the sunken costs fallacy that, having out in 4 years, they can't just throw it away.

No one can make you leave and everyone here is talking with the benefit of hindsight. If nothing else, I would suggest that you seek counseling. I think they would reassure you that your non-agressive communication is actually quite sound & they may reassure you about your boundaries (I. E. It's him, it's not you). Also, they are impartial.

MellowMelly · 23/10/2020 16:30

I don’t at all think you’ve made it sound worse than it is. It’s just that some of the things in your posts stand out as a pattern of behaviour many of us have seen.
Reoccurring cycles of behaviour
He woke up in that mood for no reason
His ability to deflect back on you
You saying you have to think before you speak just in case you might offend him
You seem apologetic about your behaviour yet it was he that started the ball rolling over some item he uses for his morning routine
Spiteful threats
He seems to be making you question your behaviour (rather than looking at his own)
Allowing resentment to build up rather than communicating normally
Now he is done he has snapped back to Mr Nice
The behaviour increased after marriage

He doesn’t have to be like it all the time. I have nice memories of my ex in between his cycles of volatile moods.

You sound like a very pleasant level headed person. I’m sure he is lovely in so many other ways but it’s bothered you enough to come on here and write about it.

Anyway we can see you want to fix it. Hopefully he will want to fix things too if he genuinely cares. Have you tried talking to him about these things and to find a better way to communicate with each other?

TeaLibrary · 23/10/2020 16:40

You must be exhausted trying to keep up with his erratic moods and nasty behaviour. Do you honestly want to stay with a man who is deliberately manipulating and upsetting you and yes emotionally abusing you. You absolutely deserve better and you should start to weigh up whether your life would be better without him in it.

StoevPipeRules · 23/10/2020 16:55

OP, here's the thing. In a good marriage, you have to be a team, you have to respect and trust each other , you have to be able to communicate ... more or less.
I'm afraid I'm with PPs. "Love" - is kind of neither here nor there - this relationship is clearly not bringing out the best in him and he's frequently saying he's not happy. You're not happy.
If this marriage were a tree the council would be getting rid of it.
You say you love him but you love an idea of him you have in your head. The real guy, the one that acts up and neither apologizes nor attempts to stop, the guy that complains about the marriage but doesn't DO anything - not.loveable.

billy1966 · 23/10/2020 17:14

He sounds awful.

Please make sure your contraception is sorted.

Flowers
Somefantasticplace · 23/10/2020 17:22

I'm afraid I have to agree with others here OP.

I wasn't walking on eggshells all the time after 4 years of marriage either but after 20 years and 2 DCs I certainly was. Like others here I lost myself and spent far too much of my life trying to work out what I had done to upset him, apologising for things when I knew I wasn't in the wrong and being told how uncaring I was when I did ALL of the household work and bore the entire mental load for the family.

I look back now and wonder how I let it go so far and I realise it was because of the good times in between and the subtle ramping up of the abuse (because that's what it is) over time. Also, I didn't want to break up the family when the DCs were small which is why it's so important to think hard about this before you have any.

I can never regret having my DCs but if I had it to do again I would have left him much, much sooner. Now I'm over 50 and starting again. I don't know if I can ever trust another man and that's sad.

I'm so sorry you are in this position, please read the Lundy Bancroft book. Sadly once your eyes have been opened to this you can't unsee it so stay strong Flowers

Huglikeabear · 23/10/2020 18:08

Have you seen jamaisjadores threads about her husband who sounds very similar? Her perspective reads like you in twenty years, with children. They all have "sulking husband" in the title.

Nanny0gg · 23/10/2020 18:25

OP. Its understandable that you're not going to suddenly jump on all the advice, agree that its abuse and upsticks and leave.

However. It would be a very good idea to read the recommended book.
Then keep coming back to this thread. Read what you've written and read the replies. Especially when it happens again.

And post any time you want further help.

madcatladyforever · 23/10/2020 18:36

I'm not surprised you have anxiety issues living with this pillock.
I would not stand for this, I'd leave. It is abuse and nobody needs to walk on eggshells all the time.

pog100 · 23/10/2020 18:53

You have had loads of good experienced advice bit it's basically very simple and you are over analysing, posting, tying yourself in knots.
You are not happy in this relationship, you will not be happy in this relationship, good relationships make you feel better, not make you spend hours on MN wondering what's wrong. Something is unkind about him. Do not have children with him, split and find someone where it all feels simple. Please.

Zaphodsotherhead · 23/10/2020 19:54

You aren't quite ready yet to fully see what kind of relationship you are in - that is fine. Perfectly understandable.

But you are gradually coming to understand that the way he treats you isn't all right. REGARDLESS of how imperfect you may be. Nobody is perfect, and the way we deal with it in relationships is to communicate our petty annoyances and irritations, so the other person understands how it impacts on them, and gives them chance to explain their point of view. Relationships are, by and large, a matter of two way give and take.

Yours doesn't sound like this. Read a few books, do a little bit more talking and reading on here. Do some thinking. We will still be here if you need to talk more.

everythingbackbutyou · 23/10/2020 21:44

@Somefantasticplace, you have a very similar story to mine. Currently unsure if I can ever have another relationship because I was so thoroughly duped. You're right - it is sad.

SandyY2K · 24/10/2020 02:24

I'll present an objective POV, as I think that's beneficial to you.

To be honest I think there could be contributing factors on both sides here.

Perhaps after 8 days of pampering, paying attention and lavishing you with affection, he reacted the total opposite way if he felt he got nothing in return from you.

His subsequent behaviour isn't acceptable by any means, but there seems to be more going on in the relationship.

Just as his actions have been described as abusive, he could perceive some of your behaviours in the same way.

As you said in your opening post, he has already mentioned how he doesn't feel he gets anything back from you.

I'm not sure either of you fully understands how the other feels and perhaps some therapy could help.

Before anyone says abuse is not recommended where abuse is present, I agree...but I'm not convinced this is an abusive relationship...at least not one sided abuse.

billy1966 · 24/10/2020 09:56

@pog100

You have had loads of good experienced advice bit it's basically very simple and you are over analysing, posting, tying yourself in knots. You are not happy in this relationship, you will not be happy in this relationship, good relationships make you feel better, not make you spend hours on MN wondering what's wrong. Something is unkind about him. Do not have children with him, split and find someone where it all feels simple. Please.
OP,

Your future does not have to be stressful and full of anxiety.

Try and recognise that you are in control.

Don't accept this awful situation and compound the stress by having innocent children with him.

You will NEVER have a happy secure home with him.

Do not inflict him on innocent children.

Flowers
Somefantasticplace · 24/10/2020 10:43

@SandyY2K I think that unless you have been in this type of relationship it is very hard to understand that it isn't just two loving people with a few issues. I say this kindly as I'm sure you are trying to help the OP.

Being hurt when you feel like you have been making an effort and it isn't returned is understandable. Waking up in a bad mood and taking it out on your partner, including threatening to throw out all of their things because they washed something that was dirty is not.

In my experience the big shows of affection were turned on and off like a tap while my day in and day out care, affection and attention were ignored. It was assumed that I'd always be nice and look after him and see to his needs and if anything (clothes, snacks) weren't where he wanted when he wanted I was told I was selfish and uncaring. Big, temporary shows of affection (especially in public I found) are easy, the daily grind is hard.

This kind of cycle of loving behaviour then moods and accusations wears you down and makes you so anxious that you don't know which way is up. I have been accused of being selfish, uncaring and having control issues and all of these are projections I now realise. No one in a relationship is perfect and as PP said, no one needs to be but no one should feel so off balance that they when things are good they are thinking ' this is nice, wonder how long it will last and what the next thing will be that I'll do to upset him'. This was my life and the times in between got shorter. It's no way to live.

Flowers to the others who have been there.

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