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am i being a dick about this?

107 replies

whatyonek · 17/10/2020 11:25

Met a lovely man about 5 months ago. Before anyone asks, yes we have complied with all lockdown based rules.

We got on amazingly from the start, lots of very very long phone calls, he is polite, fair with money, has a good job and great family, non intrusive but supportive. He’s very clear about wanting to be with me, doesn’t seem to be any games and he’s direct with me. He wants to meet regularly, he’s caring and considerate. Sounds great so far...

But he doesn’t seem to trust me. I’m quite flirty but have never cheated and wouldn’t, I wonder if this is why he gets quickly on edge about things. An example, I work long hours (as does he to be fair) and the odd occasions, not often with covid, I am late in the office. I’m literally there doing work and his texts become more frequent, checking I’m ok. I tell him that I am and then another message appears twenty minutes later. I don’t know if I’m being a huge brat but it makes me so annoyed! It’s the same when I am with a friend. Constant messages, even when I am seeing him hours later or the next day. Am I being a dick about this? I’ve talked to him about it and it makes zero difference.

Other times, on my birthday, he had got me a present and then when I couldn’t come over to his on the day we had arranged for my birthday as I had a stomach bug (on my actual birthday I had long standing plans with friends), he was understanding but decided to open my present and send me the image of it and said ‘this is what I got you.’ I found it manipulative and unnecessary...again maybe I’m being unfair here.

He is lovely and I really do want someone dedicated to me, I actually love how much we speak and text but sometimes when I say please can we speak tonight or I’m busy at lunchtime today or whatever it is, the messaging escalates.

He has never got angry with me directly but one time I called to say I was running ten mins late and he said that’s fine then my phone didn’t hang up immediately and I heard him swearing to himself saying fucks sake is she coming over or not! I asked him about this when I arrived and he said he didn’t know what I was talking about.

When I asked for a weekend apart he said he would do it but I should be aware that he will quickly lose feelings for me if we don’t see each other a lot. I don’t think he meant this in the toxic way it could be interpreted but it made me feel distant from him, like we can’t trust one another enough to enjoy time apart. In a way that makes me feel less like the relationship is good. I don’t know.

Maybe I’m being a dick?

OP posts:
AgentJohnson · 17/10/2020 11:52

Jesus op. How many more red flags do you need?

This. He’s controlling and you appear not to understand that dating means seeing if you are compatible, you aren’t, on a fundamental level. Move on already.

Remona · 17/10/2020 11:53

Jeez! You are not the one being a dick. He's being massively controlling. He's not respecting your boundaries at all.

And as for "...he will quickly lose feelings for me if we don’t see each other a lot." Wow.

Run for the hills. He's only going to ramp this up.

myshoelaces · 17/10/2020 11:55

Controlling and jealous. The longer the relationship goes on the more controlling he'll become.

DeciduousPerennial · 17/10/2020 11:57

Drop him like a hot potato: manipulative, threatening, controlling......

Run

HyacynthBucket · 17/10/2020 11:58

There is an idea that we attract to us people whose "pattern" fits. So what would you say OP is your pattern that has attracted this clingy manipulative person. There is no way in the world I could put up with the constant phoning and texting to check up and want to know where I am, etc. But this man would not have been drawn to me in the first place, and vice versa, as our patterns are just not compatible. The very fact that you queried on here whether it was you being a dick, and not him, in this uncomfortable situation is a sign that you are susceptible to this type of undermining relationship. Change your belief about yourself to somebody strong and independent, and you wll get a better, different kind of man who is happy to let you be confidently who you are. Give this one the bad news, now. Don't let him manipulate you any further. Star

baileys6904 · 17/10/2020 11:58

I was so ready to come on here ready to say you're being a dick, but you're really not.
Please lock at your relationship as if its your best friends. What would you advise her? It sounds massively controlling and manipulative, despite being early days.

I don't like syai g what to do, but you are definitely not being a dick

whatyonek · 17/10/2020 11:59

Honestly astonished that everyone is saying the same thing.

He is literally lovely in every other way though. I just get so frustrated with this sort of thing. He has such a nice family too and both siblings happily married.

OP posts:
Mistystar99 · 17/10/2020 12:00

He's being a dick. Very obviously. Run OP and don't look back.

cakeandchampagne · 17/10/2020 12:03

Red flags.

If you want a clearer picture of how not-lovely he actually is, ignore all of his calls and texts for a day, and don’t answer the door if he shows up at your home.

DeciduousPerennial · 17/10/2020 12:03

@whatyonek

Honestly astonished that everyone is saying the same thing.

He is literally lovely in every other way though. I just get so frustrated with this sort of thing. He has such a nice family too and both siblings happily married.

That’s how these people reel you in. The nice stuff will get less and less, the manipulative, mean, jealous, controlling stuff will get worse and worse, and in X amount of time you’ll turn around and wonder how the fuck you got to where you are when he’s alienated you from all your family and friends, you’re asking permission to do anything, you’ve given up your job, and reliant on him for money.

Run.

WellQualifiedToRepresentTheLBC · 17/10/2020 12:04

@whatyonek

Honestly astonished that everyone is saying the same thing.

He is literally lovely in every other way though. I just get so frustrated with this sort of thing. He has such a nice family too and both siblings happily married.

Would you drink a cup of tea that has a teaspoon of shit in it?

If you want your life and mh ruined, stay with him. See whether his lovely family etc makes up for that.

I married a man like this op, I'm speaking from bitter experience. You need to develop some self preservation instincts and fucking RUN AWAY.

whatyonek · 17/10/2020 12:04

I feel like I should also mention that I have no problem standing up for myself in a relationship. It’s not like I am meek and quiet.

He is very very nice in all other ways but these things drive me mad and I am on the cusp of ending it now. It’s not attractive to be contacted so much even when you’ve said you’re busy...!!

OP posts:
Sparklfairy · 17/10/2020 12:05

He is literally lovely in every other way though.

It's an act. Don't you get it?

The 'fucks sake is she coming over or not!!' that he didn't think you heard is his true colours, behind the mask.

dottiedodah · 17/10/2020 12:06

Whether he has a lovely family ,and happily married siblings is besides the point here!WTF is he doing opening your Birthday Gift and showing you! I think as others have said here .that he is jealous and controlling and not the "lovely man " He is pretending to be! More Red Flags than a choppy afternoon at the beach!

Serenity45 · 17/10/2020 12:07

He's not lovely OP he's disregarding your (reasonable) requests / feelings about the frequency of contact. I agree with PPs that this will gradually get worse if you stay with him. It sounds like you've already tried to make some space for yourself within the relationship, but he doesn't want you to have that. He wants you focused on HIM all.the.time.

It's such early days he should be on his best behaviour, so I'd be concerned that this is him reining himself in.

DeciduousPerennial · 17/10/2020 12:08

He opened your birthday present because you didn’t go round when you said you would! And he’s got you questioning if YOU’RE unreasonable for being peeved about that!

There is a pattern here and that is why EVERYONE here is saying the same thing: because he’s already distorted your perceptions of acceptable behaviour enough that you’re questioning yourself and not him.

DeciduousPerennial · 17/10/2020 12:09

The 'fucks sake is she coming over or not!!' that he didn't think you heard is his true colours, behind the mask.

He knew you heard. He was testing your boundaries.

rottiemum88 · 17/10/2020 12:10

He is literally lovely in every other way though

FFS if I had a pound for every time I’ve read someone say this on here. OP, you are only five months in. This isn’t the way it’s supposed to be.

If you don’t wake up to this now, you’ll be back here in a couple of years time when you’ve lost all your friends, aren’t able to do much as leave the house without him and wondering why you didn’t spot the signs because he was “so lovely” in the early days. Make note now - the signs were always there and he is absolutely not lovely.

VettiyaIruken · 17/10/2020 12:10

Don't ignore this.
Women who ignore this sort of behaviour end up in controlling relationships!

WellQualifiedToRepresentTheLBC · 17/10/2020 12:11

@whatyonek

I feel like I should also mention that I have no problem standing up for myself in a relationship. It’s not like I am meek and quiet.

He is very very nice in all other ways but these things drive me mad and I am on the cusp of ending it now. It’s not attractive to be contacted so much even when you’ve said you’re busy...!!

do you think that only women who are meek and quiet can be in controlling, abusive relationships? That confidence etc somehow protects you from men like this?

I am the least meek and quiet woman you can imagine. I still ended up in misery having to divorce such a man.

Controlling men often target confident women. They love, absolutely love breaking the spirit of a spirited woman. It is the ultimate high for them.

Never think your personal qualities will protect you from manipulative men. Anyone can be manipulated. The only protection is to instantly take action when you see a red flag. Never, ever spend time with anyone who tries to invade your boundaries and doesn't listen to you when you ask them not to do something. There is literally never an excuse for a man to behave like this guy has behaved.

CarolVordermansBum · 17/10/2020 12:12

My ex started off like that, all the constant messages etc seemed like they came from a good place, but as the relationship moved forward it got worse and worse , eventually I had time limits for every where i went, was isolated from friends and family etc. Once I was 5 minutes late coming home from the shop ( he gave me a 15 minute time limit and there was a huge queue so I wasn't home in time) and he accused me of cheating and actually asked to check my knickers for semen. I left 3 days later.

Cut him off like a diseased limb.

KenzoBaby · 17/10/2020 12:14

"I heard him swearing to himself saying fucks sake is she coming over or not! I asked him about this when I arrived and he said he didn’t know what I was talking about."

Gaslighting & lying to you in addition to everything pp have said.

Guiltypleasures001 · 17/10/2020 12:18

My ex in the early stages

Used to sit in his car outside the garages at the back of my house
And watch to see what time my bedroom light went off
25yrs on I still suffer from PTSD because of him
I was love bombed, cards and balloons always left on my car during work hours
Big bouquets sent to my work, it got embarrassing but I didn't know any better

After hour divorce he did the same thing to all the other women during the marriage and after, his newish wife fell for it too

MyGazeboisLeaking · 17/10/2020 12:19

Opened your birthday present?

OP - come on, even if you justify the frequent messages to yourself, surely you must know that that is the most strange thing to do?

PullTheBricksDown · 17/10/2020 12:19

What happens if you don't answer the calls and texts that keep coming when you're busy?

I should be aware that he will quickly lose feelings for me if we don’t see each other a lot

So he's a shallow person? Or a goldfish with a 7 second memory. Which is it?

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