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Help please re court case

41 replies

dublingirl66 · 15/10/2020 10:46

Hello all

You helped me many times here

I just wonder if you could help with the following

Ex mad man tried to kill me
He locked me in a room for ten hours and many times put his hands around my neck to strangle me

We had my father coming for dinner that evening and he stopped just before my father came and acted like nothing had happened !!!
My dad took pics of he and I
The abuser is now going through criminal court
He told the police that he has pics of me looking happy just after he tried to kill me and that there are no marks on my neck
I went to hospital the next day and have on record what he did thankfully !!

Will this photo carry any weight in court? Or is he just clutching at anything he can !! 😢😢

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Bunnymumy · 15/10/2020 11:02

You have pictures of the bruising. So his pictures really don't mean squat.

I suppose he could argue that your injuries were not done on the day you claimed but that would depend on - the camera angle (is there a clear shot of the injured area), the time stamp (are the photos dated in proof that they were taken that day) and how long bruising takes to develop.

The hospital has pics of the bruising to your neck then he can't claim you were never injured. So I wouldn't worry too much about his photos tbh. The smiling in them is neither hear nor their either, plenty of people put on whatever act they need to to keep them safe during abuse.

Bunnymumy · 15/10/2020 11:03

*sorry I mean you have hospital records of the bruising.

dublingirl66 · 15/10/2020 11:08

Thank you

Yes I have hospital records
His photos are not clear
He is insisting I made it up
Look how happy she is blah blah
Awful man !!!

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Bunnymumy · 15/10/2020 11:14

Pft, well he's fucked then. He's just trying to scare you. Probably hoping you will be too frightened/disheartened to testify. Block all contact with him, he's a shit. Hopefully he will get exactly what's coming to him on the day.

username501 · 15/10/2020 11:22

OP do you have any support for the case? Are you taking him to court in the UK or Ireland?

HollowTalk · 15/10/2020 11:29

I imagine a lot of victims of domestic violence have to put on a "happy" face to avoid more violence.

dublingirl66 · 15/10/2020 11:34

I hope he will

Don't have any contact with him

Don't have much help
I just worry how he will use this photo
Surely it will take hours for bruises to develop ?? Even the next day they were there but not that evening !!

Hate This man

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dublingirl66 · 15/10/2020 11:36

Plus I'm so used to thinking he is right and being in fear from him

So moving away from that has been a huge challenge

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Lowkee · 15/10/2020 11:39

Your statement will be the most important thing, along with the hospital report and any information your father can give on your state/bruising when he arrived. Just hang on in there and don't be put off by this muppet. Give your evidence and don't worry that one photo some muppet has of you 'looking happy' will carry weight.

LeaveMyDamnJam · 15/10/2020 11:40

Just because he says something, doesn’t make it true.

Mix56 · 15/10/2020 11:43

I suppose that that the actual time & date are not that important. If he tried to strangle you on Monday or Tuesday, the act happened.
You could have been smiling at your child, or indeed, or pasted on a smile trying to calm the situation so he didn't do it again.
You are strong dublingirl66. Good Luck

dublingirl66 · 15/10/2020 11:51

Thanks all

So true
But you grow so worried that he will win
That others will believe his intricate lies

Hate this man
Hate all abusers right now

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Bunnymumy · 15/10/2020 12:41

Abusers who strangle have high rates of going on to kill. Bloody lucky that you got out!

His shirt are often overconfident and it is their undoing. They think they can talk their way out of anything. But their arrogance works against them when they try to bullshit a jury. Let him show his wee photos. He'll dig his own grave.

Bunnymumy · 15/10/2020 12:41

*his sort

REignbow · 15/10/2020 13:06

Remember, you have records of this via the hospital etc. Which images/ records will they believe..? That, what is supported by an outside agency.

Also, it does not matter if he tried to strangle you on X date and you reported it on Y. The fact is, victims can be in shock and are unable to process the abuse until later.

IMO, he’s clutching at straws here.

Lowkee · 15/10/2020 14:58

Do you know whether you will be cross examined or be a witness? Or will your statement be sufficient? Please don't worry. Whenever it comes into your head, turn on some lively music or something. I recommend this one

We can all cheer you on if you want to keep posting as the time gets closer. Police are literally begging women to pursue complaints against their abusers/those who commit assault. You don't know just how far you've come in giving them your statement as evidence. Not everyone does it/can do it. Don't stop now. Don't let some stupid photograph that shows the sum total of NOTHING put you off getting justice and freedom from this cunt. Remember the fear you felt at that time and keep that focus. Your statement will carry immeasurable weight.

Lowkee · 15/10/2020 15:00

Here's another one for you to listen to

dublingirl66 · 15/10/2020 15:06

Yes exactly

Thank you all

Been so fricking worried

He pleaded not guilty so going to crown court in few months

Awful experience

Glad I fled and am still alive

He has nothing against me

But the fear kicks in when he starts sending nonsense to show did nothing wrong
When he bloody tried to kill me

Even got emails from him saying he just strangled me to scare me
Wtf !!??!!

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Dery · 15/10/2020 15:17

“Your statement will be the most important thing, along with the hospital report and any information your father can give on your state/bruising when he arrived. Just hang on in there and don't be put off by this muppet. Give your evidence and don't worry that one photo some muppet has of you 'looking happy' will carry weight.”

This. Also - how is he still in contact with you? You’re a witness in the case against him; there should be no contact. Do the police know he is contacting you? Do you have shared children or can you just block him?

dublingirl66 · 15/10/2020 15:32

Sorry this was after I went to police and before cps pressed ahead with charges

He was sending me all the evidence against me

That I was devil - lie
I shouted - lie
I made up false allegations
He sent pics to show how happy i was
Look no marks on her neck!!

Fcking cheek !!!!

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Dery · 15/10/2020 15:36

Understood. Good to know he’s not contacting you now. Don’t give it a second thought. The evidence in your favour is much more compelling.

By the way, I noticed what a brilliant job you did of supporting another poster who was faced with giving evidence in court. I think it was your example that persuaded her to go through with the case. I hope you have also got some proper support in real life.

dublingirl66 · 15/10/2020 16:01

Thank you very much

I can't tell my parents they have been ill

One friend knows

And I pretty much shut myself off from everyone else due to the absolute mortification

It is ridiculous the things these abusers do and the way they can still try to manipulate us

Hoping I can attend via video link when I get asked for my evidence

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newnameforthis123 · 15/10/2020 16:07

You poor thing, I'm so sorry.

I know it doesn't always happen but sometimes these cowards change their plea at the last minute if they realise you aren't going to back down.

So best case scenario he does that and pleads guilty and worst case scenario he doesn't but you're prepared for court anyway.

You have the power now over your next steps - you sound like you've done so well to get out.

Remember, the court knows that women being abused are forced, threatened and coerced into putting on a brave face when things are awful behind closed doors. His photo holds no weight whatsoever.

Sending you so much love Thanks

dublingirl66 · 15/10/2020 16:53

Yes so true
😘😘😘❤️

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justilou1 · 15/10/2020 17:05

He is trying to scare you out of going to court because he knows your case is so strong. He will probably plead guilty at the 11th hour to get a lighter sentence, but right up until then he’s going to employ every tactic he had to intimidate you in the hope that YOU chicken out first.
Please tell the police.

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