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Why am I scared of dh?

63 replies

Bubblemint · 08/10/2020 10:04

I’ve been with dh for 18 years, he’s 10 years older and was 30 when we met.
He’s never hit me. I number of times he’s lost his temper, like seriously lost his temper, is probably only in single figures. So why am I scared? When he loses his temper his face and voice changes completely and his eyes and he looks like someone else. I’m always keen to avoid this happening but maybe I should stand up to him? I don’t understand why I’m wary but I am, I think surely if he was going to harm me he would have by now.
So I am starting to think the issue is with me. Maybe I’m just so non confrontational that it’s made me feel scared of him losing his temper? It’s ridiculous isn’t it. I can’t udnerstand it myself.

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MoonJelly · 08/10/2020 10:55

Have you talked to him about this and suggested anger management? He must surely acknowledge that it's not OK to threaten to hit a child.

redvest · 08/10/2020 10:59

He doesn't need to get more aggressive or more angry or physically abusive, because his outbursts have the desired affect on you, which is to make you back down, become passive and be scared. Don't be fooled. He can see the fear and intimidation in your face and he sees that is enough to keep you under his control.

His tactic is about control, and he does this quite easily. Believe me he would escalate it if you confronted him on his behaviour. You are being abused and this is classic coercive control. You are doubting yourself, and believing you are the one with a problem.

You need to get out of this relationship and soon. It is destroying you and your self esteem.

Alexandernevermind · 08/10/2020 11:00

This is nothing to do with the age gap. You are projecting blame elsewhere again. It isn't your fault, it isn't the age gap's fault. The problem is his temper.

AlreadyGone44 · 08/10/2020 11:02

@Bubblemint I could have written your post, word for world. Including the thinking I'm overreacting and it wasn't as bad as I remember. I have anxiety and wonder sometimes if the reason I feel so scared of DH is the anxiety, if I'm overreacting or if it really is that bad. Im afraid of him. Not scared he'll hurt me physically. Scared he'll loose control again. Mentally and emotionally scared and scared.

@Techway "When I raised it he had zero empathy and blamed me. That is not the actions of a loving partner. I would be horrified if I scared a child or partner and would want to reassure and correct behaviour."
DH blamed me for his scary behaviour too. When I told him how he'd scared me his response was to tell me how awful I was being for telling him and upsetting him. No care for his he's made me. Apparently I should have just put up and shut up.

FizzyGreenWater · 08/10/2020 11:03

I feel if I really annoyed him he’d harm me, but I don’t know why I feel that when he’s done nothing really to make me think it.

Yes he has, he's done everything to make you think it. Been intimidating, lost his temper very quickly and unpredictably, threatened your son, demonstrated that his anger isn't reasonable and proportionate, it is uncontrolled - so potentially violent.

It's totally logical.

Your son feels the same.

His own father warned your family.

Why do you think for a moment this is some weird 'issue' of yours?

Your husband is an abuser. You don't have to be bashing the life out of someone to be nasty, abusive, controlling.

Please consider leaving - for your son's sake if not your own.

billy1966 · 08/10/2020 11:15

You and your child walk on eggshells because there is always the threat.

That's all he needs to do.

Your poor child growing up in such a toxic, damaging environment.

Your husband rules by fear of violence.

It is highly abusive and hugely damaging.

Please try and get out.
Flowers

MoonJelly · 08/10/2020 11:17

I suspect you haven't seen his temper that much because you tiptoe round him. What would your life be like if you didn't have to do that?

Techway · 08/10/2020 11:31

@AlreadyGone44, I am sorry you have gone through similar. Are you still there?

Looking back I tried everything to highlight in a gentle way how his reactions were scary. Pointless in reflection as his lack of empathy allowed him to treat me like that in the first place. At that stage I knew nothing of covert narcissism which was the lightbulb moment. It is still hard to "get" it but since our divorce he has acted similarly to our children - usually when he doesn't get his way.
They describe it the same way, something in his face changes which is terrifying.

All of us relate to anger, it is not an negative emotion, indeed it is sometimes necessary but if we cross a line and our children or spouse flag up their concerns then it is abusive to not respond.
My dc make me cross at times but if I ever lost it to a level that they were afraid I would do whatever to resolve it and rebuild trust. This is the healthy response.

An unhealthy abusive response is to deny, blame and not modify behaviour.

pelagra · 08/10/2020 11:34

Have you any past experience of other people being dangerous when they get angry? Could it be that you are seeing the danger signals you associate with someone else - perhaps a previous partner or someone from your childhood?

category12 · 08/10/2020 11:36

If your son is wary of his dad, you really need to pay attention to that.

That's not right.

It sounds like your gut instinct is that underlying your dh's general demeanour, there's a very angry, potentially dangerous man.

PamDemic · 08/10/2020 11:51

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MyCatHatesEverybody · 08/10/2020 11:58

So he's lost his temper in single figures in 18 years and you're all calling him an abuser????? WTF?

From what OP describes it'd clearly be a lot more than that if she and her DS didn't walk on eggshells to make sure they didn't trigger him off.

Nowstrong · 08/10/2020 12:14

Nobody. Nobody! Should be afraid of his/her partner. The age gap has nothing to do with him using his occasional temper to keep you all under his thumb. Control by fear. LTB. Get your ducks all in a row and LTB.

Lillygolightly · 08/10/2020 12:15

I understand OP,

I am the kind of person who hates confrontation too and I will usually avoid it where possible. The thing is however that it is impossible to avoid ALL confrontation when with a partner, in fact confrontation is necessary at times so that you may enforce boundaries and not be walked all over.

I’m pretty laid back as person but one of the few things I can’t stand in life is people who are unpredictable. It took me until I was in my 30s to understand why I would dislike or be wary of certain people for what seemed to be no reason at all. I used to feel like I was the unreasonable one. That was until it dawned on me that the reason that I was wary was because their behaviour was either unpredictable or irrational to me. I think it’s very easy to underestimate just how important it is to know where you stand with a person, to be able to trust that you are safe with them and that disagreements shouldn’t escalate to a point where you feel scared or fearful of that person’s response.

For you I think it’s not only that your DH can lose his temper, it’s the things he can lose his temper at. If those things don’t seem rational or predictable to you, so of course going to make you feel wary. There are certain things everyone in life can understand someone losing their temper over, however if someone can also lose it over random and insignificant things, like say a light being left on or the pepper being put back in the wrong place then your in a position of just never knowing what might set them off, even if these instances a few and far between, they are not predictable and they are not understandable. This leaves you, and rightly so, feeling wary and unbalanced and untrusting that your DH’s reaction to any given thing, because you just never know when it’s coming.

For example; something terrible happens where you expect him to lose his temper but perhaps he doesn’t. Something minor happens and yet he flies off the handle. This sort of thing is bound to have you scratching your head because as I say you’ve no reliable indicator as to what sort of things may have him lose his temper or not, which is very destabilising for you. This is most likely where your fear and anxiety comes from, not because you can attribute it to some terrible act or violence towards you, but because you simply don’t know what is coming or when, and when someone is so unpredictable what’s coming could indeed be the worst thing, you just never know!. You’ll have no idea what to expect or when to expect it because he gives no indicators, no warning signs and there is no predictability to the things that may cause this behaviour. Therefore, the only thing to do, which is what you have been doing (and probably unknowingly) all this time, is walking round on eggshells trying to keep everything calm because anything, ANYTHING could set him off and when he goes into such a rage it’s so explosive that your never sure whether he will just shout, break things, or put his fist through your face, EVEN if he has never done that before! The point is, is that you don’t know, and you don’t trust that he won’t do that EVER. It’s like you have a sixth sense telling you that if he was pushed far enough that’s exactly what he would do!

Weirdfan · 08/10/2020 12:35

Just thought these might be useful OP, links to free pdf versions of two of the books PP's have mentioned.
www.docdroid.net/yrC8MoB/the-gift-of-fear-pdf
www.docdroid.net/py03/why-does-he-do-that-pdf

Colourmeclear · 08/10/2020 13:28

His behaviour upsets you. If he isn't willing to change his behaviour, acknowledge your hurt or respect your feelings then you really need to think about leaving. That kind of disrespect will be there subtely in lots of other areas. It's a life where you're only half alive. Therapy on your own could be really useful here. It was what made me realise I deserved better. I knew my relationship wasn't serving me but I just couldn't pinpoint why. I thought it was my failing as a woman.

I walked on eggshells too because of my ex's temper. I was so afraid, if we went grocery shopping and I forgot to pick something up on the way round I was too afraid to tell him because I thought that 30 seconds for me to go back and get it would be too much for him and he would explode, so I went without and blamed myself for being so stupid to forget in the first place. It's like living on crumbs that are never enough, are only temporarily satisfying and you get weaker day by day. He never hit me either and I wonder if I had stood up for myself whether that door, table etc would have been me. I'll never know but what I do know is that life is 100% better when not living in fear, spending every minute of the day on damage control and only speaking when I was spoken to.

Lozzerbmc · 08/10/2020 13:38

You can’t think am i reasonable to be scared.... If you’re scared, you’re scared. How awful for your child to be spoken to, well threatened, in that way. You probably avoid the temper because you are walking on eggshells. Thats no way for you and your child to live. Have you family who could help you?

BubblyBarbara · 08/10/2020 13:42

So he's lost his temper in single figures in 18 years and you're all calling him an abuser????? WTF?

You should never lose your temper with loved ones! If my late husband had ever raised his voice to me I would have left immediately. It boggles my mind the sort of disturbing behaviour cool mums tolerate nowadays.

JamesTKirkcompatible · 08/10/2020 13:53

if anyone ever said to my child they would hit them so hard they couldn't see straight.... I would not wait to see if it ever happened but leave... after collecting lots of evidence of abuse for the forthcoming legal battle about him having only supervised access.

Bubblemint · 08/10/2020 17:09

But he only said it. He hasn’t done it.
He doesn’t spend much time with ds if I’m honest so I think there is reduced capacity for these incidences just from an exposure perspective.
If I left he might actually have more unsupervised time with him - which would make it worse possibly?

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Pacif1cDogwood · 08/10/2020 17:14

Trust your instincts.

However to only lose your temper like that a handful of times in 18 years is probably not bad?

How much shit in a cup of tea is acceptable? A trace? A crumb? A tea spoon? A larger dollop?
The ONLY acceptable answer here is NONE. Absolutely none.

Walking on eggshells is a form of emotional abuse. He is keeping you in check with the threat/the potential for violence. And your ancient lizard brain instincts have recognised this by making your fearful of him.

Only you can decide whether living like this is what is best for you and your DS. I'd argue probably not. Terrible example for your DS to learn from tbh.

joystir59 · 08/10/2020 17:16

I'm 63. I have a several long term serious relationships and several casual relationships and several one night stands. I'm all.of those relationships and connections I have never felt afraid and noone has ever threatened violence. Your DH is an aggressive man.

Pacif1cDogwood · 08/10/2020 17:17

Have a look at The Freedom Program and see if you can recognise some patterns.

Bubblemint · 08/10/2020 17:27

He was only the second relationship I’ve ever had. My other one went from 17-19 and it’s true - I don’t remember ever feeling frightened. But I wasn’t living with my boyfriend then, it wasn’t the same.
I suppose I just doubt myself. I think no one is perfect, and it’s not all the time or every day. But then we don’t see him much.
There is inequality in terms of the money we have and I feel powerless a lot of the time, but again - is that me? Because I am so non confrontational and don’t like difficult. Do I just avoid it?

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slidingdrawers · 08/10/2020 17:35

@Bubblemint

But he only said it. He hasn’t done it. He doesn’t spend much time with ds if I’m honest so I think there is reduced capacity for these incidences just from an exposure perspective. If I left he might actually have more unsupervised time with him - which would make it worse possibly?
If there is any risk of violence (arguably there is from what he has threatened), he would only be granted supervised contact.