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He’s always off somewhere

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RussetandGold · 05/10/2020 07:45

He works in a place 3.5 hours’ drive away, two nights a week. We recently got back from his second home, 12 hours away. The next day he visited his daughter who’s 1.5 hours away.

He has a camper and is ready to jump in it at any given time.

He talked last night about the desire sometimes to just “keep driving”.

He neglects his appearance - will shave on the hoof, sometimes forgets his toothbrush, doesn’t always think about clean clothes.

Is anyone else’s DP like this? We’ve been together nearly 3 years.

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Regularsizedrudy · 07/10/2020 12:24

Fucking grim. He wants to live with you because he wants you to become mummy “don’t forget to brush your teeth, don’t forget to do your washing”. No thanks.

iluvgab · 07/10/2020 12:41

Living together would put down domestic roots. I guess it's what I want! Who doesn't want a beautiful home together...baking bread, beautiful features, tidy bedrooms. It appeals to my stable side.

Sounds idyllic... but it won't be like that if you set up home with him. It will be chaotic and you will constantly be tidying up with him in order to have the kind of beautiful home you want.
Have your own beautiful home and separate finances.

RussetandGold · 07/10/2020 13:01

@jessstan1

I wouldn't like the lack of personal hygiene (always keep a spare toothbrush), but, other than that, it sounds ok. I wouldn't call him a 'partner' though, just a boyfriend.

How old is he? I know a chap who lives like that - in his sixties I think - divorced, three adult children (he parked his camper in the drive of one son for a while); sold his house to finance trips. He thoroughly enjoys the life but it won't go on forever, he'll settle down and buy a place sooner or later.

Yes I think I will keep suggesting toothbrush etc. We are partners. He prefers us to be calling ourselves that, and we already share finances, to an extent, and “live” together but it depends on your definition, I guess.

Yeah, he’s late 50s. I thought the same - it can’t go on forever- but actually, I’m beginning to wonder if it can! He says he wants a shared base but I can’t imagine he’d find it easy to live in a house.

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RussetandGold · 07/10/2020 13:02

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

sometimes forgets his toothbrush, doesn’t always think about clean clothes

Too grim to contemplate Confused

Toothbrush thing doesn’t happen much. I love him and it’s ok to contemplate but needs addressing.
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RussetandGold · 07/10/2020 13:02

@Regularsizedrudy

Fucking grim. He wants to live with you because he wants you to become mummy “don’t forget to brush your teeth, don’t forget to do your washing”. No thanks.
No, I don’t think that’s true. I don’t think he does want mummying in the way you describe.
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RussetandGold · 07/10/2020 13:03

@iluvgab

Living together would put down domestic roots. I guess it's what I want! Who doesn't want a beautiful home together...baking bread, beautiful features, tidy bedrooms. It appeals to my stable side.

Sounds idyllic... but it won't be like that if you set up home with him. It will be chaotic and you will constantly be tidying up with him in order to have the kind of beautiful home you want.
Have your own beautiful home and separate finances.

Yeah... to be fair, I thought this current home (I.e. my house) would be like this, but it isn’t. Just goes to show. Maybe best to keep this as fantasy.
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billy1966 · 07/10/2020 13:22

A shared home ultimately may mean, with a man 10 years your senior, having entwined finances, a possible carer situation.

Think living "together but apart".

You spent time together, enjoy that timebut ultimately your homes and responsibilities stay separate.

Whether you think he wants it or not, by him being chaotic in his living and lifestyle......you inevitably will get sucked into the fixer/organiser role...

Don't do it.
Enjoy your relationship for its strengths and protect yourself from its inherent weaknesses.

Once emeshed with home and finances...it is so messy to extricate yourself.

Proceed with cautionFlowers

RussetandGold · 07/10/2020 13:27

Yes, you are right. I have to watch out for myself, because I do fall into this carer role rather easily. Equally (although I don’t think she minded & this wasn’t why they split up), his exwife fell into this carer role in a way, and I know she struggled.

Yes, I think that’s an excellent “strap line” for this relationship... enjoy it for its strengths but protect myself from the inherent weaknesses. That is fabulous.

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WinWinnieTheWay · 07/10/2020 13:30

Is this new behaviour or has he always been like this?

If new, you need to agree what works for both of you and if he was always like that why is it bothering you now?-

RussetandGold · 07/10/2020 13:34

No, he’s always been like this.

It’s bothering me now because he was talking about having a shared base. I’ve been offered some well paid work, and I began to question why it is that I do not want to commit fully to his idea of buying a house together. Part of the reason is because he’s always buggering off!

Also, we’ve travelled so much lately that I’m pretty exhausted.

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RantyAnty · 07/10/2020 13:35

What does he do for work? His lifestyle sound expensive.

Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel · 07/10/2020 14:03

Jesus OP, late 50s! That's way older than I thought he would be. You defend everything that you complain about. Pull him up or shut up I'd say.

RussetandGold · 07/10/2020 14:13

@RantyAnty

What does he do for work? His lifestyle sound expensive.
Without outing him, he’s a specialist in his field and does it in a sort of freelance way. Only has to be in the office two days a week, the rest done from home.

It is a costly lifestyle but he can afford it.

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RussetandGold · 07/10/2020 14:14

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

Jesus OP, late 50s! That's way older than I thought he would be. You defend everything that you complain about. Pull him up or shut up I'd say.
That’s an interesting observation! Maybe it’s because I’m trying to understand him - also to some extent, I like the lifestyle.
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RussetandGold · 07/10/2020 14:15

@Anotherlovelybitofsquirrel

Jesus OP, late 50s! That's way older than I thought he would be. You defend everything that you complain about. Pull him up or shut up I'd say.
Meant to add - Pull him up or shut up I'd say.. I think there’s an in between, which is accepting it but being able to vent about it (such as on here).
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EarthSight · 07/10/2020 21:53

Wow - he is the polar opposite of my partner! He doesn't want to do anything (usually). Other than taking routine walks, going to routine cafes, he just wants to stay at home it's hard, but your partner is quite extreme at the opposite end too and that can be hard.

You say that if you lived together that you would be left at home for 5 weeks if he went on one of his projects - well he's done that already. He is already leaving to do off an do things expect you are left alone in a different house - yours. The clean clothes bit is bad - he needs to have good hygiene too otherwise it's going to put you off.

I think his sense of wonder and excitement is appealing to you but it might wear really thin over the years. Have a look if you can buy this book. He sounds like an absolutely classic 'explorer' type. -

www.amazon.co.uk/Why-Him-Her-Find-Lasting/dp/1851687920?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

EarthSight · 07/10/2020 21:56

I linked to a Youtube video, but it's a lot more in depth than that obviously!

RussetandGold · 08/10/2020 11:12

EarthSight Thank you so much for these insights! That's very interesting indeed - loved the YouTube information, Helen Fisher sounds like she knows what she's on about Smile

Yes, he's also the opposite of my ex-h, who, although liking of the great outdoors and mini adventures, would 'keep to base' generally and do routine stuff, too.

Partner is total opposite, yes. It's like he relishes in living in the smallest of spaces. He got back last night and mentioned that his campervan had run out of water so he took a shower using a 2l bottle of fizzy water instead. Confused Envy There was definitely a whiff about him. Dread to think what people in his office thought. But it remains his problem, and not mine, for as long as we have some separation in our lives. I just have to find a way of conveying this to him when the living-together conversation rears its head again.

You say that if you lived together that you would be left at home for 5 weeks if he went on one of his projects - well he's done that already*

He doesn't do these long periods much, but I think there have been, maybe, 3 occasions between 2 and 5 weeks, when he's been away and I haven't been able to join him. He does do a good job of including me, on the whole, but it's only because Ive kept work flexible that I can do this.

Yes, the expectation is that I can fend for myself while he's off (also during the working week when he spends these nights away). Well of COURSE I can fend for myself - I have my work, plus active social life, kids, etc - but the point is how it would feel in our shared home. It would feel like shit, being frank. I suspect I would end up in charge of the laundry and housework and stuff like that. No thanks!

So we have this vicious circle. Want to live together, but can't if it means living apart.

I think his sense of wonder and excitement is appealing to you but it might wear really thin over the years Yes, it was beginning to, when I started this thread. Things have been a bit better since he came back but I'm just wondering when the next stint will be, and the chaos which will ensue. He's already planning a long haul trip he hopes we can take once a COVID vaccine becomes available Shock

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RussetandGold · 17/10/2020 13:57

Just an update to say that I think we are splitting up Sad
I'm really gutted, but there is too much chaos.

I can't list it all here, but too many vehicles and ex partners and children and hobbies and movement. I've been expected - if I want to be with him - to dump my stuff and follow follow follow.

Hand hold would be appreciated, plus tales of wisdom, please... I feel so shit...

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cantarina · 18/10/2020 17:21

It might not feel like it at times but in the future you are most likely to look back and view this as a lucky escape. Take the days one at a time and the pain will ease eventually. From an outsiders perspective I can't see how you would have felt loved and settled if you moved forward with him. You've saved yourself a lot of future hurt. Be really kind to yourself for now, you have made the grown up choice.

RussetandGold · 18/10/2020 17:35

Thank you, @Cantarina. I keep coming back to this thread, to remember how it was. I have ended it properly now. The turning point came last week, when one of his cars broke down and I followed him to the garage and he did his work (highly paid, client facing profession) from there, with the garage people interrupting him. I was so shocked by his lack of professionalism. I don't want to be associated with that.

Then this weekend he took off again, with no clarity about when he was coming back. It felt like he couldn't be bothered to even come back to talk things through together. Maybe he was running away.

I am trying to analyse things, aren't I? Maybe best to focus on the fact that I will not have to live out of a suitcase again. I won't need to use smelly toilets in weird places. I will be able to focus on my career and future work, without having to work in pubs and bars.

Yes, it was very hard to feel loved and settled, you are right. I don't have to fear this any more. I don't have to be scared that he will up and off and leave me. No more worrying what I will do by myself - in a way, his taking off helped me to deal with my own company. I was able to contact all my friends and see them instead.

Thank you so much. Yes, I have saved myself a lot of future hurt. How true.

Oh but it does smart! Sorry for long post.

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Sssloou · 18/10/2020 18:21

I have read this thread with a feeling of YOU being dragged from pillar to post. I also (having been on MN for decades) was getting the feeling of him running out of money so selling up and buying one home would free him up financially and practically as YOU would be managing it.

His self care is deteriorating and impacting not just you but also his ability to earn. The description of his dirty van is gross,

I am also struck by where are your DCs when you are on the road? Where is their stable base, routine etc? Where are your friends, family, hobbies etc

Your instinct NOT to combine finances is spot on. Your fantasy for a beautiful home baking bread is an easy reality but difficult if you are managing someone else’s chaotic life,

Did you get to choose when and where you were heading off to or is it all related to his work?

I expect he has been through many similar relationships where the free spirit part is seductive - but the reality of showering in a dirty van is the reality,

Husband poor self care / hoarding etc reflects possibly a MH decline? Many v self absorbed? Doesn’t seem to have any empathy or respect for your needs,

Have you had a troubled childhood where your boundaries and growth of self where neglected? I wonder if you are tripping from one extreme RS to another - adapting to these men rather than knowing who you are, what your needs, wants, standards, desires, aspirations, hopes and dreams are?

RussetandGold · 18/10/2020 18:46

Hi @Sssloou I ended it earlier, but I will still reply to your post, as it can't do any harm to be reminded of how tough the past few months have been.

Yes! One other way might be to consider that I've been dragged around these places. I said to him that if I want to be with him, I have to follow. There's never any alternative.

We had had a good few talks over the past few weeks, and yes, there was always a feeling that he might run out of money at some stage. Although the job is well paid, it's a temporary contract and these vehicles and places to stay cost money! Not someone to trust financially. In fact, he did talk about me managing one of the homes. He thought it could be a project together, and made noises about me being named on the mortgage at one stage. I said NO WAY with this track record... only if things changed.

Well, they got worse. He was flakier than ever this weekend, tonight staying out yet another night, no sense of responsibility towards me, to come back and discuss our relationship. Yes, his self care has been dreadful, his sleep machine never used so he was still snoring. Yes, his dirty van was grim, and there were other grimy things about his other places of living.

You ask where my DCs are when they are on the road. Mostly at their father's when the travels happen. I had to slot back into mum mode every other week. Funny you mention friends, family, etc. because I have noticed that I couldn't ever make plans to see my friends, because I was following him around. Nobody made me, but if I wanted to see him, that's what I had to do.

At least I know what not to do for future romances. Maybe I could concentrate further on making this house a bit more homely now. No, I didn't get to choose much about the heading off - it was usually where his other house is, or where he works. Both happen to be pretty places, but sooo far away. Sometimes he would buy some piece of tat or other and we'd go and collect it - it didn't matter to him that it would be miles and miles away. Or we'd go and see one of his DCs. Of course, that was ok.

You're spot on about similar relationships where the free spirit bit is seductive. The other women then realise the truth. He had had a whole load of unsuccessful relationships, and I think this was a big part of it.

You ask if his poor self care & hoarding were MH related. He was on medication for depression but I think your other part is more apt, about being self-absorbed and a lack of empathy or respect for my needs. He just saw it that he was providing the 'fun', and what more did I want? Why would anyone want to dress up for dinner to a swanky restaurant? He turned up in his gardening trousers! Probably different standards and values.

Your last paragraph makes me want to cry. Yes, I did have a troubled childhood where I was hugely neglected. So did he - which was why I thought he would understand my pain. You are also spot on by wondering if that is why I went from my exDH who was boring and stable, to this chap. Both men made me feel like I needed to adapt to them. I don't have a good sense of my own stuff like you describe. It was fine when I was studying - the goals were clear - but now I am working and doing it 'by myself', I appear to have drifted, too. Time to get those things back in check.

Thank you sooo much!

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