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Possessions after separation - opinions please!

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Saggyoldsofa · 02/09/2020 15:29

NC for this post, in case anyone recognises me from description ...

Split with long term partner (15+ years, unmarried) 18 months or so ago, and am having very un-fun shenanigans over the financial shakedown. For various reasons we didn’t actually manage to sell our very large, old, flat till this summer. At that point, he bought a new flat, and I did the same. His came furnished as the previous owner was BTL investor and the vendor wanted it that way. We have our three children for exactly equal portions of the week.

When it came to time to sell old place, he said he wanted/ could take very few of the possessions & furniture. Lots of our stuff was at the end of its life – think 13 year old sofa and 9-year-old bed although some of the appliances were newer. I did want the bed and have offered to allow £1,000 against that even though it is fairly old and has seen 3 co-sleeping kids through (!) because I said I wanted it, and that seemed fair to me.

So, I had to take the majority of stuff with me, to clear the old place out to enable the rather rushed sale. We had exactly one week’s notice of simultaneous exchange and completion date, and so selling unwanted stuff online wasn’t really an option. I have the lion’s share of the guff in my new (smaller) flat now, and he is having to buy new things for his place.

His sol has apparently advised him to cost all our joint possessions on a new-for-old basis, and ask me to, essentially, settle up with him on that basis. Initially he suggested that this meant that I should pay him slightly over £5,000.

I think this is mad, and have offered for him to come and take half the things he says he will have to re-purchase (like sofa etc….) to even things up, but I’ve not heard anything on that so far.

It rankles because I didn’t want most of the possessions either. I said at the outset that I would like to split the possession equally when it came to moving time, if we couldn’t sell them, to avoid exactly this situation of one having to pay the other lots for second-hand goods. That didn’t fly.

He won’t communicate verbally with me on this at all (or in fact on anything much) and I suspect is running everything past his solicitor, the wally – it’s going to cost him a fortune.

I don’t have a sol, I don’t want one apart from to witness the settlement agreement I never wanted in the first place (!): there’s nothing in it for me, at all. I have no legal entitlement to anything apart from half the equity in the house (which thankfully I got in the end, after a bit of a tussle). Surely one of the few benefits of separating when not married is that you don’t need lawyers to get divorced and seek financial orders etc?! I’d much rather spend the money on a nice holiday to recover from all this arsing about or a new sofa!

He’s also expecting me to suck up the majority of the removal costs out of the old place because ‘he did his himself to save money’. I’ve pointed out that the only reason he could do that is because he elected to take very little with him, leaving mostly me alone to arrange for the emptying of the flat and moving all the stuff into temporary storage.

I’d like to throw this open to the MN jury to say whether I’m right to say, actually, no, buster: I’m not giving you the new value of the stuff you didn’t want, so you can have new stuff, and I get the old stuff you rejected! And… how the actual hell do I get this resolved? I just want to move on, and not have the threat of ‘owing’ him gazillions hanging over me.

I left him, btw, and I think this is part of the issue - in his mind, he isn't letting me 'get away' with anything thank you very much ;).....

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sapnupuas · 03/09/2020 15:09

If he'd already purchased some replacements, suggest he sells the old version and you go halves on the cash.

Stupid prick. £5k indeed!

ThirdTimeUnlucky · 03/09/2020 17:14

Absolutely no way give him any money! Tell him he's welcome to come and collect anything he wants, even call bluff on the bed as I bet he doesn't want it or could be arsed with collecting it.
New for old is for insurance claims, not situations like this. Even if you were able to sell anything, you'll get minimal value and have had all the hassle and inconvenience.

Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 17:51

He's not having the bed ... I love that bed :)
Anything else he can happily take if it means I won't be paying him thousands and frankly it'd make some space here for stuff that doesn't remind me of my old life. It's like I'm living in a replica of the old flat - bit sad, bit like one of those people who gets made redundant and keeps on pretending to go to work Grin

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MrsTerryPratchett · 03/09/2020 18:04

New for old is for insurance claims and for willful destruction or deprivation of something. If OP'd stolen all the things in the middle of the might or chainsawed them in half, I'd be #TeamDrEvil. But she did what he asked and he wants new furniture? Bollocks to that.

Cavagirl · 03/09/2020 18:13

@Saggyoldsofa

He's not having the bed ... I love that bed :) Anything else he can happily take if it means I won't be paying him thousands and frankly it'd make some space here for stuff that doesn't remind me of my old life. It's like I'm living in a replica of the old flat - bit sad, bit like one of those people who gets made redundant and keeps on pretending to go to work Grin
You won't be paying him anything!!! Genuinely if there's stuff you don't want I'd tell him to come & get it otherwise you're giving it to charity. If he balks at that and says it should be sold - well, he can come & get it & sell it himself then can't he. He seems to have so far successfully turned this conversation to one of cash changing hands when actually it's about your previously shared possessions which you've been storing for free to enable the flat sale which you've both benefitted from. If you want to carry on having the debate with him I think you need to keep emphasising it's about the stuff not money, and if (as is clearly the case, it's been 2 months, he hasn't missed any of it) he's not bothered then you'll just sort it out yourself. Otherwise come over and both sort out what he takes. Frankly I wouldn't bother having the debate & just ignore it, stop thinking about it. He clearly doesn't want any of it.
Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 18:49

@Cavagirl you are absolutely right. I appreciate your posts. Thanks.

I think emphasising the stuff is the way to go. Dr Evil can enjoy the fantastic spoils of the Hoover with missing attachments and the sciatic sofa. ;) or, I can hack it up with the chainsaw he also didn't want, and charge him for disposal ...

I have to say that I got a lovely array of quality power tools out of this though. He always treated them like they might kill him when he wasnt looking Grin

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Cavagirl · 03/09/2020 18:55

Grin despite him being a nobber about all this you sound really happy and are clearly well rid.
Enjoy your new freedom and rolling around in your lovely bed clutching the power tools

Cavagirl · 03/09/2020 18:56

strikethrough fail

Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 19:04

So much nicer going to bed with DeWalt than Dr Evil ;)

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itsureis · 03/09/2020 19:25

When I split from my ex partner, I took 3 beds !!!

2 were mine anyway and I wanted the "family bed" because it had sentimental value for me.
He kept 1 bed until he ordered a new one and then I had to pay the delivery fee for the bed 🙄 🔫
The "family bed" has been in the spare room, since as it's too big for my house and I'm now selling it 😂

You sound a very reasonable person OP as emotions get in the way esp at the beginning ... esp when it comes to beds !!

Let him spend all his money on silly solicitors and stick to your guns ;-)

Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 19:36

Thanks @itsureis... I hope you go and lie on the family bed from.time to time...

I imagine he had earmarked the riches I owed him for work to make his new place nicer. Furnished it was, but by the previous elderly occupant who died in situ leaving acres of artex and a lot of mahogany. . ;)

It's hard because if he had, then it is my kids as well who will lose out if I dont cough up. They need two nice homes where they can be comfy. But I really, really need to atop feeling responsible for everything. I wasnt.

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Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 19:37

I wasn't responsible, I mean. Bad punctuation....

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MrsTerryPratchett · 03/09/2020 19:45

Nowt wring with artex and mahogany. Didn't do me any harm Grin

Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 19:55

Or me. With addedd shagpile. I loved our blue/green synthetic carpet as a child. I used to lie on it and pretend to be a (supercharged) mermaid.

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Ariela · 03/09/2020 20:36

Why aren't you slapping him with an invoice for storage costs of the unwanted furniture?

Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 20:46

I am. And removals. Dont worry; I've found my backbone now....;) it took a long while. Even after I left him.

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tornadoalley · 03/09/2020 20:48

It just doesn't work that way. New for Old. What a pisstake!
You only need to give him the price of half the current resale value is. If its nothing, it is nothing. Tell him he can sell items and give you half of the value..

Tell him you are not an insurance company that replaces new. I can't believe he's trying that on, or the solicitor is. 5 minutes with a solicitor will tell you what he can and can't do.

Removal costs you pay as you ordered the removal. Everything you bought together using joint money you must repay the other person half its current value, not new price. Anything either of you paid for exclusively and have receipts or bank statements to prove, is yours exclusively.

ThePhoenixAndTheAshes · 03/09/2020 20:48

Make sure you respond to him in writing rather than in person or phone. Reiterate that he's welcome to come and take half the furniture and that you only took it to clear out the old flat so the sale could happen. If he chooses not to take any of the furniture by x date you'll consider the matter settled. If you're going to donate or sell anything say you'll be doing it once x date has past. If you decide to sell anything make a receipt for the sale and give him half.

AyeCorona1 · 03/09/2020 21:11

What a plum to spaff money on a lawyer when we could have sorted it out amicably, in one afternoon at the pub, leaving money to be spent on something actually worthwhile.

Spaff. Lol. I love that word.

You're not married, there is no legal financial obligation on either of you (I think, other than the house which has been sorted). Half of the second hand value, if that.

Onwards and upwards OP!

Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 21:18

Thanks all.

Your posts have meant a lot to me.
My friends are love and very supportive but nothing like strength in numbers.

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Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 21:19

Lovely...

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ulanbatorismynextstop · 04/09/2020 02:47

What an arsehole. Sorry but you really need proper legal advice.

ulanbatorismynextstop · 04/09/2020 02:48

Please make sure he gets far less than the original grand you offered, prick.

pguppgdown · 04/09/2020 04:18

tell him to GTF. If he wants the old stuff, he can collect. Give him nish.

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