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Possessions after separation - opinions please!

74 replies

Saggyoldsofa · 02/09/2020 15:29

NC for this post, in case anyone recognises me from description ...

Split with long term partner (15+ years, unmarried) 18 months or so ago, and am having very un-fun shenanigans over the financial shakedown. For various reasons we didn’t actually manage to sell our very large, old, flat till this summer. At that point, he bought a new flat, and I did the same. His came furnished as the previous owner was BTL investor and the vendor wanted it that way. We have our three children for exactly equal portions of the week.

When it came to time to sell old place, he said he wanted/ could take very few of the possessions & furniture. Lots of our stuff was at the end of its life – think 13 year old sofa and 9-year-old bed although some of the appliances were newer. I did want the bed and have offered to allow £1,000 against that even though it is fairly old and has seen 3 co-sleeping kids through (!) because I said I wanted it, and that seemed fair to me.

So, I had to take the majority of stuff with me, to clear the old place out to enable the rather rushed sale. We had exactly one week’s notice of simultaneous exchange and completion date, and so selling unwanted stuff online wasn’t really an option. I have the lion’s share of the guff in my new (smaller) flat now, and he is having to buy new things for his place.

His sol has apparently advised him to cost all our joint possessions on a new-for-old basis, and ask me to, essentially, settle up with him on that basis. Initially he suggested that this meant that I should pay him slightly over £5,000.

I think this is mad, and have offered for him to come and take half the things he says he will have to re-purchase (like sofa etc….) to even things up, but I’ve not heard anything on that so far.

It rankles because I didn’t want most of the possessions either. I said at the outset that I would like to split the possession equally when it came to moving time, if we couldn’t sell them, to avoid exactly this situation of one having to pay the other lots for second-hand goods. That didn’t fly.

He won’t communicate verbally with me on this at all (or in fact on anything much) and I suspect is running everything past his solicitor, the wally – it’s going to cost him a fortune.

I don’t have a sol, I don’t want one apart from to witness the settlement agreement I never wanted in the first place (!): there’s nothing in it for me, at all. I have no legal entitlement to anything apart from half the equity in the house (which thankfully I got in the end, after a bit of a tussle). Surely one of the few benefits of separating when not married is that you don’t need lawyers to get divorced and seek financial orders etc?! I’d much rather spend the money on a nice holiday to recover from all this arsing about or a new sofa!

He’s also expecting me to suck up the majority of the removal costs out of the old place because ‘he did his himself to save money’. I’ve pointed out that the only reason he could do that is because he elected to take very little with him, leaving mostly me alone to arrange for the emptying of the flat and moving all the stuff into temporary storage.

I’d like to throw this open to the MN jury to say whether I’m right to say, actually, no, buster: I’m not giving you the new value of the stuff you didn’t want, so you can have new stuff, and I get the old stuff you rejected! And… how the actual hell do I get this resolved? I just want to move on, and not have the threat of ‘owing’ him gazillions hanging over me.

I left him, btw, and I think this is part of the issue - in his mind, he isn't letting me 'get away' with anything thank you very much ;).....

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onlyk · 02/09/2020 19:28

Don’t offer him any money, if there is anything he actually wants let him have it.

If he really pushes it say you’re considering charging him storage charges “for his half” after all as you pointed he refused to store it at his new flat and left it to you to sort out. That’s if you want to be just as bloody minded 😁.

filka · 02/09/2020 19:40

9 year old beds are given away on Freegle, you can't even give them to charity as they won't take the mattress. The whole lot is worth 50% of the resale value...approximately zero. Give him a time limit to collect anything he wants to keep and Freegle anything else that you don't want.

Saggyoldsofa · 02/09/2020 19:49

You know @MrsTerryPratchett, tthat would be my relationship with him. Wouldn'nt it be great to have that kind of to and fro with yr ex....?

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Thisisnotnormal69 · 02/09/2020 19:53

What a CF!

Saggyoldsofa · 02/09/2020 20:07

ideal relationship

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WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo · 02/09/2020 20:37

Second hand furniture is worth nothing. Moving it and disposing of it costs more than its worth. Just ignore all of it, if he wants to waste money on lawyers let him. Silly little man.

Saggyoldsofa · 02/09/2020 20:54

All this I know... but it's amazing how you can entertain this nonsense when it's been your life for so long....

Will update when my email to him has been churned through the legal mangle and spat out on the other side....
What a plum to spaff money on a lawyer when we could have sorted it out amicably, in one afternoon at the pub, leaving money to be spent on something actually worthwhile.

One blessing is that he spends a large proportion of his disposable income on the kids and doesn't have one of those troublesome mumsnet hobbies like skydiving, carbon-fibre bike racing, or antarctic exploration.... Grin

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Originallymeonly · 02/09/2020 23:06

My exhusband wanted me to pay him half of the amount the contents of the house were insured for as part of the conditions of the divorce, my barrister asked me to give ages and original selling price of the big bits of furniture then advised that the children's furniture stayed in their primary residence at no cost to me, and I should offer the sofas, bed, table etc and he could pay me. His solicitor was not impressed, he did not take any furniture and he was arrested for taking items not listed in the settlement (although not charged in the end) if he wants cash in lieu of items I'd offer the items unless they were gifts to you, in which case he can GTF.

Stannisbaratheonsboxofmatches · 02/09/2020 23:09

Pah! New for old indeed.

Tell him to get stuffed.

No wonder you haven’t heard back from your perfectly reasonable suggestion that he take half the stuff. He thought he was onto a good thing!

MrsTerryPratchett · 02/09/2020 23:10

So update OP, I'm interested!

slipperywhensparticus · 02/09/2020 23:17

Surely you both paid for them originally why should you pay twice

Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 08:26

It'll be a while till I hear anything from him because it will be going to his sol for her sacred advice :) but I will post again when he has replied.

Plonker!

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Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 09:39

There's news .... two clipped lines in an email.

He's already bought most of what he needs, apparently, and it's a bit late to be discussing this now 2 months after the move, isn't it?!

So what. Better late than never, eh?! And I know he hasn't bought some of the large items I've offered for him to collect :)

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growinggreyer · 03/09/2020 10:17

Agree with him, 'thanks for being so reasonable, I agree, it is a bit late to be discussing furniture that you left behind when you moved out.' Then never discuss it again. Grin

Sakurami · 03/09/2020 10:19

Ignore him op. Tell him to pick half the stuff up or shut up. And don't pay him a penny for the bed.

My friend has just moved house and she struggled to give away her nice bed and other furniture.

Cavagirl · 03/09/2020 10:33

OP what's the ideal outcome for you here? You keep the stuff you've got and give him nothing? So you don't actually need anything from him, other than for him to go away?
If so - what @growinggreyer said.
It takes two people to argue about something.

Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 11:14

I just want a fair outcome. I.e., for him to take some of the stuff. I don't want to be left with the sense that I've taken 'more than my fair share'.... because that doesn't feel right, and also because he could use it as a stick to beat me with....

He won't ever go away because he's the kids' dad. Sadly! But I do take your point entirely.

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cheerup · 03/09/2020 11:45

Tell him to f.o. I suspect my ex is going to come after me with a similar demand despite the fact I paid off a load of his debt when we met and put all the deposit down on the house and paid for the renovations. Unfortunately we are married and I failed to protect my money. He had an affair and ruined our marriage so I intend to be as intransigent as possible. Why should me and the kids pay for his mistake.

EL8888 · 03/09/2020 12:55

He sounds like my ex. Totally surprising you and him aren’t together, and divorced my ex. Was he always this petty and unreasonable?

Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 13:36

@EL8888 yes to the pettiness and always very hard to extract any kind of compromise from. On anything. Prone to digging heels in.

I'm sorry others have had this experience!

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Cavagirl · 03/09/2020 13:39

@Saggyoldsofa

I just want a fair outcome. I.e., for him to take some of the stuff. I don't want to be left with the sense that I've taken 'more than my fair share'.... because that doesn't feel right, and also because he could use it as a stick to beat me with....

He won't ever go away because he's the kids' dad. Sadly! But I do take your point entirely.

Your desire to be fair is laudable but are you sure it's not guilt in disguise? He bought a new place that came furnished You cleared out the entire flat in the space of a week, sorting out all the furniture, so the sale could happen Both of those things have suited him nicely. He didn't worry about fairness for you then did he? Now you feel like you still owe him more to make it "fair" because you kept some very old furniture that at some point in the distant past you bought together, that he didn't want? Come on OP. I think you're more than even. Don't engage with any of this nonsense anymore, either with his ridiculous solicitor or in your own head.
MrsTerryPratchett · 03/09/2020 14:26

The problem is when you're trying to be fair and the other person isn't, you end up paying more than you should (£1000 bed anyone?).

If you want to be fair, really do your homework on what second hand furniture costs, what you actually wanted (bed not sofa) and itemise it. It won't be much.

Plussizejumpsuit · 03/09/2020 14:34

So he left you to clear out most of your joint possessions and now wants you to pay for the privilege? Fuck that.

He sounds like a petulant child.

Saggyoldsofa · 03/09/2020 14:40

You are all of course correct! I am a tit, I should just be more hard-nosed.

But at least I left him :) Petulance is so very unattractive.

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HappenedXo · 03/09/2020 14:48

That’s ridiculous! Tell him if he doesn’t want it you’ll get a house clearance firm to collect it & give him half any proceeds (or ask for half the fee if you have to pay them to take it away). No way should you be paying £5k! I very much doubt he’d bring a small claims court action.