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Emotional affairs, crap behaviour - advice pls

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twatinaflatcap · 15/08/2020 20:00

Hi everyone. I need some advice and I don't want it sugar coated, so I to turn to you lot to give me perspective. This is going to be long! Thanks to anyone who gets to the end!

Married for 11 years, together 14. When we first got together he showered me with love, praise and presents and one day it all just stopped. From that moment onward I didn't receive a Birthday/Xmas or other present from him.

He had an emotional affair whilst we were engaged and against my better judgment we married, I just didn't want to let my parents down who had paid a lot of money. Since, he has 'borrowed' a lot of money without my knowledge and not apologised or paid it back. Lies repeatedly about tiny things that make no sense and is believed by others to be a wonderful guy.

He retrained several years ago into a stressful job and has had several emotional or at least inappropriate relationships, msgs etc with women he works with (who knows he's married). He is aware they are wrong because he deletes them from his phone after every exchange, however he seems to forget to delete them from our joint tabletHmm

The worst msgs were to a female colleague who made it clear they were not interested. He told her that were in a marriage of sorts and only here for the kids. The usual script. She makes his world light up and he's just so grateful he met her etc etc! He continued to msg her until she blocked him. The msgs he sent were awful and I knew nothing of these feelings. He admitted he believed he was in love with her, despite the fact he met her only 3 times, she wasn't interested and let's just move on!

After seeing these msgs I asked to see his phone. On other msging accounts he had conversations with colleagues about his feelings for this female colleague and his feelings regarding our marriage. Again I knew nothing about these feelings.

Long and short, he begged forgiveness etc and I allowed him to stay for the sake of the kids (2 disabled children) as long as he got counselling and arranged couples counselling for us. He did counselling himself but didn't arrange counselling for us.

Since then, which was 8 months ago, I've found msgs from two other female colleagues and to a male colleague laughing about how popular he is! In msgs to one, he is talking about taking drugs and having sex with them. In discussion with his male colleague who has also slept with her, he asked if she is likely to be discrete and understand it could only be a one time thing, because then it would be something he would have to think about!

I again told him that he has 6 months to arrange counselling for us and to again go back to counselling himself. If this isn't in place by then I'm divorcing him for unreasonable behaviour. He hasn't done this yet. I know he won't bother, he's relying on me to be the bad guy, as per usual.

During this time he has continued to profess his love for me and doesn't want to leave. But actions speak louder than words in my opinion.
I believe and have told him so, that he is here because he cannot afford to leave (have his own place and afford maintenance etc) and he's holding me hostage because of it. If this other work colleague had been interested he would have left without a second thought. I firmly believe that.

Also, he plays a violent game on the pc when our young children are awake. I don't believe it's appropriate. I do fully appreciate it is the way he relaxes when feeling stressed, but made it clear it is not to be played while they are awake and can walk in on him playing it. He agreed to this, but continues to do so. Twice today he has had to be reminded to wait till they are in bed. I have suggested he finds another hobby, even one outside the home he can go to whenever he wished too, to destress. I'm not in any way saying no to hobbies and feel like he does it to deliberately piss me off, regardless of how inappropriate it is for the kids.

He has 3 months left to organise counselling as per our agreement, I know he won't, yet will cry and beg for me to give him another chance - again.

He has a stressful job where he sees some upsetting situations and says all this behaviour is down to depression, and thinks he's had a breakdown.

I don't deny he struggles and have valid reasons too, but don't believe I should have to accept such shit behaviour. I also feel that he should look to moving into another area of work if he cannot cope with the demands of his current job, but he won't.

So ladies, what advice do you have for me?

OP posts:
twatinaflatcap · 19/08/2020 19:16

Thank you everyone.
I knew I wasn't wrong, everyone else in real life can't see through his persona and think I'm so lucky! I had just accepted it was all I was worth.

More shit has come out since, and I have two separate career ending msgs saved. What a fool he is. I'm the one with the power now and their are consequences to poor behaviour.

OP posts:
HollowTalk · 19/08/2020 19:23

He sounds horrific. I'm glad you're separating. The children might find the change tough at first but I'm afraid they were going to face it at some point. Better he gets out now rather than when he's in the middle of an affair.

Vodkacranberryplease · 19/08/2020 19:40

@twatinaflatcap More shit has come out since, and I have two separate career ending msgs saved. What a fool he is. I'm the one with the power now and their are consequences to poor behaviour.

You have no idea how it gladdens my heart to see this. Words so rarely seen yet desperately needed on MN.

OK so you now draw up your list of what you want. How much settlement, who moves, how much contact with the DC, how he contacts you (not at all preferably, otherwise through one specific phone by messages). Sneaky pricks like this hide money - dont forget to find his pension! Also if he has spent even a PENNY on OW it comes out out of his half.

Also an agreement re child maintenance and custody. School holidays, pickups, sick days & dentists. Who pays for uniforms & school trips & uni fees.

The divorce is on grounds on unreasonable behaviour obviously. If he hasnt been shagging these workmates Im Dolly Parton (& trust me Im not). How stupid does he think you are ffs?

Fuck him off & breathe a sigh of relief. You never have to watch his crocodile tears again (Im intrigued - does he cry actual tears? Thats quite a talent. Or does he just cry without tears?). What a scummy man as the Arctic Monkeys would say. An absolute piece of shit.

Vodkacranberryplease · 19/08/2020 19:46

Oh and you tell the children togerher & HE has to tell them, & has to tell them (in child friendly terms) why. As in Daddy was very mean to Mummy & made her sad. And because daddy cant stop being mean he has to move out so he can still be daddy, but not make mummy sad. So many women take the blame to protect the children - then the kids feel like they have a crap mum & that is far far worse than the truth, given that they are living with mum.

Plus hes a manipulative cunt & will tell them all kinds of shit about how sad he is that m,ummy doesnt love him any more & he tried really hard nit to leave but mummy made him. So nip that one in the bud. He might fool his stupid colleagues but he shouldsnt be allowed to fool his own children.

RainbowBrite1 · 19/08/2020 19:51

Good for you OP! I'm sure you'll be much better off without him.

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