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Ending a relationship that is just not good enough but not awful

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Sparklyboots · 29/07/2020 17:40

I have been in a relationship with DP for 12 years and we have two children, 9 and 7.

Things have been crap for years, and I have gone in and out of thinking I should end it except my circumstances are tricky (we are in London in a HA place) and also I just feel somehow that I should stay with him, because all the things I really don't like I already knew about and had children with him. He hardly earns but doesn't like doing childcare (to be fair, I didn't know he'd be so shit with childcare because just assumed he would accept he had to do some with me doing all the earning). He is an arse to live with, huffy, sometimes won't speak to me for days because I haven't done enough cleaning, he is not great with the kids and very critical of me and DS9. I think he is pathologically self interested, he can't hear anything except in how it relates to himself. So hyperthetically if I said 'It would be nice to have more space on the floor' he'd take that as meaning I was having a go about him not making enough space or something. It's beyond boring and I can no longer be arsed to explain my good intentions, he just thinks I am a harpy out to attack him. I had a miscarriage last year and he was awful, he admitted he thought I was trying to manipulate him by crying (he couldn't imagine my crying was not about him, iyswim). We are on completely different wavelengths, I am booky with PG degrees and he left school with no qualifications.

All this is the bed that I made. I didn't expect him to earn, I didn't have a conversation about childcare, he was criticising me on our first date, he was always behaving like I was just a convenience rather than something he valued and I accepted it. We have had some awful rows. If I want anything out of the relationship I know I have to engage in making it happen, so over the years he has accepted doing more childcare and tried to earn more money. He has gone to counselling and some of his most glacial huffs have become less and less frequent.

But I just can't be bothered any more. Every tiny interaction needs such vigilance and I am exhausted and bored of it all. However I feel massive guilt about ending it, like I should stay and work at it. And when I say that some of the work would be getting him more engaged in stuff so he changes some of his behaviours and some of the work would be for example accepting that we are never going to have a great conversation about something I am interested in and he will always be late and I should organise my life to minimise the impact of that on me.

It just takes so much out of me to get just basic level respect and being treated like an equal, He's not an evil man, he is just basically uninterested in me (he has literally never asked about previous boyfriends or my life before I moved toLondon, for example - he is just not interested. If I do talk about this stuff it's all one way until I stop talking). He doesn't want to be horrible but he also doesn't want to put in any effort. I think with effort we MIGHT make it all work (but the different wavelengths stuff is significant) but it will only be me doing it and if I don't we will just run on inertia barely speaking until we die. I feel humiliated that he sees so little value in me that if I want the relationship I basically have to do my bit and his bit.

Is it okay to end a relationship and cause so much turmoil for the children and him (he will take it very badly). Or should I stay and make it work or at least not trash it given than I don't really have the capacity or inclination to make it work any more?

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Clovertoast · 29/07/2020 17:43

All of that is reason enough. It sounds exhausting.
But you dont need a reason. If you've had enough you can end it. You don't need permission

rumred · 29/07/2020 17:44

It sounds soul destroying op, I think you are under playing how shit a partner he is.

You have every right to end it and start enjoying your life. Plus your children can only benefit from not living with such an unpleasant, misogynistic git

Sparklyboots · 29/07/2020 17:51

Well that is it, Clovertoast I feel like I need permission. I feel responsible for the shitness. He told me who he was, and I thought if I was just wonderful enough he would change. Anyone apart from a massive optimist could see he would be shit with the kids. I thought he would be gentle but he just struggles to put down healthy boundaries and takes out the stress and overwhelm on them (mainly DS). Actually I think I feel okay about saying I could do it for DS and I know he'd be a million times better (we stayed with my mum for lockdown and DS blossomed - I only came back for work).

I know the theory about me enjoying my life but feel somehow like I owe him and the kids to make it work, because my life isn't just about me really. Do you know what I mean?

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Clovertoast · 29/07/2020 18:01

Yes I understand more then you can imagine. I ended a 25 year relationship with 3 kids. Ultimately because it was what I wanted. He didn't make me happy I didnt love him, he didn't work, he smoked weed and yet like you I went ahead and forged a life. A life I hated. And I ended up resentful and bitter. So I ended it.
He was devastated and the guilt was horrendous. I would never ever go back though.
My kids will move on I need to make my own life, there was no way I was seeing my days out with him.
Do it OP and dont look back.

Toomboom · 29/07/2020 18:10

I think sometimes it is harder leaving a relationship when this nothing fundamentally wrong. If he was an abuser or there was an affair it somehow feels justified.

I was with my ex for 10 yrs, and though there was nothing fundamentally wrong, I just got to a point when I actually didn't even like him. We never even rowed, we just avoided each other in the house. I kept going for years hoping it would get better, but it never did. It really hit me one day when I turned the corner to go to my house and his car was in the drive. I thought God, he is home early and my stomach plummeted. That was it for me, I ended it the next day. It was the best thing I did. My son has coped really well, he is much happier having a happier mum.

Knittedfairies · 29/07/2020 18:19

If nothing else your son deserves the peace he would get if you left this relationship.

hopingtobedally · 29/07/2020 18:25

Following with interest

Love51 · 29/07/2020 18:28

You don't owe him the rest of your life.
Yeah he'll take it badly for a few months, doesn't mean you should have 40-50 years more of his shite.

Cooltalkin · 29/07/2020 18:34

You have one life
Don’t waste anymore of it
Make plans and leave .. if you are not there already you will end up hating him . YouR childten will adapt , he will get over It and you have a chance of being happy and free

Nighttown · 29/07/2020 18:37

Oh, OP. You need to give yourself permission. Would it help if I said ‘That’s not ‘not awful’, that’s just straightforwardly awful.’

RandomMess · 29/07/2020 18:37

I'd rather be single than put up with all that additional exhausting crap from a partner.

My marriage has some big downs but geez it sounds a miserable existence for the last decade 😳

Aquamarine1029 · 29/07/2020 18:37

Fuck me, what an absolutely horrible way to live. The only thing you will achieve by staying with him is the crushing regret of a life wasted.

Sparklyboots · 29/07/2020 18:58

Oh I so thought I would be told to give my head a wobble and get on with it. I feel a bit teary to feel supported and like it is a reasonable thing to end a relationship just because I want to (although obviously if my daughter was talking this way.... god I would be helping her pack). Or my girlfriends. And yes to the pp who has pointed out my son deserves the peace.

I have already raised it with him but in terms of I don't want to live here rather than I don't want to be with you, and sort of hung it on our domestic incompatibility. But the real truth is I just don't want him as my partner and I certainly don't want to live with him.

DD7 will be very sad but I am okay with that because I feel I can contain her sadness. It's all our mutuals and families I don't want to face. And him. I am also feeling so trapped by my own desire to prove I am not the bad guy, like the narrative he set for me has come true or something. Well I spose he can comfort himself telling himself and everyone else it is true.

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RandomMess · 29/07/2020 19:02

Hold onto the fact you don't want either DC to emulate the relationship when they are adults it's so dysfunctional.

Thanks
MrJollyLivesNextDoor · 29/07/2020 19:50

I felt depressed for you reading your post

Omg do not waste your life like this! Be with someone who supports you, cherishes you etc or just be on your own without the monumental baggage he brings

I guarantee you will be massively relieved as soon as you do it!

You deserve so much better, so does your DS

You can do this

Sparklyboots · 30/07/2020 20:39

I told a mutual friend, the mum of one if his childhood friends who is like a 3rd granny to my kids. I mean, I have said to some of my friends about my feelings over the last few months, but the ones I have relationship-woever talks with, and not in a sort of "I'm doing this" way. Iyswim. Anyway honorary granny was great, so supportive. .. I thought she would be concerned for him and questioning my reasoning but she was just fully supportive and said she saw it coming and she hepped me think about practical stuff like how the fuck to get housing here in central London. It was such a relief

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Sakurami · 31/07/2020 08:38

Sounds like a pretty awful relationship to me. A man who is very selfish and emotionally detached who doesn't earn or clean or do childcare or talk who you have to walk on eggshells around in case he takes thing the wrong way?

Please leave him, for your sake and for your children's sake!

OxenoftheSun · 31/07/2020 08:49

But the real truth is I just don't want him as my partner and I certainly don't want to live with him.

It's important that you said that so clearly.

Honestly, OP, hold to this thought. You can't possibly really think you should stay with someone because you sort of knew what he was like before your relationship got serious, or because your families/friends think you should stay. Prioritise yourself, ignore anyone who feels you should keep the peace and continue to be desperately and unnecessarily unhappy, and, once you're out, as a priority do the Freedom Programme so that you never sleepwalk into this kind of situation again.

Good luck.

Anotherfreshstart · 31/07/2020 08:53

You should read the book ‘Too Good to Leave, Too Bad to Stay.’ If you have any niggling doubts, it’ll wipe them out. It makes things very clear. It did for me but it took me a while to get the courage to listen to what was screaming inside.

Palavah · 31/07/2020 09:00

Hold onto the fact you don't want either DC to emulate the relationship when they are adults it's so dysfunctional.

It does sound pretty awful, tbh.

terracottapot · 31/07/2020 09:11

I know the theory about me enjoying my life but feel somehow like I owe him and the kids to make it work, because my life isn't just about me really

At the moment, it is all one-sided. You are trying to make things work with absolutely no input from him whatsoever. No matter what you do or what you try, he is never going to change.

You may say it's not all be about you, but honestly, do you really want to martyr yourself in this way? You say you know what he was like when you got together. Yes, perhaps you did, but that doesn't mean that you have to suffer the consequences of that decision for the rest of your life. It doesn't mean that you can't change your mind.

Making yourself unhappy is not going to make others happy, is it?

Zaphodsotherhead · 31/07/2020 09:48

It sounds as though you are very much in the 'I've made my bed, I have to lie in it' frame of mind. You knew who he was but you went ahead with him anyway.

But you don't have to carry on punishing yourself. Just because you made a decision 12 years ago doesn't mean you have to continue to stand by it! Conditions under which the decision was made have changed (you now have children you are responsible for). Don't waste time beating yourself up about how you should have known how awful he would be - you aren't a crystal ball reader. He may have stepped up on becoming a father. He SHOULD have stepped up. He chose not to.

Your children are shortly going to become teenagers. This brings a whole lot of challenges to a relationship; you basically get two adults in training whose behaviour can be 'difficult' to say the least. How do you think your DH will respond to that? How will he treat your children when their behaviour becomes less than optimal?

Don't put them through that, or yourself through another day of it. Imagine you'd been told you've only got one year left to live. Is this how you'd want to spend it?

Sparklyboots · 31/07/2020 10:06

You are all right and thank you for the reading recommendation

I am looking for flats and have enlisted some stellar help from some brilliant friends (including helping me with a deposit and rent up front). Even if I only did it for DS that would be enough, he deserves a peaceful and loving home. So does DD of course but DP is nicer to her so it's not so stressful for her (although I worry about the long term consequences of such unequal treatment, even if it's in her favour, on her). I have got appointment with local Councillor about local housing options and I have been looking on zoopla for private options.

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MrsR87 · 31/07/2020 10:13

To me, that sounds awful. I know it’s not a straight forward case of he’s done something wrong as in abuse but he’s also not doing anything right. I would feel trapped/stifled in a relationship like that. The thing I value about my own marriage is the mutual respect we have for one another. We both work full time and so we both do an equal share of work in the house. In truth, I’m currently pregnant and my husband is doing more than me as he keeps telling me off for overdoing it!

LonnyVonnyWilsonFrickett · 31/07/2020 10:18

I feel responsible for the shitness. He told me who he was, and I thought if I was just wonderful enough he would change.

Let's just examine this for a minute.

Fair enough that happened.

You made a mistake, you believed you could change him. That was wrong, it was a mistake.

So what are you going to do now? Are you going to keep making the same endless mistake for every single day of your sodding life? Is that what you'd tell your daughter to do? Definition of stupid: doing the same thing and expecting a different result. You're too smart for that OP.

Own it. Fix it. Move on. You can even still feel responsible if you like (I'll allow it Smile) but now it's time to make that change. It will be the best thing you ever did, I promise.